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  • Freakshow
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    Results, Election #2

    We have another clearcut verdict, so let's close out round two. Congratulations to Minnie Minoso, Goose Gossage and Sherry Magee, the next three players selected to replace the Coop's mistakes. We had a really good turnout, 16 voters. Again, no player was named on every ballot; Minoso and Gossage were left off one voter's ballot who thinks Rice, Hodges and Wood are much better choices. There were 43 different players who received votes.

    Here are complete results for the second election:
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    Points	Ballots	1st Pl.	Top Ten
    147	15	5	Minnie Minoso
    105	15	1	Rich Gossage
    95	14	4	Sherry Magee
    73	13	1	Alan Trammell
    58	7	1	Bill Dahlen
    56	9	0	Albert Belle
    48	8	2	Pete Browning
    45	6	0	Bobby Grich
    34	9	0	Joe Gordon
    32	4	0	Gavy Cravath
    			the rest
    31	6	0	Keith Hernandez
    25	3	0	Ted Simmons
    22	2	1	Jim Rice
    19	2	1	Jimmy Wynn
    17	2	0	Joe Torre
    16	5	0	Dale Murphy
    13	4	0	Paul Hines
    11	2	0	Andre Dawson
    11	1	0	Gil Hodges
    10	2	0	Bobby Bonds
    10	2	0	Ken Boyer
    10	1	0	Tommy Bridges
    10	1	0	Joe Wood
    8	2	0	Dan Quisenberry
    7	1	0	Luis Tiant
    6	2	0	Lou Whitaker
    6	1	0	Tony Mullane
    5	2	0	Lee Smith
    5	1	0	Rocky Colavito
    5	1	0	Darrell Evans
    4	3	0	Carl Mays
    4	2	0	Deacon White
    4	1	0	Mike Tiernan
    4	1	0	Graig Nettles
    3	2	0	Stan Hack
    3	1	0	George Gore
    3	1	0	Heinie Groh
    3	1	0	Dwight Evans
    2	1	0	Hardy Richardson
    2	1	0	Sal Bando
    2	1	0	Bert Campaneris
    1	1	0	Wally Berger
    1	1	0	Dave Concepcion

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  • Erik Bedard
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    1. Dahlen
    2. Grich
    3. Gossage
    4. Wynn
    5. Minoso
    6. Darrell Evans
    7. Murphy
    8. Dwight Evans
    9. Hernandez
    10. Magee

    If you look at my first ballot, it's the same, except I realized I forgot Minoso, so I inserted him at #5 and bumped DwEvans down three.

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  • Freakshow
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    Originally posted by BlairRosen
    3.Tim Raines
    Raines is not eligible yet, as he was active in 2002. Please revise your ballot.

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  • BlairRosen
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    1.Minnie Minoso
    2.Joe Gordon
    3.Jim Rice
    4.Andre Dawson
    5.Goose Gossage
    6.Sherry Magee
    7.Keith Hernandez
    8.Albert Belle
    9.Dale Murphy
    10.Alan Trammell
    Last edited by BlairRosen; 04-11-2006, 01:02 PM.

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  • CoasttoCoast
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    1.Minnie Minoso
    2.Alan Trammell
    3.Albert Belle
    4.Goose Gossage
    5.Bill Dahlen
    6.Bobby Grich
    7.Sherry Magee
    8.Joe Gordon
    9.Keith Hernandez
    10.Pete Browning

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  • NationalPastime1980
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    1.Pete Browning
    2.Sherry Magee
    3.Bill Dahlen
    4.Alan Trammell
    5.Albert Belle
    6.Minnie Minoso
    7.Goose Gossage
    8.Lee Smith
    9.Dan Quisenberry
    10.Joe Gordon

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  • Dudeman
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    Sherry Magee
    Minnie Minoso
    Gavvy Cravath
    Pete Browning
    Goose Gossage
    Joe Gordon
    Albert Belle
    Paul Hines
    Lee Smith
    Alan Trammell

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  • NeverJustAGame
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    1.Sherry Magee
    2.Alan Tramell
    3.Albert Belle
    4.Goose Gossage
    5.Keith Hernandez
    6.Minnie Minoso
    7.Gavvy Cravath
    8.Pete Browning
    9.Carl Mays
    10.Joe Gordon

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  • julusnc
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    1.Sherry Magee
    2.Minnie Minoso
    3.Albert Belle
    4.Gavvy Cravath
    5.Pete Browning
    6.Goose Gossage
    7.Bill Dahlen
    8.Alan Trammell
    9.Joe Gordon
    10.Carl Mays

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  • yazfan88
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    1. Jim Rice
    2. Gil Hodges
    3. Joe Wood
    4. Luis Tiant
    5. Dan Quisenberry
    6. Rocky Colovito
    7. Craig Nettles
    8. Ken Boyer
    9. Bert Campaneris
    10. Dave Concepcion

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  • The Dude
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    1.Sherry Magee
    2.Gavvy Cravath
    3.Ted Simmons
    4.Minnie Minoso
    5.Joe Gordon
    6.Albert Belle
    7.Goose Gossage
    8.Bobby Grich
    9.Stan Hack
    10.Carl Mays

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    1. Goose Gossage
    2. Bill Dahlen
    3. Minnie Minnoso
    4. Sherry Magee
    5. Tony Mullane
    6. Pete Browning
    7. Ted Simmons
    8. Alan Trammel
    9. Albert Belle
    10. Dale Murphy

    11. Bobby Grich
    12. Andre Dawson
    13. Dave Parker
    14. Luis Tiant
    15. Ken Boyer
    16. Joe Gordon
    17. Carl Mays
    18. Keith Hernandez
    19. Jimmy Wynn
    20. George Van Haltren

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by 538280
    Pearce was elected to the BTF Hall of Merit. His stat line isn't so impressive the way we look at it, but he was supposed to be an awesome fielder when fielding was probably about 80% of defense, and he was a great player before our statistical base begins in 1871. Look at his birth year. He was born in 1836, he was 35 years old in 1871. You're only seeing his decline phase on the BBRef page. He was one of the best (if not the best) player in the country during the 1850s and 1860s.
    I'm guessing this must be eyewitnesses (which are OK, if there's enough, and a general consensus). But a lot of people seriously downgrade players in the 1890s. How much more so in the 1850s?

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  • 538280
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond
    I'm sorry, you have to defend the pathetic nomination of Dickey Pearce.
    Career slugging, .276.
    Number of full seasons, five.
    Number of 30+ RBI years, zero.
    OPS+, 78.
    Career RBI, 137.
    Years after 1877, zero.
    Sneaking him in the Hall, priceless
    Dang, I left Hodges on
    Pearce was elected to the BTF Hall of Merit. His stat line isn't so impressive the way we look at it, but he was supposed to be an awesome fielder when fielding was probably about 80% of defense, and he was a great player before our statistical base begins in 1871. Look at his birth year. He was born in 1836, he was 35 years old in 1871. You're only seeing his decline phase on the BBRef page. He was one of the best (if not the best) player in the country during the 1850s and 1860s.

    I'm not knowledgable enough on Pearce to say whether the BTF guys made a good selection, but they are very intelligent and tend to make very, very sound selections on the whole so I'm willing to go with their conclusion that Pearce was a truly great player.

    Here's a link with some good discussion on Pearce (just use the "find in top window" feature and you'll find the discussion, because it's included in there with discussions of various other players):

    http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...ot_discussion/

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  • 538280
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    1.Jimmy Wynn
    2.Bobby Grich
    3.Minnie Minoso
    4.Bobby Bonds
    5.Alan Trammell
    6.Goose Gossage
    7.Sherry Magee
    8.Heinie Groh
    9.Sal Bando
    10.Wally Berger
    Next Up: Lee Smith, Joe Torre, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons, Joe Gordon, Dan Quisenberry
    Last edited by 538280; 04-10-2006, 05:38 PM.

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