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  • Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame

    For those of you who have already made your own personal baseball Hall of Fame and for those who would like to, here's a thread where you can post it in one big all-time HOF ballot. Each player on someone's all-time HOF ballot will receive a vote, and at the top of the thread, I'll keep a running total of all the votes. As long as a player remains on at least 75% of the ballots, they're in the Single Ballot Baseball Fever Hall of Fame.

    To be eligible for the Single Ballot BBF HOF, players must have been inactive for 5 full seasons (so currently, you can't vote for anyone who's played after 2014). As an option, each voter can include on their ballot a separate list of "Future Eligibles", including any players active after 2014 who you think will be worthy of your personal Hall of Fame when eligible. These votes have no bearing on the Single Ballot BBF HOF. However, when the 2021 BBWAA election results are released, any Future Eligibles on participants' ballots who last played in 2015 will be transferred to the main list, and so on for each subsequent year. Making a list of Future Eligibles is convenient for me and for participants, as it helps to avoid having to update one's personal HOF every year.

    Besides major league players, participants can vote for Negro League players, as well as banned players, pre-1876 players, and/or international players. If a voter chooses to entirely exclude Negro League play as a criterion for their selections, any Negro Leaguers not on their ballot will not be penalized in the voting (i.e., the Negro Leaguers not on the ballot will be given neither a vote for nor a vote against).

    Voting for contributors is optional. If you wish to vote for contributors (managers, pioneers, executives, umpires, etc.), please keep them separate from the players on your ballot. If you do not have a contributors section on your ballot, I'll treat it as if you're not voting either for or against them. For contributors, there is no 5-season wait, so even active contributors can be voted for. As long as a contributor remains on at least 75% of the ballots that include contributors, they're in the Single Ballot Baseball Fever Hall of Honor, a separate Hall from the one for players.

    Your player list should primarily consider on-the-field contributions and your contributor list should primarily consider off-the-field contributions. If you feel an individual's on- and off-the-field contributions are separately worthy of your Hall, you can include this individual on both your player and contributor lists. If you think an individual is worthy of your Hall based on their on- and off-the-field contributions combined but not based on either separately, you can place the individual either on your player list or your contributor list, depending upon whether you think they contributed more on or off the field.

    One unique thing about this HOF is that players can drift in and out of the Hall depending on their level of support. Please note that this is not designed to contest the results of any other BBF HOF elections; it's just a different way to poll the BBF community about their HOF choices. This thread will remain open so that anyone can add their personal Hall of Fame or edit the one which they already posted. If you do make some edits to your HOF, please post a reply to the thread indicating the changes. I'll recalculate the totals so that the collective HOF stays current.

    The full list of all players and contributors in the real Baseball Hall of Fame can be found here. There are 264 HOFers elected as players and 69 elected as contributors as of 2020.

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    Votes listed below are as of 9:00 PM ET, Sunday, January 26, 2020.

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    Numbers code for individual voters
    Name is linked to voter's ballot
    (# of pre-2015 players/Future Eligibles/Contributors)

    01 = Bothrops Atrox (278/25/52)
    02 = Chadwick (328/24/95)
    03 = Tyrus4189Cobb (222/4/33)
    04 = MadHatter (202/0/0)
    05 = Ace Venom (261/0/68)
    06 = jalbright (291/2/85)
    07 = John Shoemaker (334/20/0)
    08 = Cowtipper (329/17/53)
    09 = BlueBlood (268/2/0)
    10 = Nerdlinger (272/29/24)
    11 = jjpm74 (284/20/81)
    12 = Los Bravos (286/6/68)
    13 = stejay (243/0/0)
    14 = Domenic (215/0/0)
    15 = hairmetalfreek (293/13/0)
    16 = Sockeye (201/5/0)
    17 = Jar of Flies (293/23/94)
    18 = Cougar (585/37/191)
    19 = wrgptfan (179/0/0)
    20 = bluesky5 (282/22/254)
    21 = leecemark (287/3/40)
    22 = Ducati12 (253/3/0)
    23 = AstrosFan (232/3/0)
    24 = henrich (265/2/0)
    25 = EnterSandman (211/4/0)
    26 = SavoyBG (308/2/0)
    27 = baltimorechop (255/0/0)
    28 = Richard Stark (360/7/58)
    29 = dgarza (314/10/0)
    30 = blade1969 (231/2/0)
    31 = JR Hart (279/13/0)
    32 = Herr28 (341/0/35)
    33 = The Dude (298/8/103)
    34 = TheMendozaLine (281/0/0)
    35 = Yankillaz (320/5/37)
    36 = 1905 Giants (240/0/0)
    37 = adarowski (226/0/0)
    38 = Second Base Coach (336/33/0)
    39 = TheSlaff (265/30/82)
    40 = layson27 (265/0/0)
    41 = Toledo Inquisition (244/7/0)
    42 = RapDixon (287/0/71)
    43 = dwj21792 (141/7/23)
    44 = pedrosrotatorcuff (272/28/71)
    45 = Stieb37 (630/51/173)
    46 = NJRob65 (200/16/56)


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    Key to Tables
    * = elected to the real HOF as a player
    ° = elected to the real HOF as a contributor
    ^ = played in the Negro Leagues (player lists only)
    ~ = active player (futures list only)
    " = primarily a manager (contributor lists only)
    From-To = 1st and last seasons in the majors
    Tm = team with the most games played
    Pos = position with the most games played
    ›‹ = a vote for
    [blank] = a vote against
    -- = neither a vote for nor against
    (right click table and select View Image for full size)

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    The Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame
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    Non-HOF Players in the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame (17):

    Dick Allen, Barry Bonds, Ken Boyer, Bob Caruthers, Roger Clemens, Bill Dahlen, Dwight Evans, Bobby Grich, Todd Helton, Keith Hernandez, Jeff Kent, Minnie Minoso, Manny Ramirez, Scott Rolen, Pete Rose, Curt Schilling, Lou Whitaker

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    Players With Less Than 75% Support

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    HOF Players with Less Than 75% Support (68):

    Luis Aparicio, Earl Averill, Harold Baines, Dave Bancroft, Jake Beckley, Chief Bender, Jim Bottomley, Roger Bresnahan, Lou Brock, Orlando Cepeda, Frank Chance, Jack Chesbro, Earle Combs, Andy Cooper, Kiki Cuyler, Ray Dandridge, Leon Day, Hugh Duffy, Johnny Evers, Rick Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Bill Foster, Nellie Fox, Lefty Gomez, Burleigh Grimes, Chick Hafey, Jesse Haines, Pete Hill, Trevor Hoffman, Harry Hooper, Waite Hoyt, Catfish Hunter, Travis Jackson, Judy Johnson, Addie Joss, George Kell, Joe Kelley, High Pockets Kelly, Chuck Klein, Tony Lazzeri, Freddie Lindstrom, Ernie Lombardi, Heinie Manush, Rabbit Maranville, Rube Marquard, Bill Mazeroski, Tommy McCarthy, Jack Morris, Herb Pennock, Tony Perez, Jim Rice, Sam Rice, Eppa Rixey, Phil Rizzuto, Edd Roush, Ray Schalk, Red Schoendienst, Joe Sewell, Lee Smith, Bruce Sutter, Ben Taylor, Joe Tinker, Pie Traynor, Lloyd Waner, Mickey Welch, Vic Willis, Hack Wilson, Ross Youngs

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    Future Eligibles
    (Played in 2015 or later)
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    Future Eligibles with 75%+ Support (7):

    Carlos Beltran, Adrian Beltre, Miguel Cabrera, Clayton Kershaw, Albert Pujols, Alex Rodriguez, Ichiro Suzuki

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    The Single Ballot BBF Hall of Honor
    (For contributors)
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    Non-HOF Contributors in the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Honor (0)

    [none]

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    Contributors With Less Than 75% Support

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    HOF Contributors with Less Than 75% Support (32):

    Al Barlick, Morgan Bulkeley, Alexander Cartwright, Happy Chandler, Nestor Chylak, Charlie Comiskey, Jocko Conlan, Tom Connolly, Candy Cummings, Barney Dreyfuss, Billy Evans, Ford Frick, Warren Giles, Clark Griffith, Will Harridge, Bucky Harris, Doug Harvey, Cal Hubbard, Bowie Kuhn, Al Lopez, Lee MacPhail, Effa Manley, Bill McGowan, Hank O'Day, Alex Pompez, Wilbert Robinson, Jacob Ruppert, John Schuerholz, Bud Selig, Billy Southworth, George Wright, Tom Yawkey

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    Evolution of the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame

    https://i.imgur.com/zGkhtQO.png

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    History of Updates (0 is the original HOF)
    Code:
    0) 2010-04-16-1700
    1) 2010-04-21-1600
    2) 2010-04-21-1800
    3) 2010-05-28-2000
    4) 2010-06-01-2300
    5) 2010-06-02-2100
    6) 2010-06-03-2200
    7) 2010-06-24-1400
    8) 2010-07-02-1300
    9) 2010-07-04-1300
    10) 2010-07-06-1400
    11) 2010-10-15-1300
    12) 2010-10-15-1900
    13) 2010-10-19-1900
    14) 2010-11-13-1800
    15) 2010-11-16-2000
    16) 2010-11-23-1500
    17) 2010-11-29-2100
    18) 2011-04-23-1700
    19) 2011-09-18-1700
    20) 2011-09-21-1700
    21) 2011-09-21-2200
    22) 2011-10-06-2100
    23) 2012-01-06-1100
    24) 2012-01-23-2300
    25) 2012-10-26-1700
    26) 2012-11-16-1100
    27) 2013-01-23-2130
    28) 2013-02-17-2245
    29) 2013-02-19-1545
    30) 2013-02-20-0000
    31) 2013-02-21-1800
    32) 2013-04-24-2230
    33) 2013-05-17-1700
    34) 2013-09-05-1000
    35) 2013-10-04-2100
    36) 2013-12-01-1400
    37) 2014-01-09-2330
    38) 2014-03-28-2215
    39) 2014-04-06-1730
    40) 2014-07-18-2330
    41) 2014-08-10-0130
    42) 2014-10-05-0015
    43) 2014-11-23-1230
    44) 2014-12-25-1130
    45) 2015-04-25-1600
    46) 2015-11-04-2100
    47) 2016-02-21-1415
    48) 2016-05-27-1700
    49) 2016-11-13-0000
    50) 2017-02-09-1800
    51) 2017-11-12-1500
    52) 2018-10-07-2200
    53) 2019-01-27-2000
    54) 2020-01-26-2100
    Current Franchises
    ARI = Arizona Diamondbacks (NL 1998- )
    BLA/NYY = Baltimore Orioles/New York Yankees (AL 1901- )
    BOS = Boston Red Sox (AL 1901- )
    BRO/LAD = Brooklyn/Los Angeles Dodgers (AA-NL 1884- )
    BSN/MLN/ATL = Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves (NL 1876- )
    CHC = Chicago Cubs (NL 1876- )
    CHW = Chicago White Sox (AL 1901- )
    CIN = Cincinnati Reds (AA-NL 1882- )
    CLE = Cleveland Indians (AL 1901- )
    COL = Colorado Rockies (NL 1993- )
    DET = Detroit Tigers (AL 1901- )
    FLA/MIA = Florida/Miami Marlins (NL 1993- )
    HOU = Houston Astros (NL-AL 1962- )
    KCR = Kansas City Royals (AL 1969- )
    LAA/CAL/ANA = Los Angeles/California/Anaheim Angels (AL 1961- )
    MLA/SLB/BAL = Milwaukee Brewers/St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles (AL 1901- )
    MON/WSN = Montreal Expos/Washington Nationals (NL 1969- )
    NYG/SFG = New York/San Francisco Giants (NL 1883- )
    NYM = New York Mets (NL 1962- )
    PHA/KCA/OAK = Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics (AL 1901- )
    PHI = Philadelphia Phillies (NL 1883- )
    PIT = Pittsburgh Pirates (AA-NL 1882- )
    SDP = San Diego Padres (NL 1969- )
    SEA = Seattle Mariners (AL 1977- )
    SEP/MIL = Seattle Pilots/Milwaukee Brewers (AL-NL 1969- )
    STL = St. Louis Cardinals (AA-NL 1882- )
    TBR = Tampa Bay Rays (AL 1998- )
    TOR = Toronto Blue Jays (AL 1977- )
    WSA/TEX = Washington Senators/Texas Rangers (AL 1961- )
    WSH/MIN = Washington Senators/Minnesota Twins (AL 1901- )

    Defunct Franchises
    ATH = Philadelphia Athletics (NL 1876)
    BLO = Baltimore Orioles (AA-NL 1882-1899)
    BUF = Buffalo Bisons (NL 1879-1885)
    CBL = Cleveland Blues (NL 1879-1884)
    CLV = Cleveland Spiders (AA-NL 1887-1899)
    CNR = Cincinnati Reds (NL 1876-1880)
    DTN = Detroit Wolverines (NL 1881-1888)
    HAR = Hartford Dark Blues (NL 1876-1877)
    LOU = Louisville Colonels (AA-NL 1882-1899)
    NYP = New York Metropolitans (AA 1883-1887)
    PAA = Philadelphia Athletics (AA 1882-1890)
    PRO = Providence Grays (NL 1878-1885)
    SBS = St. Louis Brown Stockings (NL 1876-1877)
    SYR = Syracuse Stars (NL 1879)
    TOL = Toledo Blue Stockings (AA 1884)
    TRT = Troy Trojans (NL 1879-1882)
    WAS = Washington Senators (AA-NL 1891-1899)
    WNA = Washington Nationals (UA 1884)
    WNL = Washington Nationals (NL 1886-1889)
    Last edited by Nerdlinger; 02-03-2020, 08:19 PM.
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  • #2
    Here is my "add" list. I'll post my "subtract" list soon. I am sure there are some negro league omissions, but am not sure how to evaluate NL HOF worthiness for those not already in - so I will not take any out or add any in, especially after so many worthy candidates went in a few years ago.

    Ron Santo
    Barry Larkin
    Roberto Alomar
    Bobby Grich
    Sal Bando
    Lou Whitaker
    Darrel Evans
    Dick Allen
    Sherry Magee
    Stan Hack
    Graig Nettles
    Dwight Evans
    Willie Randolph
    Ken Boyer
    Minnie Minnoso
    Edgar Martinez
    Alan Trammel
    Keith Hernandez
    Will Clark
    Jack Glasscock
    Bill Dahlen
    Ted Simmons
    Joe Torre
    Bert Blyleven
    Rick Rueschel
    Tony Mullane
    Bob Caruthers
    Bret Saberhagen
    Dave Stieb
    Billy Pierce
    Tommy Bridges
    Wes Ferrell
    Luis Tiant
    Tommy John
    Urban Shocker
    Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-17-2010, 10:02 AM.
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    1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


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    • #3
      Here is my "out" list. I am sure I missed a person or two. Hope I got it.


      Andy Cooper
      Johnny Evers
      George Wright
      Freddie Lidstrom
      Chick Hafey
      Jim Bottomley
      George Kell
      Bill Mazerowski
      Ernie Lombardi
      George Kelly
      Rick Ferrell
      Miller Huggins
      Ross Youngs
      Pie Traynor
      Rabbit Maranville
      Hack Wilson
      Lou Brock
      Chuck Klein
      Red Shoendienst
      Roger Bresnehan
      Jim Rice
      Phil Rizzuto
      Travis Jackson
      Heinie Manush
      Nellie Foxx
      Earl Combs
      Dave Bancroft
      Sam Thompson
      Orlando Cepeda
      Edd Roush
      Hughie Jennings
      Joe Tinker
      Tommy McCarthy
      Ray Shcalk
      Kiki Cuyler
      Luis Apparicio
      Tony Perez
      Sam Rice
      Harry Hooper
      Mickey Welch
      Waite Hoyt
      Lefty Gomez
      Dizzy Dean
      Addie Joss
      Chief Bender
      Burleigh Grimes
      Herb Pennock
      Bruce Sutter
      Rollie Fingers
      Jesse Haines
      Jack Chesbro
      Catfish Hunter
      Rube Marquard
      Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-17-2010, 10:06 AM.
      1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

      1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

      1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


      The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
      The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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      • #4
        Cool, thanks for the vote. I'm going to wait for a few more ballots before I start totaling them. Remember, your ballot isn't set in stone; you can change it in the future if you like.
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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        • #5
          @STLCards2: In your list of players to remove, you have George Wright and Miller Huggins. Both of them were elected to the real HOF not as players but as contributors (Wright as pioneer/executive and Huggins as manager). Did you mean to remove them for their playing skills or what they've contributed as non-players?
          *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DJC View Post
            @STLCards2: In your list of players to remove, you have George Wright and Miller Huggins. Both of them were elected to the real HOF not as players but as contributors (Wright as pioneer/executive and Huggins as manager). Did you mean to remove them for their playing skills or what they've contributed as non-players?
            Bith had enough career PA,s that I included them as players - definitely do not want them in the Hall as players.
            1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

            1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

            1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


            The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
            The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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            • #7
              Shoeless Joe Jackson would be on my "add" list,
              what may or may not not have happened some 90 years ago, could be let go, and Joe is dead, he could be "foregiven" if one is so knowing as to be absolutely 100% positve of what happened in the past.

              To drop Addie Joss is vastly unkind, his untimely death in the prime of life, at the age of 31, should allow some special consideration,
              however his actual MLB stats are very HOF worthy, without any special consideration;
              Joss has the best WHIP of any pitcher ever !
              Joss has the second best ERA of all time !
              Joss has the fourth best ERA + of any HOF starting pitcher !
              Joss has the best control via BB/9, of any 20th century pitcher !
              Joss has the second best shutout percentage of any HOF hurler.
              Joss has an outstanding .623 W-L %.

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              • #8
                Chadwick's Personal Hall of Fame
                (Last updated May 8, 2020)

                446 total honorees
                439 total individuals honored (7 honored in multiple capacities*)
                330 players inducted
                24 future player inductees ("NYE" = Not Yet Eligible)
                116 (non-playing) contributors inducted


                Pitchers (100/7)
                Pete Alexander
                Kevin Appier
                Akira Bessho
                Bert Blyleven
                Kevin Brown
                Mordecai Brown
                Ray Brown
                Mark Buehrle - NYE
                Jim Bunning
                Steve Carlton
                Bob Caruthers
                Eddie Cicotte
                John Clarkson
                Roger Clemens
                David Cone
                Stan Coveleski
                Dizzy Dean
                Martin Dihigo
                Don Drysdale
                Dennis Eckersley
                Yutaka Enatsu
                Red Faber
                Bob Feller
                Wes Ferrell
                Chuck Finley
                Whitey Ford
                Bill Foster
                Rube Foster
                Pud Galvin
                Bob Gibson
                Tom Glavine
                Dwight Gooden
                Goose Gossage
                Zack Greinke - NYE
                Clark Griffith
                Lefty Grove
                Roy Halladay
                Orel Hershiser
                Carl Hubbell
                Tim Hudson - NYE
                Kazuhisa Inao
                Fergie Jenkins
                Tommy John
                Randy Johnson
                Walter Johnson
                Masaichi Kaneda
                Tim Keefe
                Clayton Kershaw - NYE
                Sandy Koufax
                Masaaki Koyama
                Bob Lemon
                Ted Lyons
                Greg Maddux
                Juan Marichal
                Pedro Martinez
                Christy Mathewson
                Jim McCormick
                Joe McGinnity
                Jose Mendez
                Tony Mullane
                Mike Mussina
                Hal Newhouser
                Kid Nichols
                Phil Niekro
                Satchel Paige
                Jim Palmer
                Gaylord Perry
                Andy Pettitte
                Billy Pierce
                Eddie Plank
                Charley Radbourn
                Dick Redding
                Rick Reuschel
                Mariano Rivera
                Eppa Rixey
                Robin Roberts
                Bullet Rogan
                Red Ruffing
                Amos Rusie
                Nolan Ryan
                CC Sabathia - NYE
                Bret Saberhagen
                Johan Santana
                Max Scherzer - NYE
                Curt Schilling
                Tom Seaver
                Urban Shocker
                Hilton Smith
                John Smoltz
                Warren Spahn
                Al Spalding
                Victor Starffin
                Dave Stieb
                Shigeru Sugishita
                Don Sutton
                Luis Tiant
                Dazzy Vance
                Justin Verlander - NYE
                Rube Waddell
                Ed Walsh
                Bucky Walters
                Hoyt Wilhelm
                Joe Williams
                Vic Willis
                Early Wynn
                Tetsuya Yoneda
                Cy Young


                Catchers (25/3)
                Johnny Bench
                Charlie Bennett
                Yogi Berra
                Roger Bresnahan
                Roy Campanella
                Gary Carter
                Mickey Cochrane
                Bill Dickey
                Buck Ewing
                Carlton Fisk
                Josh Gibson
                Gabby Hartnett
                Ernie Lombardi
                Biz Mackey
                Joe Mauer – NYE
                Cal McVey
                Yadier Molina – NYE
                Thurman Munson
                Katsuya Nomura
                Mike Piazza
                Buster Posey – NYE
                Ivan Rodriguez
                Louis Santop
                Wally Schang
                Ted Simmons
                Joe Torre
                Quincy Trouppe
                Deacon White


                First Basemen (29/4)
                Dick Allen
                Cap Anson
                Jeff Bagwell
                Jake Beckley
                Dan Brouthers
                Miguel Cabrera – NYE
                Roger Connor
                Jimmie Foxx
                Lou Gehrig
                Hank Greenberg
                Todd Helton
                Keith Hernandez
                Harmon Killebrew
                Buck Leonard
                Willie McCovey
                Fred McGriff
                Mark McGwire
                Johnny Mize
                Eddie Murray
                Hiromitsu Ochiai
                Sadaharu Oh
                David Ortiz – NYE
                Rafael Palmeiro
                Tony Perez
                Albert Pujols – NYE
                George Sisler
                Joe Start
                Mule Suttles
                Ben Taylor
                Bill Terry
                Frank Thomas
                Jim Thome
                Joey Votto – NYE


                Second Basemen (26/4)
                Roberto Alomar
                Ross Barnes
                Craig Biggio
                Robinson Cano – NYE
                Rod Carew
                Cupid Childs
                Eddie Collins
                Bobby Doerr
                Johnny Evers
                Nellie Fox
                Frankie Frisch
                Charlie Gehringer
                Joe Gordon
                Frank Grant
                Bobby Grich
                Billy Herman
                Rogers Hornsby
                Jeff Kent
                Ian Kinsler – NYE
                Nap Lajoie
                Tony Lazzeri
                Bid McPhee
                Joe Morgan
                Dustin Pedroia – NYE
                Willie Randolph
                Hardy Richardson
                Jackie Robinson
                Ryne Sandberg
                Chase Utley – NYE
                Lou Whitaker


                Third Basemen (25/2)
                Home Run Baker
                Sal Bando
                Buddy Bell
                Adrian Beltre – NYE
                Wade Boggs
                Ken Boyer
                George Brett
                Jimmy Collins
                Bob Elliott
                Darrell Evans
                Heinie Groh
                Stan Hack
                Chipper Jones
                Edgar Martinez
                Eddie Mathews
                John McGraw
                Paul Molitor
                Shigeo Nagashima
                Graig Nettles
                Brooks Robinson
                Scott Rolen
                Ron Santo
                Mike Schmidt
                Ezra Sutton
                Pie Traynor
                Jud Wilson
                David Wright – NYE


                Shortstops (31/1)
                Luis Aparicio
                Luke Appling
                Ernie Banks
                John Beckwith
                Lou Boudreau
                Perucho Cepeda
                Bus Clarkson
                Joe Cronin
                Bill Dahlen
                George Davis
                Art Fletcher
                Jack Glasscock
                Hughie Jennings
                Derek Jeter
                Home Run Johnson
                Barry Larkin
                Pop Lloyd
                Dick Lundy
                Pee Wee Reese
                Cal Ripken
                Alex Rodriguez – NYE
                Joe Sewell
                Ozzie Smith
                Joe Tinker
                Alan Trammell
                Arky Vaughan
                Honus Wagner
                Bobby Wallace
                John Ward
                Willie Wells
                George Wright
                Robin Yount


                Left Fielders (30)
                Albert Belle
                Lance Berkman
                Barry Bonds
                Lou Brock
                Jesse Burkett
                Fred Clarke
                Ed Delahanty
                Goose Goslin
                Isao Harimoto
                Rickey Henderson
                Monte Irvin
                Bob Johnson
                Charlie Keller
                Joe Kelley
                Ralph Kiner
                Sherry Magee
                Joe Medwick
                Minnie Minoso
                Stan Musial
                Jim O’Rourke
                Tim Raines
                Manny Ramirez
                Pete Rose
                Al Simmons
                Willie Stargell
                Harry Stovey
                Zack Wheat
                Ted Williams
                Billy Williams
                Carl Yastrzemski


                Center Fielders (32/2)
                Richie Ashburn
                Earl Averill
                Cool Papa Bell
                Carlos Beltran – NYE
                Willard Brown
                Pete Browning
                Max Carey
                Oscar Charleston
                Ty Cobb
                Willie Davis
                Andre Dawson
                Joe DiMaggio
                Larry Doby
                Jim Edmonds
                George Gore
                Ken Griffey Jr.
                Billy Hamilton
                Pete Hill
                Paul Hines
                Andruw Jones
                Kenny Lofton
                Mickey Mantle
                Willie Mays
                Dale Murphy
                Alejandro Oms
                Lip Pike
                Kirby Puckett
                Duke Snider
                Tris Speaker
                Turkey Stearnes
                Cristobal Torriente
                Mike Trout – NYE
                Bernie Williams
                Jimmy Wynn


                Right Fielders (32/1)
                Hank Aaron
                Bobby Abreu
                Bobby Bonds
                Roberto Clemente
                Sam Crawford
                Dwight Evans
                Elmer Flick
                Vladimir Guerrero
                Tony Gwynn
                Harry Heilmann
                Harry Hooper
                Shoeless Joe Jackson
                Reggie Jackson
                Heavy Johnson
                Al Kaline
                Willie Keeler
                King Kelly
                Hurley McNair
                Tony Oliva
                Mel Ott
                Dave Parker
                Sam Rice
                Frank Robinson
                Babe Ruth
                Gary Sheffield
                Enos Slaughter
                Reggie Smith
                Sammy Sosa
                Ichiro Suzuki – NYE
                Sam Thompson
                Larry Walker
                Paul Waner
                Dave Winfield


                Managers (60)
                Walter Alston
                Sparky Anderson
                Cap Anson
                Dusty Baker
                Bruce Bochy
                Fred Clarke
                Bobby Cox
                Leo Durocher
                Terry Francona
                Ned Hanlon
                Bucky Harris
                Vic Harris
                Whitey Herzog
                Ralph Houk
                Miller Huggins
                Davey Johnson
                Tetsuharu Kawakami
                Tony La Russa
                Tommy Lasorda
                Jim Leyland
                Al Lopez
                Connie Mack
                Joe Maddon
                Billy Martin
                Joe McCarthy
                John McGraw
                Bill McKechnie
                Shigeru Mizuhara
                Danny Murtaugh
                Lou Piniella
                Mike Scioscia
                Frank Selee
                Billy Southworth
                Casey Stengel
                Candy Jim Taylor
                Joe Torre
                Kazuto Tsuruoka
                Earl Weaver
                Dick Williams
                Harry Wright


                Executives/Pioneers (56)
                Doc Adams
                Sandy Alderson
                Ed Barrow
                Buzzie Bavasi
                Billy Beane
                Ed Bolden
                Sam Breadon
                Brian Cashman
                Henry Chadwick
                Happy Chandler
                Charles Comiskey
                Jim Creighton
                Harry Dalton
                Bill DeWitt Jr.
                Dave Dombrowski
                Barney Dreyfuss
                Jack Dunn
                Theo Epstein
                Charlie Finley
                Rube Foster
                Ford Frick
                Pat Gillick
                Clark Griffith
                John Henry
                John Heydler
                Bob Howsam
                William Hulbert
                Bill James
                Walt Jocketty
                Ban Johnson
                Kenesaw Landis
                Larry MacPhail
                Marvin Miller
                David Neft
                Lefty O’Doul
                Walter O’Malley
                Alex Pompez
                Cum Posey
                Al Reach
                Branch Rickey
                Jacob Ruppert
                Brian Sabean
                John Schuerholz
                Bud Selig
                Matsutaro Shoriki
                Arthur Soden
                Al Spalding
                J.G. Taylor Spink
                George Steinbrenner
                C.I. Taylor
                Bill Veeck
                Louis Wadsworth
                George Weiss
                William Wheaton
                J.L. Wilkinson
                Nicholas Young

                *Elected separately as both a player and a manager - Cap Anson, Fred Clarke, John McGraw, Joe Torre
                *Elected separately as both a player and a executive - Rube Foster, Clark Griffith, Al Spalding
                Last edited by Chadwick; 05-29-2020, 12:34 PM.
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jaxxr View Post
                  Shoeless Joe Jackson would be on my "add" list,
                  what may or may not not have happened some 90 years ago, could be let go, and Joe is dead, he could be "foregiven" if one is so knowing as to be absolutely 100% positve of what happened in the past.

                  To drop Addie Joss is vastly unkind, his untimely death in the prime of life, at the age of 31, should allow some special consideration,
                  however his actual MLB stats are very HOF worthy, without any special consideration;
                  Joss has the best WHIP of any pitcher ever !
                  Joss has the second best ERA of all time !
                  Joss has the fourth best ERA + of any HOF starting pitcher !
                  Joss has the best control via BB/9, of any 20th century pitcher !
                  Joss has the second best shutout percentage of any HOF hurler.
                  Joss has an outstanding .623 W-L %.
                  It's your personal HOF which you'd be submitting on your ballot, so if you want to keep Joss in the HOF and/or add Shoeless Joe, that's perfectly fine.
                  *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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                  • #10
                    Here it is, in all its glory. Like others, I'll be editing mine over time.
                    Aaron, Hank
                    Alexander, Pete
                    Allen, Dick
                    Alomar, Roberto
                    Anson, Cap
                    Appling, Luke
                    Averill, Earl
                    Bagwell, Jeff
                    Baker, Frank
                    Banks, Ernie
                    Bell, Cool Papa
                    Bench, Johnny
                    Berra, Yogi
                    Biggio, Craig
                    Blyleven, Bert
                    Boggs, Wade
                    Bonds, Barry
                    Boyer, Ken
                    Boudreau, Lou
                    Bresnahan, Roger
                    Brett, George
                    Brouthers, Dan
                    Brown, Mordecai
                    Brown, Willard
                    Bunning, Jim
                    Burkett, Jesse
                    Campanella, Roy
                    Carew, Rod
                    Carlton, Steve
                    Carter, Gary
                    Caruthers, Bob
                    Cicotte, Eddie
                    Charleston, Oscar
                    Clarke, Fred
                    Clarkson, John
                    Clemens, Roger
                    Clemente, Roberto
                    Cobb, Ty
                    Cochrane, Mickey
                    Collins, Eddie
                    Collins, Jimmy
                    Connor, Roger
                    Coveleski, Stan
                    Crawford, Sam
                    Cronin, Joe
                    Dahlen, Bill
                    Dandridge, Ray
                    Davis, George
                    Dawson, Andre
                    Delahanty, Ed
                    DiMaggio, Joe
                    Dickey, Bill
                    Dihigo, Martin
                    Doby, Larry
                    Doerr, Bobby
                    Doyle, Larry
                    Drysdale, Don
                    Eckersley, Dennis
                    Evans, Dwight
                    Ewing, Buck
                    Feller, Bob
                    Fingers, Rollie
                    Fisk, Carlton
                    Ford, Whitey
                    Fox, Nellie
                    Foxx, Jimmie
                    Frisch, Frankie
                    Galvin, Pud
                    Gehrig, Lou
                    Gehringer, Charlie
                    Gibson, Bob
                    Gibson, Josh
                    Glasscock, Jack
                    Glavine, Tom
                    Grich, Bobby
                    Gomez, Lefty
                    Goslin, Goose
                    Gossage, Goose
                    Grant, Frank
                    Greenberg, Hank
                    Grove, Lefty
                    Gwynn, Tony
                    Hack, Stan
                    Hamilton, Billy
                    Hartnett, Gabby
                    Heilmann, Harry
                    Henderson, Rickey
                    Herman, Billy
                    Hernandez, Keith
                    Hodges, Gil
                    Hornsby, Rogers
                    Hubbell, Carl
                    Jackson, Joe
                    Jackson, Reggie
                    Jenkins, Ferguson
                    Johnson, Bob L.
                    Johnson, Judy
                    Johnson, Randy
                    Johnson, Walter
                    Joss, Addie
                    Kaline, Al
                    Killebrew, Harmon
                    Keefe, Tim
                    Keeler, Willie
                    Kelly, King
                    Koufax, Sandy
                    Lajoie, Nap
                    Larkin, Barry
                    Lazzeri, Tony
                    Lemon, Bob
                    Leonard, Buck
                    Lloyd, Pop
                    Lombardi, Ernie
                    Lyons, Ted
                    Mackey, Biz
                    Maddux, Greg
                    Magee, Sherry
                    Mantle, Mickey
                    Marichal, Juan
                    Martinez, Edgar
                    Martinez, Pedro
                    Mathews, Eddie
                    Mathewson, Christy
                    Mays, Willie
                    McCovey, Willie
                    McGinnity, Joe
                    McPhee, Bid
                    Medwick, Joe
                    Minoso, Minnie
                    Mize, Johnny
                    Molitor, Paul
                    Morgan, Joe
                    Murray, Eddie
                    Musial, Stan
                    Mussina, Mike
                    Nettles, Graig
                    Newhouser, Hal
                    Nichols, Kid
                    Niekro, Phil
                    Ott, Mel
                    O’Rourke, Jim
                    Paige, Satchel
                    Palmer, Jim
                    Perry, Gaylord
                    Piazza, Mike
                    Plank, Eddie
                    Radbourn, Charlie
                    Reese, Pee Wee
                    Rice, Sam
                    Ripken, Cal
                    Rixey, Eppa
                    Roberts, Robin
                    Robinson, Brooks
                    Robinson, Frank
                    Robinson, Jackie
                    Rogan, Bullet Joe
                    Rose, Pete
                    Rusie, Amos
                    Ruth, Babe
                    Ryan, Nolan
                    Sandberg, Ryne
                    Santo, Ron
                    Santop, Louis
                    Schilling, Curt
                    Schmidt, Mike
                    Seaver, Tom
                    Shocker, Urban
                    Simmons, Al
                    Simmons, Ted
                    Sisler, George
                    Smith, Lee
                    Smith, Ozzie
                    Smith, Reggie
                    Smoltz, John
                    Snider, Duke
                    Spahn, Warren
                    Speaker, Tris
                    Stargell, Willie
                    Stearnes, Turkey
                    Stovey, Harry
                    Suttles, Mule
                    Sutton, Don
                    Terry, Bill
                    Thomas, Frank
                    Thompson, Sam
                    Tinker, Joe
                    Torre, Joe
                    Torriente, Christobal
                    Trammell, Allen
                    Traynor, Pie
                    Vance, Dazzy
                    Vaughan, Arky
                    Waddell, Rube
                    Wagner, Honus
                    Wallace, Bobby
                    Walker, Larry
                    Walsh, Ed
                    Waner, Paul
                    Ward, John
                    Wells, Willie
                    Wheat, Zack
                    Whitaker, Lou
                    White, Deacon
                    Wilhelm, Hoyt
                    Williams, Billy
                    Williams, Cy
                    Williams, Smokey Joe
                    Williams, Ted
                    Wilson, Jud
                    Winfield, Dave
                    Yastrzemski, Carl
                    Young, Cy
                    Yount, Robin

                    Non-Players:
                    Alston, Walter
                    Anderson, Sparky
                    Barrow, Ed
                    Chadwick, Henry
                    Cox, Bobby
                    Durocher, Leo
                    Foster, Rube
                    Harris, Bucky
                    Herzog, Whitey
                    Huggins, Miller
                    James, Bill
                    Johnson, Ban
                    Klem, Bill
                    Landis, Kenesaw
                    LaRussa, Tony
                    Lasorda, Tommy
                    Mack, Connie
                    McGraw, John
                    Miller, Marvin
                    O'Loughlin, Silk
                    Posey, Cum
                    Rice, Grantland
                    Rickey, Branch
                    Scully, Vin
                    Stengel, Casey
                    Spalding, Al
                    Torre, Joe
                    Ward, John
                    Weaver, Earl
                    White, Sol
                    Wright, George
                    Wright, Harry
                    Yawkey, Tom

                    2016 (and beyond):
                    Miguel Cabrera
                    Ken Griffey
                    Vladimir Guerrero
                    Derek Jeter
                    Chipper Jones
                    Albert Pujols
                    Manny Ramirez
                    Mariano Rivera
                    Alex Rodriguez
                    Ivan Rodriguez
                    Ichiro Suzuki
                    Billy Wagner
                    Last edited by Tyrus4189Cobb; 11-13-2014, 10:36 AM.
                    "Allen Sutton Sothoron pitched his initials off today."--1920s article

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                    • #11
                      STLCards2, I'm not trying to be hyper-critical here (rather I just want to start a baseball debate), but I was wondering how you could possibly justify placing Gene Tenace in the Hall of Fame while removing such greats as Pie Traynor, Heinie Manush, and Mickey Welch? Does the 1972 World Series hold that much sway in your vote, or are there other reasons that I'm missing? This is coming from someone who was a big fan of Tenace's, by the way. The choice just seems perplexing to me.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Commissioner View Post
                        STLCards2, I'm not trying to be hyper-critical here (rather I just want to start a baseball debate), but I was wondering how you could possibly justify placing Gene Tenace in the Hall of Fame while removing such greats as Pie Traynor, Heinie Manush, and Mickey Welch? Does the 1972 World Series hold that much sway in your vote, or are there other reasons that I'm missing? This is coming from someone who was a big fan of Tenace's, by the way. The choice just seems perplexing to me.
                        Advanced metrics (esp. WAR) show Tennace as one of the 11-12 greatest catcher ever, and guys like Manush and Traynor being vastly overrated (I am researching to see if WAR is whiffing on Traynor - I wouldn't be surprised if I don't add him back in soon). Welch is not a guy who a large majority of guys feel is a HOFer anyway - without the 300 wins, he wouldn't be considered close. A 112 ERA+ with the number of innings he threw in that era is nothing remarkable. If Welch, why not King or McCormick? I didn't know Manush was supported by many at all. And Tennace is very borderline for me - I could take him out.

                        Also, the HOF as is has a large unbalance of guys elected from pre-WW2, despite housing less than half of the players and no NL or international players like today. I am not saying that HOF talent is evenly distributed perfectly over the decades, but I will never believe that most of those 16 teams had 3-4HOFers on them at a time (more than that from the 1800's) Some from that era have to go, and some "forgotten" guys from the 1970-/1980's should be included. In a 16 team league, there "should" be about 12 HOF players. In a 30 team league, there "should" be about 21 players (again, I am not supporting a perfect bell-curve, but something resembling more of a downward slope is not acceptable). However, according to the way that the HOF is in its current state, the opposite is true. The HOF (sse Vet. Commit.) greatly overrated high average in high average-era guys in lesser positions like Manush and severely underrated great defense, solid offense, great positional adjustment guys from low scoring eras, like Grich, Wynn, and Willie Randolph. I am adjusting for that accordingly. I understand people's disagreements, but I certainly have my reasoning.
                        Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-15-2010, 02:46 PM.
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                        • #13
                          One of the top 12 catchers ever?

                          I have to believe that WAR is giving him a disproportionate amount of wins as a residual result of being the catcher for a great dynasty rather than accurately accounting for how much he contributed to those great teams.

                          As for Manush's lack of support, you are absolutely correct in your observation that he hasn't been supported by many. However, he should be. While I understand that people want to discount players who hit for a high batting average in an era of higher averages, when players are among the top hitters in their league, I would think that would translate into greatness across eras. You can say that relative to modern players his .330 batting average is disproportionately high, but it was still one of the top averages from his era.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The Commissioner View Post
                            One of the top 12 catchers ever?

                            I have to believe that WAR is giving him a disproportionate amount of wins as a residual result of being the catcher for a great dynasty rather than accurately accounting for how much he contributed to those great teams.

                            As for Manush's lack of support, you are absolutely correct in your observation that he hasn't been supported by many. However, he should be. While I understand that people want to discount players who hit for a high batting average in an era of higher averages, when players are among the top hitters in their league, I would think that would translate into greatness across eras. You can say that relative to modern players his .330 batting average is disproportionately high, but it was still one of the top averages from his era.
                            WAR cares nothing about the team he is on - in fact WAR is created to eliminate all factors outside of a player's own control. Here is a link:http://www.baseballprojection.com/war/playerindex.htm

                            As far as Manush, his OPS+ was 121. He played left field (and not very well), didn't run, and his average is only .04 points higher than league average (.290). It would be like a below average fielding and running LF today who hits .315 with only moderate power. Good player, but no HOFer. He couldn't even get 10% support from the BBWAA. Those who saw him closest didn't even feel he was close and advanced stats say he wasn't close. When both sides of the spectrum agree like that (not to mention a vast majority of the spectrum crossing members here), it is a closed case, in my book.

                            More on Welch: he did finish in the top 5 in ERA 3 times (not very strong in itself), but considering there were less than 20 regular starters during those years, a HOF argument is pretty difficult.
                            Last edited by Bothrops Atrox; 04-15-2010, 04:08 PM.
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                            • #15
                              Surely I can't be the first to have said this, but, "WAR: what is it good for?" (Seriously, I have no opinion on the statistic.) Anyway, if we get one more participant, I'll start listing the running totals in the first post.
                              *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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