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  • Revised Person Hall of Fame Ballot

    Hello all,

    Just wanted to update my person rankings.

    Hank Aaron*^
    Pete Alexander*
    Dick Allen
    Roberto Alomar*
    Cap Anson*
    Kevin Appier
    Luke Appling*
    Richie Ashburn*
    Jeff Bagwell
    Home Run Baker*
    Dave Bancroft*
    Ernie Banks*^
    Ross Barnes
    John Beckwith^
    Buddy Bell
    Johnny Bench*
    Charlie Bennett
    Yogi Berra*
    Akira Bessho
    Craig Biggio
    Bert Blyleven*
    Wade Boggs*
    Tommy Bond
    Barry Bonds
    Lou Boudreau*
    Roger Bresnahan*
    Kevin Brown
    George Brett*
    Dan Brouthers*
    Mordecai Brown*
    Raymond Brown*^
    Jim Bunning*
    Jesse Burkett*
    Roy Campanella*^
    Bert Campaneris
    Max Carey*
    Rod Carew*
    Steve Carlton*
    Gary Carter*
    Perucho Cepeda^
    Oscar Charleston*^
    Cupid Childs
    Eddie Cicotte
    Will Clark
    Fred Clarke*
    John Clarkson*
    Roger Clemens
    Roberto Clemente*
    Ty Cobb*
    Mickey Cochrane*
    Eddie Collins*
    Jimmy Collins*
    David Cone
    Roger Connor*
    Stan Coveleski*
    Gavvy Cravath
    Sam Crawford*
    Joe Cronin*
    Bill Dahlen
    George Davis*
    Andre Dawson*
    Ed Delahanty*
    Bill Dickey*
    Martin Dihigo*^
    Joe DiMaggio*
    Larry Doby*^
    Bobby Doerr*
    Don Drysdale*
    Dennis Eckersley*
    Dwight Evans
    Darrell Evans
    Buck Ewing*
    Red Faber*
    Bob Feller*
    Wes Ferrell
    Carlton Fisk*
    Art Fletcher
    Elmer Flick*
    Whitey Ford*
    Bill Foster*^
    Rube Foster°^
    Jimmie Foxx*
    Frankie Frisch*
    Pud Galvin*
    Lou Gehrig*
    Charlie Gehringer*
    Bob Gibson*
    Josh Gibson*^
    Jack Glasscock
    Dwight Gooden
    Joe Gordon*
    George Gore
    Goose Goslin*
    Rich Gossage*
    Frank Grant*^
    Hank Greenberg*
    Bobby Grich
    Clark Griffith°
    Heinie Groh
    Lefty Grove*
    Tony Gwynn*
    Billy Hamilton*
    Isao Harimoto
    Gabby Hartnett*
    Harry Heilmann*
    Rickey Henderson*
    Billy Herman*
    Keith Hernandez
    Pete Hill*^
    Paul Hines
    Rogers Hornsby*
    Carl Hubbell*
    Kazuhisa Inao
    Monte Irvin*^
    Reggie Jackson*
    Shoeless Joe Jackso
    Fergie Jenkins*
    Hughie Jennings*
    Grant Johnson^
    Walter Johnson*
    Charley Jones
    Al Kaline*
    Masaichi Kaneda
    Tetsuharu Kawakami
    Tim Keefe*
    Willie Keeler*
    Charlie Keller
    Joe Kelley*
    King Kelly*
    Harmon Killebrew*
    Sandy Koufax*
    Masaaki Koyama
    Nap Lajoie*
    Barry Larkin*
    Tommy Leach
    Buck Leonard*^
    Omar Linares
    Pop Lloyd*^
    Kenny Lofton
    Dick Lundy^
    Ted Lyons*
    Biz Mackey*^
    Sherry Magee
    Mickey Mantle*
    Juan Marichal*
    Edgar Martinez
    Eddie Mathews*
    Christy Mathewson*
    Willie Mays*^
    Willie McCovey*
    Joe McGinnity*
    John McGraw°
    Mark McGwire
    Bid McPhee*
    Cal McVey
    Jose Mendez*^
    Minnie Minoso^
    Johnny Mize*
    Paul Molitor*
    Joe Morgan*
    Thurman Munson
    Eddie Murray*
    Stan Musial*
    Shigeo Nagashima
    Graig Nettles
    Don Newcombe^
    Hal Newhouser*
    Kid Nichols*
    Katsuya Nomura
    Phil Niekro*
    Hiromitsu Ochiai
    Sadaharu Oh
    Alejandro Oms^
    Jim O'Rourke*
    Mel Ott*
    Satchel Paige*^
    Rafael Palmeiro
    Jim Palmer*
    Dickey Pearce
    Gaylord Perry*
    Johnny Pesky
    Mike Piazza
    Billy Pierce
    Lip Pike
    Eddie Plank*
    Old Hoss Radbourn*
    Tim Raines
    Willie Randolph
    Pee Wee Reese*
    Rick Reuschel
    Hardy Richardson
    Cal Ripken*
    Phil Rizzuto*
    Robin Roberts*
    Brooks Robinson*
    Frank Robinson*
    Jackie Robinson*^
    Bullet Rogan*^
    Pete Rose
    Red Ruffing*
    Amos Rusie*
    Babe Ruth*
    Nolan Ryan*
    Bret Saberhagen
    Ryne Sandberg*
    Ron Santo*
    Louis Santop*^
    Curt Schilling
    Mike Schmidt*
    Tom Seaver*
    Joe Sewell*
    Jimmy Sheckard
    Urban Shocker
    Al Simmons*
    Ted Simmons
    George Sisler*
    Enos Slaughter*
    Hilton Smith*^
    Ozzie Smith*
    Reggie Smith
    Duke Snider*
    Sammy Sosa
    Warren Spahn*
    Al Spalding°
    Tris Speaker*
    Victor Starffin
    Willie Stargell*
    Joe Start
    Turkey Stearnes*^
    Dave Stieb
    Mule Suttles*^
    Don Sutton*
    Ezra Sutton
    Bill Terry*
    Cristobal Torriente
    Alan Trammell
    Quincy Trouppe^
    Dazzy Vance*
    Arky Vaughan*
    Bobby Veach
    Rube Waddell*
    Honus Wagner*
    Larry Walker
    Bobby Wallace*
    Ed Walsh*
    Paul Waner*
    Monte Ward*
    Willie Wells*^
    Zack Wheat*
    Lou Whitaker
    Deacon White
    Hoyt Wilhelm*
    Billy Williams*
    Joe Williams*^
    Ted Williams*
    Ned Williamson
    Vic Willis*
    Jud Wilson*^
    Dave Winfield*
    George Wright°
    Early Wynn*
    Jim Wynn
    Carl Yastrzemski*
    Cy Young*
    Robin Yount*

    Not yet eligible for the Hall of Fame, but worthy:
    Carlos Beltran
    Jim Edmonds
    Jason Giambi
    Brian Giles
    Tom Glavine
    Ken Griffey
    Vladimir Guerrero
    Roy Halladay
    Todd Helton
    Derek Jeter
    Randy Johnson
    Chipper Jones
    Greg Maddux
    Pedro Martinez
    Mike Mussina
    Jorge Posada
    Albert Pujols
    Manny Ramirez
    Mariano Rivera
    Alex Rodriguez
    Ivan Rodriguez
    Scott Rolen
    CC Sabathia
    Johan Santana
    Gary Sheffield
    John Smoltz
    Ichiro Suzuki
    Frank Thomas
    Jim Thome

    Newly elected are:
    Tommy Bond
    Eddie Cicotte
    Art Fletcher
    Doc Gooden
    Charley Jones
    Johan Santana
    Bill Terry
    Bobby Veach
    George Uhle

    The next are in the consideration set, notes have been made for those who have moved out of the personal hall since my last update (DOWN) and those moved onto the consideration set (UP)


    Bobby Abreu
    Babe Adams DOWN
    Buzz Arlett
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell
    Albert Belle UP
    Adrian Beltre UP
    Lance Berkman
    Bobby Bonds
    Ken Boyer
    Tommy Bridges
    Willard Brown
    Pete Browning UP
    Charlie Buffinton
    Miguel Cabrera UP
    Bob Caruthers DOWN
    Norm Cash
    Ron Cey
    Bus Clarkson
    David Concepcion
    Wilbur Cooper
    Jose Cruz
    Kiki Cuyler
    Dizzy Dean
    Fred Dunlap
    Luke Easter
    Yutaka Enatsu
    Chuck Finley
    Davy Force
    Bill Freehan DOWN
    Jim Fregosi
    Burleigh Grimes UP
    Stan Hack DOWN
    Orel Hershiser DOWN
    Trevor Hoffman
    Elston Howard UP
    Tim Hudson UP
    Tommy John
    Bob Johnson
    Andruw Jones
    Jeff Kent
    Ralph Kiner
    Jerry Koosman UP
    Chet Lemon
    Joe Mauer DOWN
    Joe Medwick
    Bill Monroe DOWN
    Dobie Moore
    Tony Mullane
    Roy Oswalt
    Andy Pettitte UP
    Dick Redding
    Eppa Rixey
    Harry Stovey
    Ben Taylor
    Gene Tenace
    Sam Thompson
    Luis Tiant
    Joe Tinker UP
    Joe Torre
    Chase Utley
    Roy White UP
    Jim Whitney
    Bernie Williams
    Tetsuya Yoneda

    I would like to elect at least one more 19th century hurler, but I have trouble trusting the metrics.
    Anecdotely/reputation wise, does anyone standout amongst:
    Caruthers, Whitney, McCormick, or Welch?

    P.S. - Matthew C - can you update the most recent hall of fame eligibles - I like to compare my choices to yours.

    Tentative attempt at contributors:
    A. J. Reach
    Al Barlick
    Al Lopez
    Alexander Cartwright
    Ban Johnson
    Ben Shibe
    Bill James
    Bill Klem
    Bill McKechnie
    Bill Veeck
    Billy Evans
    Billy Martin
    Billy Southworth
    Bob Davids
    Bob Ferguson
    Bobby Cox
    Branch Rickey
    Buck Canel
    Buck O’Neil
    C. I. Taylor
    Casey Stengel
    Charles Comiskey
    Charles Conlon
    Connie Mack
    Cum Posey
    David Neft
    Dick Williams
    Doc Adams
    Doug Harvey
    Earl Weaver
    Ed Barrow
    Ed Bolden
    Ford Frick
    Francis Richter
    Frank Chance
    Frank Selee
    George Steinbrenner
    George Weiss
    Harry Wright
    Henry Chadwick
    Iso Abe
    J. L. Wilkinson
    J.G. Taylor Spink
    Jack Dunn
    Jacob Ruppert
    Jim Creighton
    Jocko Conlan
    Joe McCarthy
    John Schierholtz
    Kazuto Tsuruoaka
    Kenesaw Landis
    Larry MacPhail
    Leo Durocher
    Marvin Miller
    Matsutaro Shoriki
    Mel Allen
    Miller Huggins
    Ned Hanlon
    O. P. Caylor
    Pat Gillick
    Red Barber
    Shigeru Mizuhara
    Sol White
    Sparky Anderson
    Tetsuharu Kawakami
    Tom Connolly
    Tommy Lasorda
    Tony LaRussa
    Vic Harris
    Vin Scully
    Walter Alston
    Walter O'Malley
    Whitey Herzog
    William Hulbert
    Last edited by Jar of Flies; 01-11-2013, 07:25 AM.
    Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
    http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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    • Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post

      P.S. - Matthew C - can you update the most recent hall of fame eligibles - I like to compare my choices to yours.
      Mine has changed a lot since I did it a few years ago. I might try to get around to posting an update here soon.
      1885 1886 1926 1931 1934 1942 1944 1946 1964 1967 1982 2006 2011

      1887 1888 1928 1930 1943 1968 1985 1987 2004 2013

      1996 2000 2001 2002 2005 2009 2012 2014 2015


      The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
      The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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      • Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
        Mine has changed a lot since I did it a few years ago. I might try to get around to posting an update here soon.
        I'd be much obliged if you would.
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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        • Thanks for the update, Jar of Flies.

          I tabulated the votes again. Unusually, no change to the Hall of Fame here. Six contributors dropped out of the Hall of Honor: Happy Chandler, Bucky Harris, John Heydler, Alex Pompez, Lou Piniella, and Joe Torre.

          More votes for the vote god!
          *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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          • Overlooked joe torre and alex pompez on the contributors, please add
            Last edited by Jar of Flies; 01-12-2013, 09:48 PM.
            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

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            • Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
              Overlooked joe torre and alex pompez on the contributors, please add
              Got it. So after a brief stint outside the Hall of Honor, both men are back in.
              *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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              • Not doing Negro League or Pioneers. I'm also not touching active players, but only retired (or those who appear like they are about to be retired). + means they are retired (or i think they are about to be) and I will put them in my HOF as soon as eligible. I don't abide by 10 year minimum play time, nor the ineligible list. Additionally, I break down by position which means I had to make some judgment calls on which position I consider some players. This may've caused me to miss some dual position players, like I nearly forgot Musial.


                Pitchers (80 + 4)

                Cy Young
                Walter Johnson
                Schilling
                Seaver
                Grove
                Nichols
                Alexander
                Clemens
                Niekro
                Mathewson
                Blyleven
                Perry
                Spahn
                Plank
                Carlton
                Clarkson
                Keefe
                Galvin
                Bob Gibson
                Jenkins
                Nolan Ryan
                Robin Roberts
                Vic Willis
                Sutton
                Palmer
                Kevin Brown
                Reuschel
                Rusie
                Hubbell
                Radbourn
                Jim McCormick
                Faber
                Tiant
                Lyons
                Coveleski
                Vance
                Feller
                Walsh
                Welch
                Eckersley
                Cone
                Marichal
                Spalding
                Waddell
                Drysdale
                Koufax
                Ford
                Three Finger Brown
                Rixey
                Mullane
                Newhouser
                Bunning
                McGinnity
                Ruffing
                Wes Ferrell
                Wynn
                Joss
                Wilhelm
                Gossage
                Caruthers
                Bucky Walters
                Hershiser
                Shocker
                Babe Adams
                B Pierce
                W Cooper
                Noodles Hahn
                Dizzy Dean
                Dave Stieb
                C Griffith
                Tommy John
                Saberhagen
                Appier
                Cicotte
                Maddux
                Glavine
                Mussina
                Smoltz
                Pedro Martinez
                R Johnson

                +M Rivera
                +Halladay
                +Oswalt
                +Pettitte

                Catcher (18 + 1)
                Bench
                Carter
                Berra
                Dickey
                Torre
                Piazza
                Fisk
                Hartnett
                Cochrane
                Simmons
                Tenace
                Lombardi
                Schang
                Munson
                Ewing
                Bresnahan
                Campanella
                C Bennett

                +Ivan Rodriguez

                1B (18 + 2)
                Gehrig
                Foxx
                Connor
                Anson
                Brouthers
                Bagwell
                Mize
                Murray
                McCovey
                Palmeiro
                Killebrew
                Sisler
                Terry
                Greenberg
                K Hernandez
                D Allen
                W Clark
                Beckley


                +Thome
                +Helton

                2B (20)
                Hornsby
                Eddie Collins
                Lajoie
                Morgan
                Whitaker
                Frisch
                Grich
                Gehringer
                Sandberg
                Alomar
                Biggio
                Jackie Robinson
                Willie Randolph
                Joe Gordon
                Billy Herman
                Bid McPhee
                Carew
                Ross Barnes
                Hardy Richardson
                Jeff Kent

                3B (18 + 2)
                Schmidt
                Mathews
                Boggs
                Brett
                Brooks Robinson
                Nettles
                Buddy Bell
                Santo
                Home Run Baker
                Boyer
                Bando
                Deacon White
                Darrell Evans
                McGraw
                Heinie Groh
                Jimmy Collins
                Bob Elliott
                Stan Hack

                +Rolen
                + Jones

                SS (18 + 1)
                Wagner
                Ripken
                George Davis
                Yount
                Dahlen
                Ozzie Smith
                Vaughan
                Larkin
                Trammell
                Appling
                Wallace
                Reese
                Banks
                Cronin
                Glasscock
                Boudreau
                Monte Ward
                Jennings

                +Jeter

                LF (23 + 1)
                Musial
                T Williams
                B Williams
                Henderson
                Delahanty
                Yaz
                Rose
                Raines
                Simmons
                Clarke
                Goslin
                Burkett
                Wheat
                Sherry Magee
                Stargell
                Indian Bob Johnson
                Medwick
                Minoso
                Joe Kelley
                Kiner
                Bonds
                O'Rourke
                Stovey

                +Manny Ramirez

                CF (19 + 2)
                Mays
                Cobb
                Speaker
                Mantle
                Snider
                Hamilton
                DiMaggio
                Ashburn
                Carey
                Doby
                Averill
                Dawson
                Reggie Smith
                Paul Hines
                George Gore
                Lofton
                Puckett
                Pete Browning
                Willie Davis

                +Griffey
                +Edmonds
                +andruw Jones

                RF (22 + 2)
                Aaron
                Ott
                Ruth
                Winfield
                Slaughter
                Keeler
                Flick
                Shoeless Jackson
                King Kelly
                Frank Robinson
                Sam Thompson
                Dwight Evans
                Gwynn
                Heilmann
                Reggie Jackson
                Larry Walker
                Paul Waner
                Sam Crawford
                Kaline
                Clemente
                Bobby Bonds
                Sheffield

                +Vlad Guerrero
                +Abreu

                DH (3)
                Molitor
                Edgar Martinez
                Frank Thomas
                Last edited by baltimorechop; 02-27-2015, 10:20 AM. Reason: clean up

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                • I am new to the project and will be adding a group every couple of days until my list is complete.I will make a list for Negro League, Mexican League and other leagues as I get time.

                  Catchers -

                  Johnny Bench
                  Charlie Bennett
                  Yogi Berra
                  Roger Bresnahan
                  Roy Campanella
                  Gary Carter
                  Mickey Cochrane
                  Bill Dickey
                  Buck Ewing
                  Carlton Fisk
                  Bill Freehan
                  Gabby Hartnett
                  Elston Howard
                  Ernie Lombardi
                  Thurman Munson
                  Lance Parrish
                  Mike Piazza
                  Wally Schang
                  Ted Simmons
                  Joe Torre
                  Deacon White

                  1st Base -

                  Cap Anson
                  Dick Allen
                  Jeff Bagwell
                  Jake Beckley
                  Dan Brouthers
                  Orlando Cepeda
                  Frank Chance
                  Will Clark
                  Roger Connor
                  Jimmie Foxx
                  Lou Gehrig
                  Hank Greenberg
                  Keith Hernandez
                  Gil Hodges
                  Harmon Killebrew
                  Willie McCovey
                  Fred McGriff
                  Cal McVey
                  Mark McGwire
                  Johnny Mize
                  Eddie Murray
                  Rafael Palmeiro
                  Tony Perez
                  George Sisler
                  Joe Start
                  Bill Terry
                  Hal Trosky

                  2nd Base -

                  Roberto Alomar
                  Ross Barnes
                  Craig Biggio
                  Rod Carew
                  Cupid Childs
                  Eddie Collins
                  Bobby Doerr
                  Larry Doyle
                  Frankie Frisch
                  Charlie Gehringer
                  Bobby Grich
                  Joe Gordon
                  Billy Herman
                  Rogers Hornsby
                  Jeff Kent
                  Nap Lajoie
                  Tony Lazzeri
                  Bid McPhee
                  Joe Morgan
                  Willie Randolph
                  Hardy Richardson
                  Jackie Robinson
                  Ryne Sandberg
                  Lou Whitaker
                  Frank White

                  Shortstops -

                  Luke Appling
                  Ernie Banks
                  Lou Boudreau
                  Joe Cronin
                  Bill Dahlen
                  George Davis
                  Jack Glasscock
                  Hughie Jennings
                  Barry Larkin
                  Dickey Pearce
                  Pee Wee Reese
                  Cal Ripken Jr.
                  Ozzie Smith
                  Vern Stephens
                  Alan Trammell
                  Arky Vaughan
                  Honus Wagner
                  John Montgomery Ward
                  George Wright
                  Robin Yount

                  3rd Base -

                  Frank Baker
                  Sal Bando
                  Wade Boggs
                  Ken Boyer
                  George Brett
                  Jimmy Collins
                  Bob Elliott
                  Darrell Evans
                  Heinie Groh
                  Stan Hack
                  Tommy Leach
                  Edgar Martinez
                  Eddie Mathews
                  John McGraw
                  Paul Molitor
                  Graig Nettles
                  Brooks Robinson
                  Al Rosen
                  Ron Santo
                  Mike Schmidt
                  Ezra Sutton
                  Pie Traynor


                  Left Fielders -

                  Albert Belle
                  Barry Bonds
                  Lou Brock
                  Jesse Burkett
                  Fred Clarke
                  Gavvy Cravath
                  Ed Delahanty
                  Goose Goslin
                  Rickey Henderson
                  Monte Irvin
                  Shoeless Joe Jackson
                  Bob Johnson
                  Ralph Kiner
                  Sherry Magee
                  Joe Medwick
                  Minnie Minoso
                  Stan Musial
                  Jim O'Rourke
                  Tim Raines
                  Jimmy Sheckard
                  Al Simmons
                  Willie Stargell
                  Harry Stovey
                  Zach Wheat
                  Billy Williams
                  Ted Williams
                  Carl Yastrzemski


                  Center Fielders -

                  Richie Ashburn
                  Earl Averill
                  Wally Berger
                  Max Carey
                  Ty Cobb
                  Joe DiMaggio
                  Larry Doby
                  Hugh Duffy
                  George Gore
                  Billy Hamilton
                  Paul Hines
                  Kenny Lofton
                  Fred Lynn
                  Mickey Mantle
                  Willie Mays
                  Dale Murphy
                  Tony Oliva
                  Lip Pike
                  Vada Pinson
                  Kirby Puckett
                  Edd Roush
                  Duke Snider
                  Tris Speaker
                  George Van Haltren
                  Hack Wilson
                  Jimmy Wynn


                  Right Fielders -

                  Hank Aaron
                  Bobby Bonds
                  Harold Baines
                  Roberto Clemente
                  Sam Crawford
                  Andre Dawson
                  Dwight Evans
                  Tony Gwynn
                  Harry Heilmann
                  Reggie Jackson
                  Al Kaline
                  Willie Keeler
                  King Kelly
                  Mel Ott
                  Frank Robinson
                  Pete Rose
                  Babe Ruth
                  Enos Slaughter
                  Reggie Smith
                  Sammy Sosa
                  Sam Thompson
                  Paul Waner
                  Larry Walker
                  Dave Winfield

                  Starting Pitchers -

                  Grover Cleveland Alexander
                  Chief Bender
                  Vida Blue
                  Bert Blyleven
                  Tommy Bridges
                  Mordecai Brown
                  Jim Bunning
                  Steve Carlton
                  Bob Caruthers
                  Eddie Cicotte
                  John Clarkson
                  Roger Clemens
                  David Cone
                  Wilbur Cooper
                  Stan Coveleski
                  Jim Creighton
                  Dizzy Dean
                  Don Drysdale
                  Red Faber
                  Bob Feller
                  Wes Ferrell
                  Whitey Ford
                  Pud Galvin
                  Bob Gibson
                  Lefty Gomez
                  Dwight Gooden
                  Clark Griffith
                  Burleigh Grimes
                  Lefty Grove
                  Carl Hubbell
                  Catfish Hunter
                  Fergie Jenkins
                  Tommy John
                  Walter Johnson
                  Addie Joss
                  Jim Kaat
                  Tim Keefe
                  Silver King
                  Sandy Koufax
                  Bob Lemon
                  Ted Lyons
                  Juan Marichal
                  Bobby Mathews
                  Christy Mathewson
                  Carl Mays
                  Joe McGinnity
                  Jack Morris
                  Tony Mullane
                  Don Newcombe
                  Hal Newhouser
                  Kid Nichols
                  Phil Niekro
                  Jim Palmer
                  Gaylord Perry
                  Billy Pierce
                  Eddie Plank
                  Charley Radbourn
                  Eppa Rixey
                  Robin Roberts
                  Red Ruffing
                  Amos Rusie
                  Babe Ruth
                  Nolan Ryan
                  Bret Saberhagen
                  Curt Schilling
                  Tom Seaver
                  Urban Shocker
                  Warren Spahn
                  Dave Stieb
                  Don Sutton
                  Luis Tiant
                  Dazzy Vance
                  Rube Waddell
                  Ed Walsh
                  Mickey Welch
                  Vic Willis
                  Joe Wood
                  Wilbur Wood
                  Early Wynn
                  Cy Young


                  Relievers -

                  Dennis Eckersley
                  Rollie Fingers
                  John Franco
                  Goose Gossage
                  Tom Henke
                  Doug Jones
                  Mike Marshall
                  Firpo Mayberry
                  Tug McGraw
                  Jesse Orosco
                  Jeff Reardon
                  Lee Smith
                  Bruce Sutter
                  Dan Quisenberry
                  John Wetteland
                  Hoyt Wilhelm


                  Negro, Mexican, Cuban, and Japanese League Players -

                  Cool Papa Bell
                  Akira Bessho
                  Ray Brown
                  Willard Brown
                  Perucho Cepeda
                  Oscar Charleston
                  Andy Cooper
                  Ray Dandridge
                  Leon Day
                  Martin DiHigo
                  Bill Foster
                  Rube Foster
                  Josh Gibson
                  Frank Grant
                  Pete Hill
                  Judy Johnson
                  Masaichi Kaneda
                  Buck Leonard
                  John Henry Lloyd
                  Dick Lundy
                  Biz Mackey
                  Jose Mendez
                  Dobie Moore
                  Katsuya Nomura
                  Sadaharu Oh
                  Alejandro Oms
                  Satchel Paige
                  Spotswood Poles
                  Double Duty Radcliffe
                  Dick Redding
                  Louis Santop
                  Hilton Smith
                  Victor Starffin
                  Turkey Stearnes
                  Mule Suttles
                  Quincy Trouppe
                  Bullet Rogan
                  Ben Taylor
                  Cristobal Torriente
                  Joe Williams
                  Jud Wilson


                  Managers -

                  Walter Alston
                  Sparky Anderson
                  Leo Durocher
                  Ned Hanlon
                  Bucky Harris
                  Whitey Herzog
                  Miller Huggins
                  Tommy Lasorda
                  Al Lopez
                  Connie Mack
                  Billy Martin
                  Joe McCarthy
                  John McGraw
                  Bill McKechnie
                  Danny Murtaugh
                  Frank Selee
                  Billy Southworth
                  Casey Stengel
                  Earl Weaver
                  Dick Williams
                  Harry Wright


                  Executives/Pioneers -

                  Doc Adams
                  Ed Barrow
                  Alexander Cartwright
                  Henry Chadwick
                  Happy Chandler
                  Jack Dunn
                  John B. Foster
                  Rube Foster
                  Pat Gillick
                  John Heydler
                  William Hulbert
                  Ban Johnson
                  Bill Klem
                  Kenesaw M. Landis
                  Larry MacPhail
                  Effa Manley
                  Marvin Miller
                  Walter O'Malley
                  Alex Pompez
                  Cum Posey
                  Branch Rickey
                  Jacob Ruppert
                  John Schuerholz
                  Albert Goodwill Spalding
                  J.G. Taylor Spink
                  George Steinbrenner
                  Bill Veeck
                  George Weiss
                  Sol White
                  J.L. Wilkinson

                  Future Hall of Fame Contenders -

                  Catchers -
                  Joe Mauer (active)
                  Jorge Posada (active)
                  Ivan Rodriguez (active)

                  First Basemen -
                  Todd Helton (active)
                  Albert Pujols (active)
                  Frank Thomas (2008)
                  Jim Thome (active)
                  Joey Votto (active)

                  Second Basemen -
                  Robinson Cano (active)
                  Jeff Kent (2008)

                  Third Basemen -
                  Chipper Jones (active)
                  Scott Rolen (active)
                  David Wright (active)

                  Shortstops -
                  Derek Jeter (active)
                  Alex Rodriguez (active)

                  Left Fielders -
                  Manny Ramirez (2011)

                  Center Fielders -
                  Jim Edmonds (2010)
                  Ken Griffey Jr. (2010)
                  Andruw Jones (active)

                  Right Fielders -
                  Vladimir Guerrero (active)
                  Gary Sheffield (2009)
                  Ichiro Suzuki (active)


                  Starting Pitchers -
                  Tom Glavine (2008)
                  Roy Halladay (active)
                  Randy Johnson (2009)
                  Greg Maddux (2008)
                  Pedro Martinez (2009)
                  Mike Mussina (2008)
                  John Smoltz (2009)

                  Relief Pitchers -
                  Trevor Hoffman (2010)
                  Mariano Rivera (active)
                  Billy Wagner (2010)

                  Managers -
                  Bobby Cox (2010)
                  Terry Francona (active)
                  Tony LaRussa (active)
                  Lou Piniella (2010)
                  Joe Torre (2010)

                  Executives/Pioneers -
                  Billy Beane (active)
                  Bill James (active)
                  Last edited by Richard Stark; 01-29-2013, 11:31 PM.

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                  • Wow, two new ballots! Thanks, guys. I'll update the totals soon. Richard, I'll probably hold off on adding yours until you get everybody in. No rush. It's just easier for me to tabulate that way.
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                    • It looks like I kicked Puckett out, but got Keith Hernandez in!

                      I'm shocked that Bobby Grich doesn't collectivey have 75%, but i'll get him (and Rixey & Faber) really close to in. I'm biased toward reds, but i am surprised that Red Faber isn't thought a little higher of.

                      If anyone notices a multi-position player I may've overlooked, please tell me. I totally missed Dick Allen and Stan Musial because I did my hall of fame by position (as I was doing this I thought of others like Rose, Banks, Carew, Killebrew, King Kelly as I went, but probably forgot someone else important).

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                      • Updated again. Keith Hernandez is back in the Hall now.

                        Any more...?
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                        • Originally posted by baltimorechop View Post
                          It looks like I kicked Puckett out, but got Keith Hernandez in!

                          I'm shocked that Bobby Grich doesn't collectivey have 75%, but i'll get him (and Rixey & Faber) really close to in. I'm biased toward reds, but i am surprised that Red Faber isn't thought a little higher of.

                          .
                          Faber had two great years, one really good year and a whole lot of blah. No thanks. Rixey was Faber, but downgrading the two great years with two good years. Double no thanks.
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                          • Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                            Faber had two great years, one really good year and a whole lot of blah. No thanks. Rixey was Faber, but downgrading the two great years with two good years. Double no thanks.
                            I will grant you only two superb year and a lot of compiling. (I come off as combatative a lot, but I'm trying to start a rousing argument here). I noticed that you put in Tommy Bridges (and you have posts where you reference WAR without being overly skeptical). I see Tommy Bridges with 126 ERA+ in over 2800 IP. Of course, Faber pitched far longer, but if you only look at until 1925 he has about 15 fewer IP than Bridges with a 125 ERA+. His WAR at this point in his career is 44.7 compared to bridges 48.1. The difference is, Faber's peak is far higher than Bridges (a 10 and 8 WAR season, where Bridges has just a 6 and a 5).

                            Now, you can definitely counter that Bridges was more often in the top 5 pitchers in his league, but never was he first or second. Faber was first one year, and second another. Then it comes down to how you value peak. I guess I'm making the argument that Faber did very nearly what Bridges did, but then added another 17 war and 1200+ IP at a 109 ERA+. I did let in a few pitchers like Bridges, but I usually was looking for them to be a little more dominant in exchange for their shorter careers.

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                            • Originally posted by baltimorechop View Post
                              I will grant you only two superb year and a lot of compiling. (I come off as combatative a lot, but I'm trying to start a rousing argument here). I noticed that you put in Tommy Bridges (and you have posts where you reference WAR without being overly skeptical). I see Tommy Bridges with 126 ERA+ in over 2800 IP. Of course, Faber pitched far longer, but if you only look at until 1925 he has about 15 fewer IP than Bridges with a 125 ERA+. His WAR at this point in his career is 44.7 compared to bridges 48.1. The difference is, Faber's peak is far higher than Bridges (a 10 and 8 WAR season, where Bridges has just a 6 and a 5).

                              Now, you can definitely counter that Bridges was more often in the top 5 pitchers in his league, but never was he first or second. Faber was first one year, and second another. Then it comes down to how you value peak. I guess I'm making the argument that Faber did very nearly what Bridges did, but then added another 17 war and 1200+ IP at a 109 ERA+. I did let in a few pitchers like Bridges, but I usually was looking for them to be a little more dominant in exchange for their shorter careers.
                              I no longer support Bridges. May have been an over-site the first time, as I never remember supporting him. I had to check my original list to see that he was really on there. They are both in the 80's or so all-time for me. Faber did have the bigger peak, but Bridges had a lot more quality secondary seasons and missed two seasons due to military service. Slight edge in league quality too. I think those things balance out the two big Faber years. Either way, you are right, they are pretty close. Still not sure how Bridges snuck on my list.
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                              • Originally posted by Matthew C. View Post
                                I no longer support Bridges. May have been an over-site the first time, as I never remember supporting him. I had to check my original list to see that he was really on there. They are both in the 80's or so all-time for me. Faber did have the bigger peak, but Bridges had a lot more quality secondary seasons and missed two seasons due to military service. Slight edge in league quality too. I think those things balance out the two big Faber years. Either way, you are right, they are pretty close. Still not sure how Bridges snuck on my list.
                                So I should drop Bridges from your ballot?
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