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Jeff Kent (New Poll in Light of Retirement)

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  • Jeff Kent (New Poll in Light of Retirement)

    Kent's career numbers:

    .290/.356/.500, 123 OPS+, 1320 R, 2461 H, 377 HR, 1518 RBI

    Gray Ink: 71
    HoF Standards: 50.9
    HoF Monitor: 122.5

    As a second baseman:

    .292/.357/.509, 1212 R, 2215 H, 508 2B, 43 3B, 351 HR, 1389 RBI

    Awards/Honors:

    5X All-Star
    4X Silver Slugger
    1X NL MVP

    So, what do you think - is the newly retired Jeff Kent a Hall of Famer?
    95
    Yes
    71.58%
    68
    No
    14.74%
    14
    Maybe
    13.68%
    13

  • #2
    Given the fact that Ryne Sandberg didn't get in on the first ballot and that many of the talking heads on the news stations have referred to Roberto Alomar as someone who has an uphill battle, Jeff Kent will probably really struggle and might take a full 15 years to get in if at all. The BBWAA doesn't seem to like middle infielders with careers like Kent's.

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    • #3
      I believe that he is. A 2nd baseman with his offensive production should get in IMO.

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      • #4
        I think itll go down similar to Ryno.. He might be on the ballot for a few years but i dont think he waits too long.. It would have been nice to see him hang on for 400 homers.. That would have sealed the deal i think..

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        • #5
          All-time second baseman HR King and a 123 OPS+ with more than 1500 RBI. I hate his personality, but he should be in. His defence is not good, but his bat is just too good as a 2B.

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          • #6
            Top OPS+

            All players 950+ G at 2B, 6500+ PA, 105 OPS+
            Code:
              Cnt Player             OPS+  RC   OBP   SLG   RBI   PA  From  To
            +----+------------------+----+----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+----+
                1 Rogers Hornsby*     175 2045  .434  .577 1584  9475 1915 1937 
                2 Nap Lajoie*         150 1690  .380  .467 1599 10460 1896 1916 
                3 Eddie Collins*      141 1804  .424  .429 1300 12037 1906 1930 
                4 Joe Morgan*         132 1804  .392  .427 1133 11329 1963 1984 
                5 Rod Carew*          131 1595  .393  .429 1015 10550 1967 1985 
                6 Larry Doyle         126  936  .357  .408  793  7382 1907 1920 
                7 Bobby Grich         125 1127  .371  .424  864  8220 1970 1986 
                8 Charlie Gehringer*  124 1715  .404  .480 1427 10237 1924 1942 
                9 Jeff Kent           123 1497  .356  .500 1518  9537 1992 2008 
               10 Tony Lazzeri*       121 1111  .380  .467 1191  7303 1926 1939 
               11 Joe Gordon*         120  936  .357  .466  975  6536 1938 1950 
               12 Cupid Childs        119  909  .416  .389  743  6758 1888 1901 
               13 Roberto Alomar      116 1575  .371  .443 1134 10400 1988 2004 
               14 Lou Whitaker        116 1395  .363  .426 1084  9967 1977 1995 
               15 Bobby Doerr*        115 1169  .362  .461 1247  8028 1937 1951 
               16 Ryne Sandberg*      114 1342  .344  .452 1061  9282 1981 1997 
               17 Billy Herman*       112 1151  .367  .407  839  8641 1931 1947 
               18 Del Pratt           112  926  .345  .403  970  7609 1912 1924 
               19 Craig Biggio        111 1831  .363  .433 1175 12503 1988 2007 
               20 Frankie Frisch*     111 1460  .369  .432 1244 10100 1919 1937 
               21 Dick McAuliffe      109  901  .343  .403  697  7162 1960 1975 
               22 Buddy Myer          108 1099  .389  .406  850  8187 1925 1941 
               23 Miller Huggins*     107  661  .382  .314  318  6800 1904 1916 
               24 Chuck Knoblauch     106 1072  .378  .406  615  7385 1991 2002 
               25 Davey Lopes         106  956  .349  .388  614  7340 1972 1987 
               26 Johnny Evers*       106  726  .356  .334  538  7210 1902 1929 
               27 Bid McPhee*         106 1081  .355  .372 1067  9409 1882 1899
            Last edited by Freakshow; 01-21-2009, 12:29 PM.
            Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

            Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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            • #7
              IMO Jeff Kent should be a first ballot Hall-of-famer but realistically I think it will take him several years to get in, maybe as many as 5 years - but he deserves better.

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              • #8
                I think Kent should go in, and I think he will eventually go in. Like many here, I doubt he'll be a 1st ballot selection, but he might surprise.

                I'm following the commentary surrounding his retirement to see if BBWAA members view Kent as a HOFer. If the writers voice sentiments that Kent is a HOFer now, that's a good sign. If they are lukewarm now, Kent will have a wait.

                I doubt he'll be one-and-done, but Lou Whitaker and Bobby Grich both experienced that unjust fate. Slugging second basemen have, as a group, seemed to underachieve with the BBWAA voters; it's as if they are penalized for hitting for power. In the end, I believe Kent's status as the HR leader at his position will keep him on the ballot, and will, IMO, ultimately push him over the top.
                "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

                NL President Ford Frick, 1947

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                • #9
                  He'll have to wait, but he's a Hall of Famer, no doubt.
                  2nd member of the Peter Moylan Fan Club

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                  • #10
                    I voted maybe. He really isn't any better than Grich or Whitaker.
                    Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball

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                    • #11
                      When you say Kent is a lock HOF'er (for those that did) is it because his numbers are overwhelming......or because they are overwhelming for a second baseman?

                      We just saw a player that was elected in Jim Rice with very very similar numbers to Kent. As you know it took Rice forever to get in. Does someone get in quicker because of the position he played or because of the numbers he puts up despite he is a liability at his position.

                      I think Kent gets in but only because he stood at 2nd base, not because he excelled at playing 2nd. If he played first base or right field would he still be a lock? In other words did he out hit his liability at second base.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KCGHOST View Post
                        I voted maybe. He really isn't any better than Grich or Whitaker.
                        I think both of them should be in too, especially Grich.

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                        • #13
                          With all due respect to Grich and Whitaker, Kent brings lots of HRs and lots of RBI's. And the HoF voters love HRs and RBI's. I'm not saying that's how it should be but that how it is. I can't see Kent needing more than three tries to get into the HoF.
                          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                            With all due respect to Grich and Whitaker, Kent brings lots of HRs and lots of RBI's. And the HoF voters love HRs and RBI's. I'm not saying that's how it should be but that how it is. I can't see Kent needing more than three tries to get into the HoF.
                            I'm not sure about it. At that time Moose will still in the ballet, and Big Hurt, Piazza, Pudge Rodriguez, Schilling, Glavine, Smoltz, Randy Johnson and Pedro may just enter the ballet. The group is very very strong and the voting should be very interesting.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nyykan_t View Post
                              I'm not sure about it. At that time Moose will still in the ballet, and Big Hurt, Piazza, Pudge Rodriguez, Schilling, Glavine, Smoltz, Randy Johnson and Pedro may just enter the ballet. The group is very very strong and the voting should be very interesting.
                              Kent will be eligible in 2014. The big names on that ballot will be:

                              Maddux
                              Kent
                              Mussina

                              Obviously, Maddux is a sure fire first timer. Now who will the voters likely focus on after they punch Maddux's name? Mussina or Kent?

                              Piazza retired in '07 so he'll be eligible in 2013 and will get in on his first try. As for the others I guess it depends on when they retire? Pudge, Big Hurt, Smoltz, Johnson, snd Pedro are still active so they may be several years behind Kent on getting on he HoF ballot.
                              Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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