Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Is this a HOF career?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Is this a HOF career?

    Code:
    Seas    G    Ab    R     H     2b   3b   Hr    Rbi     Sb     Bb   Avg   Obp    Slg
    1998    14   58   12     16    5   3     0    7       3      3   .276  .317   .466
    1999   156  663   112   194   27   7    22    108     27     46  .293  .337   .454
    2000    98  372   49     92   15   4     7    44      13     35  .247  .309   .366
    2001   155  617   106   189   32   12   24    101     31     52  .306  .362   .514
    2002   162  637   114   174   44   7    29    105     35     71  .273  .346   .501
    2003   141  521   102   160   14   10   26    100     41     72  .307  .389   .522
    2004   149  599   121   160   36   9    38    104     42     92  .267  .367   .548
    2005   151  582   83    155   34   2    16    78      17     56  .266  .330   .414
    2006   155  600   110   175   35   3    28    102     24     70  .292  .366   .500
    2007   146  554   100   171   31   2    21    99      15     68  .309  .384   .486
    2008   160  626   112   194   37   6    34    118     32     75  .310  .384   .551
    2009   153  580   100   165   32   2    25    101     18     59  .284  .351   .476
    2010   150  567   93    160   31   2    28    92      12     56  .282  .347   .492
    2011   135  542   91    152   25   1    22    90      11     53  .280  .345   .465
    2012   141  563   93    154   27   1    23    89      9      60  .274  .343   .448
    2013   129  500   84    133   22   2    19    77      7      51  .266  .334   .432
    2014   110  419   75    110   19   0    16    65      7      55  .263  .348   .422
    2015   114  460   76    124   23   1    11    64      8      42  .270  .331   .396
    2016   101  452   68    119   18   1    10    60      3      30  .263  .309   .374
    2017    70  252   47     52   10   0     5    43      1      21  .206  .267   .306
    Last edited by Chisox; 04-06-2006, 03:06 PM.
    My dream ballpark dimensions
    LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
    RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
    Location....San Diego

  • #2
    I put in code so it would be easier to read. It would be better if we had some career numbers and other information to base our judgement on. I'd say there's a possibility and that's it. Who's stats are they supposed to be or just someone you made up? If he was a REALLY GOOD defensive outfielder, I'd say probably. If I didn't know any better, I just might think those are Andre Dawson's. (Of course Dawson played his prime in a much more pitcher friendly era.)
    Last edited by Chisox; 04-06-2006, 03:09 PM.
    Johnson and now Goligoski gone.
    I hope that's all.

    Comment


    • #3
      Do you mind showing us his totals???
      Rest in Peace Jose Fernandez (1992-2016)

      Comment


      • #4
        Thank you I appreciate the code. It does make it much easier to read.

        The player is an active player who career numbers are real throught 2005. 2006 on is of course projection but quite reasonably so IMO

        Awards are harder if not nearly impossible to project. Rookie of the year, Currently a 2 time allstar centerfielder, looking at the projections I'll say he'll make it to another 3 allstar games or 5 total. average to above average defensively with good range and a career .982 fielding % and a range factor of 2.71 compared to a 2.36 league range factor.
        My dream ballpark dimensions
        LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
        RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
        Location....San Diego

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by HankAaron86
          Do you mind showing us his totals???
          you mean you don't want to go through and add up all the numbers? Geesh make me do all the work I tell ya. lol no swet his career numbers by the projections are

          2590 games
          10,122 at-bats
          1747 runs
          2849 hits
          517 doubles
          75 triples
          404 home runs
          1617 RBIs
          355 stolen bases
          1067 walks
          .282 AVG
          .350 OBP
          .467 SLG
          My dream ballpark dimensions
          LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
          RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
          Location....San Diego

          Comment


          • #6
            Carlos Beltran is not a Hall of Famer.

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by BoSox Rule
              Carlos Beltran is not a Hall of Famer.
              The numbers say otherwise
              My dream ballpark dimensions
              LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
              RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
              Location....San Diego

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Sockeye
                The numbers say otherwise
                Except from 2006 on those won't be his numbers.

                If those were his numbers, then you have a slight case depending on the environment those years and his defense. However, the chances of him putting up those .880 years are very slim and I doubt he comes anywhere close to those numbers. You're assuming a player who already declined considerably last year will play well enough to enter the top 40 in games, top 20 in AB's, top 40 in hits, and top 35 in doubles all while playing his best baseball well after his prime years and the years he's already had, 3 of which were impressive.

                Comment


                • #9
                  --Beltran could be a Hall of Famer if he has a few great years along the line to go along with the good ones he has put up. Maybe if he just has the career Sockeye projects for that matter. I'd say the odds are against him though.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sockeye
                    The numbers say otherwise
                    Where did you get those projections? Did you just make them up? If so, you're saying you think he's a Hall of Famer because of his numbers, but you picked those numbers because of your faith in his ability to keep up Hall of Fame pace. Circular logic.
                    "Hall of Famer Whitey Ford now on the field... pleading with the crowd for, for some kind of sanity!"

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sockeye
                      you mean you don't want to go through and add up all the numbers? Geesh make me do all the work I tell ya. lol no swet his career numbers by the projections are

                      2590 games
                      10,122 at-bats
                      1747 runs
                      2849 hits
                      517 doubles
                      75 triples
                      404 home runs
                      1617 RBIs
                      355 stolen bases
                      1067 walks
                      .282 AVG
                      .350 OBP
                      .467 SLG
                      I've gotta think this would be a HOFer unless it was a 1B. But it ain't Beltran ,certainly not yet
                      Mythical SF Chronicle scouting report: "That Jeff runs like a deer. Unfortunately, he also hits AND throws like one." I am Venus DeMilo - NO ARM! I can play like a big leaguer, I can field like Luzinski, run like Lombardi. The secret to managing is keeping the ones who hate you away from the undecided ones. I am a triumph of quantity over quality. I'm almost useful, every village needs an idiot.
                      Good traders: MadHatter(2), BoofBonser26, StormSurge

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I wouldn't say to this point Beltran looks like a HOFer. He'd have to have five or more seasons at or above the level of his 2004 season, when he had a 136 OPS+. If he can have a 120 career OPS+, a long career, and remain a top flight defensive CFer he'll be a HOFer. But that is unlikely.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sockeye
                          you mean you don't want to go through and add up all the numbers? Geesh make me do all the work I tell ya. lol no swet his career numbers by the projections are

                          2590 games
                          10,122 at-bats
                          1747 runs
                          2849 hits
                          517 doubles
                          75 triples
                          404 home runs
                          1617 RBIs
                          355 stolen bases
                          1067 walks
                          .282 AVG
                          .350 OBP
                          .467 SLG
                          I'm sorry, there's no way a player with those averages in this era, playing neutral position (CF) would stick around for 2590 games. Unless he was one of the greatest CFers ever, which Beltran although he's good is not.

                          If the league averages stay the same, that would be a 106 OPS+. That's a slightly above average hitter. His BA would be 6 points above league, his OBP three, and his SLG 24 points above. That's not all that much more than an average hitter. It's not anywhere near a HOFer.

                          BTW, where did you get these projections from? Was it done in a systematic way? Did you just make them up?

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            The 2006 Bill James Handbook projects Beltran (if healthy) to finished with 9,600 AB, 2,650 H, 511 2B, 391 HR, 1,620 R, 1,509 RBI, 1,098 BB and 396 SB.

                            Depending on what "normal" is for the next 10-12 years, those numbers might very well indicate a Hall of Fame candidate. However, Beltran would have to stay extremely healthy for a long period of time and his skills could not diminish much for those numbers to become a reality.

                            I wouldn't put money on Beltran reaching those plateaus.

                            Also...Beltran is likely to play half his games in Shea Stadium for the next several years, significantly diminishing his "baseball card numbers." I doubt he'll finish with anything resembling 400 home runs.
                            "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                            "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                            "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                            "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BoSox Rule
                              Except from 2006 on those won't be his numbers.

                              You're assuming a player who already declined considerably last year will play well enough to enter the top 40 in games, top 20 in AB's, top 40 in hits, and top 35 in doubles all while playing his best baseball well after his prime years and the years he's already had, 3 of which were impressive.
                              Which of those seasons numbers do you see him as being unable to obtain?

                              Have you ever heard of one bad season? One bad season at the age of 28 is not a "decline" it does not mean he is past his prime. A baseball players prime is considered to be between the ages of 26-32 so when calculating projections the peak years come during his "prime" which he still has 4 more seasons of. After that there is a decline that is reflected in the projections.

                              I can name example after example of great players who had a bad season during their prime and bounced back to have many more great seasons... Aaron 1964, Ruth 1925, Mays 1960, F.Robinson 1963, McGwire 1991, Killebrew 1968, Jackson 1976, Schmidt 1978, Mantle 1959, Foxx 1931, McCovey 1967, Mathews 1958, Ott 1933, Murray 1986, Gehrig 1929, Stargell 1968, Winfield 1980, B.Williams 1969, Snider 1952, I could go on and on...The point is that one off year at the age of 28 means nothing.
                              My dream ballpark dimensions
                              LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
                              RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
                              Location....San Diego

                              Comment

                              Ad Widget

                              Collapse
                              Working...
                              X