Luis Tiant or Jack Morris in the HOF?

[NOMAR22]

Who would you vote for the HOF if you had the choice between Luis Tiant or Jack Morris


Wlp. W L GS CG SHO IP H BB SO ERA
.571 229 172 484 187 49 3486 3,075 1104 2416 3.30 19 YRS L.TIANT

577 254 186 527 175 28 3824 3567 1390 2478 3.90 18 YRS Jack Morris

Tiant won 20 games 4 times,Morris 3 times,15 or more games won Tiant-6 ,Morris 12,lost more than 14 games Tiant-2,Morris-4 times,more than 15 CG games-Tiant-5, Morris-4,more than 250 IP-Tiant-5,Morris-6,More than 250 SO-Tiant-3, Morris-3,more than 175 SO-Tiant-4, Morris-4,Era under 2.00 Tiant-2,Morris-0, Era under 2.50-Tiant-2,Morris-0,ERA UNDER-3.00 -Tiant-4,Morris-0 ,Losing seasons more than 15 Decisions-Tiant-2,Morris-3.

Titles won Tiant-2 ERA tiitles,3 Shutout tittles,1 lost tittle,Walk title,So per 9 -1, Adjusted ERA 2.

Morris-wins-2,So-1,IP-1,WALK 2,Sho-1,Cg-1,GS-2,wildpitches-6

[RuthMayBond]

I'd give Tiant the edge

[iPod]

Definitely Tiant.

[caribeño]

Tiant

Luis , no doubt : He is in the same brackett as Catfish and some other pitchers of that era .

[RuthMayBond]

Luis , no doubt : He is in the same brackett as Catfish and some other pitchers of that era .

He's actually ahead of Catfish

[Tigerfan1974]

I say it is a push.

Personally, I pick Morris of course.

Tiant in the same bracket as Hunter???

[KCGHOST]

El Tiante by a wide margin.

[dgarza]

I actually have Jack Morris ahead of him by a good margin. And now that I look at it, I have Vida Blue just ahead of Tiant.

[Old Mike]

I would put both Tiant and Morris in if I was in authority to do so. Vida Blue doesn't do that much for me. Maybe, I think, like Gooden - and this is just my perception and should not be considered fact - he just seemed to squander the opportunity to have accomplished so much more.

[RuthMayBond]

Tiant in the same bracket as Hunter???

Let's see
Hunter: 104 ERA+, 3449 IP, 5x in top10 K/BB, 11 adjusted pitcher runs above average, 206 Win Shares, 112% of average run support
Tiant: 114 ERA+, 3486 IP, 8x in top10 K/BB, 197 adjusted pitcher runs above average, 256 Win Shares, 105% of average run support

Maybe it is a laugh that Hunter is in the same bracket as Tiant?

[Buzzaldrin]

Tiant not only gets the edge in pitching, he also has a lot more of an edge in character, eccentricity, and popularity.

[Tigerfan1974]

Hunter: 104 ERA+, 3449 IP, 5x in top10 K/BB, 11 adjusted pitcher runs above average, 206 Win Shares, 112% of average run support
Tiant: 114 ERA+, 3486 IP, 8x in top10 K/BB, 197 adjusted pitcher runs above average, 256 Win Shares, 105% of average run support

As you know, that is just so much mumbo-jumbo to me.
Sorry!

[RuthMayBond]

As you know, that is just so much mumbo-jumbo to me.
Sorry!

I think you can understand ERA compared with league averages, adjusted for park factors.
I'm pretty sure you understand innings pitched
I think you can understand the ratio of strikeouts to walks, and the best 10 each year of those pitchers

[bigtrain]

Tiant not only gets the edge in pitching, he also has a lot more of an edge in character, eccentricity, and popularity.

The one HUGE advantage Morris has over Tiant is game 7 of the 1991 World Series, arguably the greatest pitching performance ever in a World Series.

[RuthMayBond]

The one HUGE advantage Morris has over Tiant is game 7 of the 1991 World Series, arguably the greatest pitching performance ever in a World Series.

Not bad, although Mathewson basically did it THREE STRAIGHT times