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  • Goose Goslin

    This guy never gets enough credit- terrifically consistent player, on 5 teams that won pennants, easily passes 3 out of 4 of the baseball reference tests, ranks high in more single season offensive categories more often than i thought. a lot of guys from that era look better than they really are, but i get the feeling this guy is even better than he looks. how high on the list of top 100 all time position players would he go? offhand, i'd say he could possibly be pushing the top 50...
    Last edited by oscargamblesfro; 04-10-2006, 05:50 PM.

  • #2
    Well, I agree he's in the top 100, maybe the top 50 (I'll have to think on that one), but he does have a great case considering that despite playing most games in a huge park he hit an average of 18 homeruns 194 hits, had an OPS of .887 and an OPS+ of 128 and walked 364 more times than he struck out.
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    • #3
      I agree, Goslin is underrated. I personally have him just out of my top 100. Killed by his home park for half his career. Certainly he deserves at least half of the priases often sung for Al Simmons.

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      • #4
        --Goslin has been largely forgotten. A little surprising given his catchy nickname, key role on 5 pennant winners (including all 3 in Senators history) and his overall outstanding play. Had he played any place but Griffith Stadium he would have hit alot more HR, but he managed to drive home a ton of runs with doubles and triples anyway. He was a very good defensive player as well.
        --In the Buckerfoot Al thread I mentioned Goslin earlier today as one of 8 LFers who could rank anywhere from 8-15 all time at the position. Even if you put him at the top of that group its going to leave him out of the top 50. If he is closer to the bottom he doesn't even make the top 100. We may have the chance to slot him in one of those groups soon. Check out the thread Ranking the Legends to see if you'd be interested in doing that.

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        • #5
          His 1925 season is incredible by these standards because he was just 2 homeruns shy of a 20/20/20 season and he also hit .334 and had a stolen base percentage of 77%
          “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

          "Fill in any figure you want for that boy (Mantle). Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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          • #6
            strangely, he doesn't rank any higher than 6th in the mvp voting for any season. i wonder why that is- perhaps he was underrated at the time? good example of a legitimate hall of famer who never had many mind blowing single seasons, but earned it through many consistent very good to very, very good years.

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            • #7
              I've always suspected Goslin's OPS+ was depressed because of his park. That his numbers were depressed by a higher % than Griffith's park factor.
              "Hall of Famer Whitey Ford now on the field... pleading with the crowd for, for some kind of sanity!"

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              • #8
                Goose Goslin is underated. He played in a pretty bad staduim for hitters and just look at the diffrence it made when he was traded to the Browns in the 1930 season. He hit 30 home runs in only 101 games were as in his days with the Senators he had not even cracked 20. Had a great average 1924-1928 hitting .344, .334, .354, .334, .379. Drove in more than 100 runs 11 times in his career. And he batted very well in the 24 and 25 WS. he had 3 homers, 7 RBIs .344/.344/.656/ in the 24 WS and in the 25 WS he had 3 homers, 6 RBIs, .308/.379/.692. Goslin was also a very clutch hitter. One big reason why I believe he is largley forgotten is because he played and was his best with the Senators. And because of that there is not really anything to honor him for the Twins have erased the Senator history from there franchise and no one in Washington really remebers the Senators.
                go sox.

                Pigskin-Fever

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                • #9
                  Well, I am slightly confused about the pick in 1925, teammate Roger Peckingpaugh won despite having only a .294 average 64 RBI, 124 hits and only 4 homeruns and 4 triples.

                  (Given he was a shortstop with a good fielding average, but still...)
                  “There can be no higher law in journalism than to tell the truth and to shame the devil.” Walter Lippmann

                  "Fill in any figure you want for that boy (Mantle). Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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                  • #10
                    Goslin's an outstanding player. He doesn't quite crack my top 50 (Simmons can barely do so), but I'd certainly have him around 75th or so, and definitely ahead of Reggie Jackson.
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                    • #11
                      according to a site called 'the baseball page,' goslin has the smallest % of lifetime homers hit in his home park by any player with at least 200 home runs. they also say that there are no really comparable current/ recent players. can anyone come up with a good recent/ current comp? i can't off the top of my head...
                      Last edited by oscargamblesfro; 04-10-2006, 06:52 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by oscargamblesfro
                        according to a site called 'the baseball page,' goslin has the smallest % of lifetime homers hit in his home park by any player with at least 200 home runs. they also say that there are no really comparable current/ recent players. can anyone come up with a good recent/ current comp? i can't off the top of my head...
                        Brian Giles is pretty similar.

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                        • #13
                          I have Goslin ranked 73, so there is no underating here.
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                          • #14
                            Goslin was a fine player who, unfortunately, played half his career in a very tough ballpark and played in a time of mega-stars.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ElHalo
                              Goslin's an outstanding player. He doesn't quite crack my top 50 (Simmons can barely do so), but I'd certainly have him around 75th or so, and definitely ahead of Reggie Jackson.

                              Ahead of Reggie Jackson? Ha! .that shows how much you know about baseball.

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