Would you put this guy in the Hall?

[micsmith]

The MVP award is an honor bestowed upon a player for a single year's worth of playing. Induction into the Hall is not based upon one, two, or even several years, but on an entire career's worth of playing. Given these basic stats, would you put this fictional player into the Hall?

Player Name: Miguel El Halo, Jr.

Year HR Hits RBI Team
1 16 132 41 Rockies
2 21 155 82 Rangers
3 28 166 94 Rangers
4 28 140 92 Rangers
5 25 148 88 D-Backs
6 26 152 76 D-Backs
7 18 136 65 D-Backs
8 29 155 94 Rockies
9 29 143 79 Cubs
10 26 139 96 Cubs
11 24 168 96 Reds
12 25 166 98 Reds
13 29 150 90 Cubs
14 28 150 88 Phillies
15 29 144 91 Rockies
16 25 159 79 Rockies
17 25 149 96 Red Sox
18 24 138 97 Red Sox
19 25 141 88 Red Sox
20 16 129 65 Phillies
21 11 106 38 Phillies

totals 507 3066 1733

Home Runs – 20th all-time
Hits – 20th all-time
RBI – 18th all-time

No all-star appearances. No gold gloves or silver sluggers. No ROY or MVP award (never top 10). No postseason play. He’s a left fielder. Played in mostly hitter’s parks. Never led the league in anything. Never hit over .300. No steroids. Went on DL list five times during his career. Never in top ten in Hits, RBI, or Home Runs for his league.

[Brooklyn]

Unbelievable conssitency for a long period of time. But based on the stats you provided, no HOF by my vote. Looks loike an example of quantity over quality.

To really evaluate, I'd need to see rate stats, but considering he never hit .300 for the season, it is doubtful that would help.

[DoubleX]

If this mostly came in the pre-juiced era, this guy has to go in. Only the 4th player with 500+ HR and 3000+ hits. Additionally, if this is pre-juiced era, the guy probably would have been closer to the league-lead in some years and thus in the context of his time, he would have appeared more dominant.

This guy seems like a slightly better (or more juiced) version of Harold Baines (though Baines did hit over .300 a few times).

[Captain Cold Nose]

Wow, the ultimate compiler. A snazzier Baines over the course of a career without Baines's single season highlights.
This is a great argument against magic numbers.

[RuthMayBond]

The MVP award is an honor bestowed upon a player for a single year's worth of playing. Induction into the Hall is not based upon one, two, or even several years, but on an entire career's worth of playing. Given these basic stats, would you put this fictional player into the Hall?

Player Name: Miguel El Halo, Jr.

The name "El Halo" disqualifies him right there

<Home Runs – 20th all-time
Hits – 20th all-time
RBI – 18th all-time

No all-star appearances. Never in top ten in Hits, RBI, or Home Runs for his league.>

The first part and second part don't seem to be compatible with each other

[Captain Cold Nose]

The name "El Halo" disqualifies him right there

<Home Runs – 20th all-time
Hits – 20th all-time
RBI – 18th all-time

No all-star appearances. Never in top ten in Hits, RBI, or Home Runs for his league.>

The first part and second part don't seem to be compatible with each other

Imagine 20 years of Kirk Gibson. Subtract just a little bit from RBI and HR year to year and remove the MVP he won not for his numbers and there you go.

[julusnc]

Palmeiro numbers? I would vote for him.

[RuthMayBond]

Imagine 20 years of Kirk Gibson. Subtract just a little bit from RBI and HR year to year

Just a LITTLE bit?

<and remove the MVP he won not for his numbers and there you go.>

Yeah, better production for longer but no MVP
You realize Gibson had a LOT of partial seasons?

[Captain Cold Nose]

Just a LITTLE bit?

<and remove the MVP he won not for his numbers and there you go.>

Yeah, better production for longer but no MVP
You realize Gibson had a LOT of partial seasons?

Not until now.

[RedSoxVT92]

That guy would be first ballot hall of famer. Anybody with 500 hr's and 3000 hits deserves to get in unless theve taken steroids (palmerio). If this guy had avoided steroid suspison he could get in easily. But of course he is a fictional player...

[leecemark]

--A player who never made an All Star team or finished in the top 10 in the MVP voting intuitively seems to NOT be a Hall of Famer. However, it would be a rather remarkable achievement, in and of itself, to have so many good seasons without making a few All Star teams.

[KCGHOST]

If you look at Lee Stevens in 1999 he had 24 HR's, 146 hits, and 81 rbi's. For his efforts he received no all-star nod, nor a gold glove or silver slugger, and didn't finish in the top ten of any major offensive category. Had Lee had 20 more seasons just like that one he would total 504/3066/1701 in the 3 categories mentioned and the offensive environment had remained the same (smack dab in the steroids era) he wouldn't get a whiff of the HoF.

[RuthMayBond]

If you look at Lee Stevens in 1999 he had 24 HR's, 146 hits, and 81 rbi's. For his efforts he received no all-star nod, nor a gold glove or silver slugger, and didn't finish in the top ten of any major offensive category. Had Lee had 20 more seasons just like that

That's where it fails. No one is going to have the same season 20 times in a row. There is a starting point, a learning curve and a rise, and then a decline. He's gonna be above that average some year which will make him All-Star/top 10 in a league

[RedSoxVT92]

Even if he never made an all star team (which is unlikley) He would still probably be in the hall as long as he is not tainted by steroids. If some one is that cosistant for that long that is an acheivment in itself. 3000 hits is a almost automatic in because when it comes down to voting people are going to see 3000 hits 500 homeruns and think HOF. and even if he didnt get on the first ballot he would probably get in eventually even if he was not dominant during his career.

[Cougar]

This guy isn't going to keep a job as a LF with those #'s. Is he?

It's a thought exercise, I know.