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  • Baseball Fever Hall of Fame - 2010 Election Discussion Forum

    The close of another exciting season of Major League Baseball means it's time for another round of debate over the greatest players in the game's history. That's right! It's time for the 2010 edition of the Baseball Fever Hall of Fame!

    If you're new to the BBFHoF - or just need to brush up on things since it's been a while - I suggest you spend some time perusing the threads listed below. This is a discussion only thread and I'm going to be posting information and data with links in this post so feel free to refer to this for additional information. Others who want to post or link analysis and/or discussion are strongly encouraged to do so in this thread. The voting thread will be posted in November so we've got a few weeks to start sorting through the available candidates and sharing our thoughts before the voting booth opens.

    Here's to another great election season! Happy hunting!
    Last edited by Chadwick; 10-22-2010, 03:53 PM.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

  • #2
    Preface
    The Baseball Fever Hall of Fame (BBFHoF) was established to honor the greatest players and contributors in the History of Baseball through a series of annual elections held between the end of the regular season and the announcement of the annual BBWAA elections to Cooperstown.

    Participation
    Baseball Fever posters in good standing are eligible (and strongly encouraged) to participate in both the discussion and voting phases of the election. Those who do are, by their participation, agreeing to these rules. We work on the simple premise of “one man, one vote” wherein the Director of the BBFHoF retains the right to strike from the official record additional ballots cast by anyone attempting to pass off multiple ballots from the same individual. Towards that end, if two or more actual individuals intend to cast their respective ballots from the same IP address, it must be cleared with me in advance. Those who oversee the elections process operate said process with integrity and we expect all of our participants to conduct themselves both civilly and honorably.

    Process
    There are two elections, held simultaneously, each year. A discussion thread will be opened to facilitate discussion of candidates and answer questions that might arise about the elections process or candidate eligibility. This thread will remain open throughout the elections process. No “ballots” in this thread however will be tallied in the official count at election time. The voting thread will be open for voting in November. Election results will be posted shortly thereafter.

    Candidates eligible for the Players Election must meet one or more of the following criteria to be eligible to receive votes: a) the player has not appeared on the 40-man roster or the Disabled List in the most recent season, b) the player is officially retired (or dead) by September 1 of the last completed season, c) the player is over 40 and did not play in the most recent completed season. Players are to be considered on the basis of their performance and its impact on their team/s. Ballots cast in the Players Election may list up to 25 eligible candidates.

    Candidates eligible for the Contributors Election must either be retired or at least 60 years of age by the completion of the last regular season. Contributors are to be considered for the quality and impact of their contribution/s to their team/s and/or the sport at large. “Contributions” may include an individual’s playing career. Ballots cast in the Contributors Election may list of up 15 eligible candidates.

    Both players and contributors are eligible for consideration if they were associated with the major, minor, negro, Japanese or other international leagues including, but not limited to the US American Leagues, Cuban Winter League (to 1950), Mexican League (to 1950), Puerto Rican Winter League (to 1950), 1937 Dominican League and the California Winter League.

    Once inducted on either ballot, an individual is no longer eligible for consideration in any other capacity.

    Policies
    It is extremely helpful if voters post their ballots with candidates listed in descending alphabetical order of candidates’ last names. Individuals receiving votes who cannot be identified will not be counted. Ballots which exceed the maximum ballot length will not be counted. Ballots may be edited after their initial post, however, changes to a ballot are not guaranteed to be counted unless I am notified by PM of the change before the end of voting.
    "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
    "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
    "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
    "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

    Comment


    • #3
      Baseball Fever Hall of Fame Membership


      Categorized
      Players in Blue played a substantial part of their careers in the Negro Leagues,
      Players in Red played a substantial part of their careers in Japan
      Pitchers
      Pete Alexander, Akira Bessho, Bert Blyleven, Mordecai Brown, Raymond Brown, Jim Bunning, Steve Carlton, Bob Caruthers, John Clarkson, Roger Clemens, Wilbur Cooper, Stan Coveleski, Dizzy Dean, Don Drysdale, Dennis Eckersley, Red Faber, Bob Feller, Wes Ferrell, Rollie Fingers, Whitey Ford, Bill Foster, Pud Galvin, Bob Gibson, Tom Glavine, Goose Gossage, Burleigh Grimes, Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Kazuhisa Inao, Ferguson Jenkins, Randy Johnson, Walter Johnson, Masaichi Kaneda, Tim Keefe, Sandy Koufax, Bob Lemon, Ted Lyons, Greg Maddux, Juan Marichal, Pedro Martinez, Christy Mathewson, Carl Mays, Joe McGinnity, Jose Mendez, Tony Mullane, Mike Mussina, Hal Newhouser, Kid Nichols, Phil Niekro, Satchel Paige, Jim Palmer, Gaylord Perry, Eddie Plank, Dan Quisenberry, Charley Radbourn, Cannonball Dick Redding, Eppa Rixey, Robin Roberts, Joe Rogan, Red Ruffing, Amos Rusie, Nolan Ryan, Tom Seaver, Curt Schilling, Hilton Smith, John Smoltz, Warren Spahn, Victor Starffin, Bruce Sutter, Don Sutton, Dazzy Vance, Rube Waddell, Ed Walsh, Hoyt Wilhelm, Joe Williams, Vic Willis, Early Wynn, Cy Young

      Catchers
      Johnny Bench, Charlie Bennett, Yogi Berra, Roger Bresnahan, Roy Campanella, Gary Carter, Mickey Cochrane, Bill Dickey, Buck Ewing, Carlton Fisk, Bill Freehan, Josh Gibson, Gabby Hartnett, Biz Mackey, Katsuya Nomura, Mike Piazza, Louis Santop, Ted Simmons, Deacon White

      First Basemen
      Dick Allen, Cap Anson, Jeff Bagwell, Jake Beckley, Dan Brouthers, Orlando Cepeda, Will Clark, Roger Connor, Jimmie Foxx, Lou Gehrig, Hank Greenberg, Keith Hernandez, Buck Leonard, Willie McCovey, Fred McGriff, Mark McGwire, Cal McVey, Johnny Mize, Eddie Murray, Sadaharu Oh, Tony Perez, George Sisler, Joe Start, Mule Suttles, Bill Terry, Frank Thomas

      Second Basemen
      Roberto Alomar, Ross Barnes, Craig Biggio, Rod Carew, Cupid Childs, Eddie Collins, Bobby Doerr, Larry Doyle, Nellie Fox, Frankie Frisch, Charlie Gehringer, Joe Gordon, Frank Grant, Bobby Grich, Billy Herman, Rogers Hornsby, Jeff Kent, Nap Lajoie, Bid McPhee, Joe Morgan, Hardy Richardson, Jackie Robinson, Ryne Sandberg, Lou Whitaker

      Third Basemen
      Frank Baker, Wade Boggs, Ken Boyer, George Brett, Jimmy Collins, Ray Dandridge, Darrell Evans, Heinie Groh, Stan Hack, Harmon Killebrew, Edgar Martinez, Eddie Mathews, Paul Molitor, Shigeo Nagashima, Graig Nettles, Brooks Robinson, Ron Santo, Mike Schmidt, Ezra Sutton, Pie Traynor, Jud Wilson

      Shortstops
      Luis Aparicio, Luke Appling, Ernie Banks, John Beckwith, Lou Boudreau, Perucho Cepeda, Joe Cronin, Bill Dahlen, George Davis, Jack Glasscock, Home Run Johnson, Barry Larkin, Pop Lloyd, Rabbit Maranville, Dobie Moore, Pee Wee Reese, Cal Ripken Jr., Joe Sewell, Ozzie Smith, Alan Trammell, Arky Vaughan, Honus Wagner, Bobby Wallace, Willie Wells, George Wright, Robin Yount

      Left Fielders
      Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Lou Brock, Jesse Burkett, Fred Clarke, Ed Delahanty, Goose Goslin, Isao Harimoto, Rickey Henderson, Monte Irvin, Joe Jackson, Joe Kelley, Ralph Kiner, Sherry Magee, Joe Medwick, Minnie Minoso, Stan Musial, Jim O'Rourke, Tim Raines, Al Simmons, Willie Stargell, Harry Stovey, Zach Wheat, Billy Williams, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski

      Center Fielders
      Richie Ashburn, Earl Averill, Cool Papa Bell, Willard Brown, Max Carey, Oscar Charleston, Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, Larry Doby, Hugh Duffy, George Gore, Billy Hamilton, Pete Hill, Paul Hines, Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Dale Murphy, Alejandro Oms, Kirby Puckett, Edd Roush, Duke Snider, Tris Speaker, Turkey Stearnes, George Van Haltren, Hack Wilson

      Right Fielders
      Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente, Sam Crawford, Andre Dawson, Martin Dihigo, Elmer Flick,Tony Gwynn, Harry Heilmann, Reggie Jackson, Al Kaline, Willie Keeler, King Kelly, Mel Ott, Dave Parker, Frank Robinson, Pete Rose, Babe Ruth, Enos Slaughter, Sam Thompson, Cristobal Torriente, Paul Waner, Dave Winfield

      Managers
      Walter Alston, Sparky Anderson, Frank Chance, Bobby Cox, Leo Durocher, Ned Hanlon, Whitey Herzog, Miller Huggins, Hughie Jennings, Tetsuharu Kawakami, Tony LaRussa, Tommy Lasorda, Al Lopez, Connie Mack, Joe McCarthy, John McGraw, Bill McKechnie, Frank Selee, Billy Southworth, Casey Stengel, C. I. Taylor, Joe Torre, Kazuto Tsuruoka, Earl Weaver, Dick Williams

      Executives
      Ed Barrow, Ed Bolden, Charles Comiskey, Jack Dunn, Clark Griffith, William Hulbert, Ban Johnson, Kenesaw M. Landis, Larry MacPhail, Walter O'Malley, Cum Posey, Branch Rickey, Albert Spalding, Bill Veeck, George Weiss, J.L. Wilkinson

      Pioneers
      Doc Adams, Sy Berger, Alexander Cartwright, Henry Chadwick, Charles Conlon, Jim Creighton, Rube Foster, Marvin Miller, Lefty O'Doul, Buck O'Neill,, Dickey Pearce, Al Reach, Matsutaro Shoriki, John Montgomery Ward, Harry Wright

      Broadcasters
      Mel Allen, Red Barber, Ernie Harwell, Vin Scully

      Writers
      Bill James, Francis Richter, J.G. Taylor Spink

      Umpires
      Tom Connolly, Bill Klem

      Alphabetized
      Code:
      Hank Aaron
      Doc Adams
      Pete Alexander
      Dick Allen
      Mel Allen
      Roberto Alomar
      Walter Alston
      Sparky Anderson
      Cap Anson
      Luis Aparicio
      Luke Appling
      Richie Ashburn
      Earl Averill
      Jeff Bagwell
      Frank Baker
      Ernie Banks
      Red Barber
      Ross Barnes
      Ed Barrow
      John Beckwith
      Jake Beckley
      Cool Papa Bell
      Albert Belle
      Johnny Bench
      Charlie Bennett
      Sy Berger
      Yogi Berra
      Akira Bessho
      Craig Biggio
      Bert Blyleven
      Wade Boggs
      Ed Bolden
      Barry Bonds
      Lou Boudreau
      Ken Boyer
      Roger Bresnahan
      George Brett
      Lou Brock
      Dan Brouthers
      Mordecai Brown
      Raymond Brown
      Willard Brown
      Jim Bunning
      Jesse Burkett
      Roy Campanella
      Rod Carew
      Max Carey
      Gary Carter
      Steve Carlton
      Alexander Cartwright
      Bob Caruthers
      Orlando Cepeda
      Perucho Cepeda
      Henry Chadwick
      Frank Chance
      Oscar Charleston
      Cupid Childs
      Will Clark
      Fred Clarke
      John Clarkson
      Roger Clemens
      Roberto Clemente
      Ty Cobb
      Mickey Cochrane
      Eddie Collins
      Jimmy Collins
      Charles Comiskey
      Charles Conlon
      Roger Connor
      Tom Connolly
      Wilbur Cooper
      Stan Coveleski
      Bobby Cox
      Sam Crawford
      Jim Creighton
      Joe Cronin
      Ray Dandridge
      Bill Dahlen
      George Davis
      Andre Dawson
      Dizzy Dean
      Ed Delahanty
      Bill Dickey
      Martin Dihigo
      Joe DiMaggio
      Larry Doby
      Bobby Doerr
      Larry Doyle
      Don Drysdale
      Jack Dunn
      Hugh Duffy
      Leo Durocher
      Dennis Eckersley
      Darrell Evans
      Buck Ewing
      Red Faber
      Bob Feller
      Wes Ferrell
      Rollie Fingers
      Carlton Fisk
      Elmer Flick
      Whitey Ford
      Bill Foster
      Rube Foster
      Nellie Fox
      Jimmie Foxx
      Bill Freehan
      Frankie Frisch
      Pud Galvin
      Lou Gehrig
      Charlie Gehringer
      Bob Gibson
      Josh Gibson
      Jack Glasscock
      Tom Glavine
      Joe Gordon
      George Gore
      Goose Goslin
      Goose Gossage
      Frank Grant
      Hank Greenberg
      Bobby Grich
      Clark Griffith
      Burleigh Grimes
      Heinie Groh
      Lefty Grove
      Tony Gwynn
      Stan Hack
      Billy Hamilton
      Ned Hanlon
      Isao Harimoto
      Gabby Hartnett
      Ernie Harwell
      Rickey Henderson
      Harry Heilmann
      Billy Herman
      Keith Hernandez
      Whitey Herzog
      Pete Hill
      Paul Hines
      Rogers Hornsby
      Carl Hubbell
      Miller Huggins
      William Hulbert
      Kazuhisa Inao
      Monte Irvin
      Joe Jackson
      Reggie Jackson
      Bill James
      Ferguson Jenkins
      Hughie Jennings
      Ban Johnson
      Home Run Johnson 
      Randy Johnson
      Walter Johnson
      Al Kaline
      Masaichi Kaneda
      Tetsuharu Kawakami
      Tim Keefe
      Willie Keeler
      Joe Kelley
      King Kelly
      Jeff Kent
      Harmon Killebrew
      Ralph Kiner
      Bill Klem
      Sandy Koufax
      Nap Lajoie
      Kenesaw M. Landis
      Barry Larkin
      Tony LaRussa
      Tommy Lasorda
      Bob Lemon
      Buck Leonard
      Pop Lloyd
      Al Lopez
      Ted Lyons
      Connie Mack
      Biz Mackey
      Larry MacPhail
      Greg Maddux
      Sherry Magee
      Rabbit Maranville
      Mickey Mantle
      Juan Marichal
      Edgar Martinez
      Pedro Martinez
      Eddie Mathews
      Christy Mathewson
      Carl Mays
      Willie Mays
      Joe McCarthy
      Willie McCovey
      Joe McGinnity
      John McGraw
      Fred McGriff
      Mark McGwire
      Bill McKechnie
      Bid McPhee
      Cal McVey
      Joe Medwick
      Jose Mendez
      Marvin Miller
      Minnie Minoso
      Johnny Mize
      Paul Molitor
      Dobie Moore
      Joe Morgan
      Tony Mullane
      Dale Murphy
      Eddie Murray
      Stan Musial
      Mike Mussina
      Shigeo Nagashima
      Graig Nettles
      Hal Newhouser
      Kid Nichols
      Phil Niekro
      Katsuya Nomura
      Lefty O’Doul
      Sadaharu Oh
      Alejandro Oms
      Buck O’Neil
      Jim O’Rourke
      Mel Ott
      Satchel Paige
      Jim Palmer
      Dave Parker
      Dickey Pearce
      Tony Perez
      Gaylord Perry
      Mike Piazza
      Eddie Plank
      Cum Posey
      Kirby Puckett
      Dan Quisenberry
      Charley Radbourn
      Tim Raines
      Al Reach
      Cannonball Dick Redding
      Pee Wee Reese
      Branch Rickey
      Hardy Richardson
      Francis Richter
      Cal Ripken
      Eppa Rixey
      Robin Roberts
      Brooks Robinson
      Frank Robinson
      Jackie Robinson
      Joe Rogan
      Pete Rose
      Edd Roush
      Red Ruffing
      Amos Rusie
      Babe Ruth
      Nolan Ryan
      Ryne Sandberg
      Ron Santo
      Louis Santop
      Mike Schmidt
      Curt Schilling
      Vin Scully
      Tom Seaver
      Frank Selee
      Joe Sewell
      Matsutaro Shoriki
      Al Simmons
      Ted Simmons
      George Sisler
      Enos Slaughter
      Hilton Smith
      Ozzie Smith
      John Smoltz
      Duke Snider
      Billy Southworth
      Warren Spahn
      Albert Spalding
      Tris Speaker
      J.G. Taylor Spink
      Willie Stargell
      Victor Starffin
      Joe Start
      Turkey Stearnes
      Casey Stengel
      Harry Stovey
      Bruce Sutter
      Mule Suttles
      Don Sutton
      Ezra Sutton
      C.I. Taylor
      Bill Terry
      Frank Thomas
      Sam Thompson
      Joe Torre
      Cristobal Torriente
      Alan Trammell
      Pie Traynor
      Kazuto Tsuruoka
      Dazzy Vance
      George Van Haltren
      Arky Vaughan
      Bill Veeck
      Rube Waddell
      Honus Wagner
      Bobby Wallace
      Ed Walsh
      Paul Waner
      John M. Ward
      Earl Weaver
      George Weiss
      Willie Wells
      Zack Wheat
      Lou Whitaker
      Deacon White
      Hoyt Wilhelm
      J.L. Wilkinson
      Billy Williams
      Dick Williams
      Joe Williams
      Ted Williams
      Vic Willis
      Hack Wilson
      Jud Wilson
      Dave Winfield
      George Wright
      Harry Wright
      Early Wynn
      Carl Yastrzemski
      Cy Young
      Robin Yount
      Last edited by Chadwick; 12-13-2010, 11:04 AM.
      "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
      "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
      "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
      "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

      Comment


      • #4
        Top Holdovers from Last Year's Election

        Players Election
        67% Sammy Sosa
        56% Pete Browning, Larry Walker
        50% Rafael Palmeiro
        44% Jim Edmonds, Addie Joss, Vern Stephens, Bucky Walters
        39% Lefty Gomez, Tommy Leach, Graig Nettles, Sam Rice
        33% Sal Bando, Bobby Bonds, Kevin Brown, Dwight Evans, Billy Pierce, Lip Pike, Jimmy Wynn
        28% Leon Day, Bob Elliott, Charlie Keller, Chuck Klein, Omar Linares, Hirumitsu Ochiai, Mickey Welch
        22% Bob Johnson, Ernie Lombardi, Jimmy Ryan, Jimmy Sheckard, Lee Smith, Quincy Trouppe
        17% Wally Berger, Gavvy Cravath, Kiki Cuyler, Heinie Manush, Tony Oliva, Jim Rice
        11% Jim Bottomley, Herman Long, Dick Lundy, Jim McCormick, Thurman Munson, Don Newcombe, Rusty Staub
        6% Chief Bender, Tommy Bridges, Cesar Cedeno, Bus Clarkson, Yutaka Enatsu, John Franco, Luis Gonzalez, Ron Guidry, Charley Jones, Masaaki Koyama, Al Oliver, Spotswood Poles, Phil Rizzuto, Al Rosen, Reggie Smith, Dave Stieb, Bobby Veach


        Contributors Election
        63% Buck Canel, Matsutaro Shoriki
        56% Vic Harris, Billy Martin
        50% Harry Caray, A.J. Reach
        31% Jack Buck, George Steinbrenner
        25% Bob Davids, Pat Gillick, Cal Hubbard, Frank Jobe, Davey Johnson, Ring Lardner, Shigeru Mizuhara
        19% Nestor Chylak, Jocko Conlan, Ford Frick, Paul Krichell, Danny Murtaugh
        13% Joe Cambria, Curt Flood, John B. Foster, Charlie Grimm, Doug Harvey, Jim Mutrie, David Neft, Jacob Ruppert, John Schuerholz, Ben Shibe, Alfred H. Spink, Frank Warfield
        6% Al Barlick, Jim Bouton, Happy Chandler, Candy Cummings, Jacques Doucet, Billy Evans, Curt Gowdy, Gus Greenlee, John Heydlar, Bob Howsam, Ernie Lanigan, Bill McGowan, A.G. Mills, Dan Okrent, Frank Osborn, Lou Piniella, Felo Ramirez, Grantland Rice, Red Smith, Ty Tyson, Sol White
        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

        Comment


        • #5
          Newly Eligible Candidates

          Players
          Code:
          Darrin Erstad
          Cliff Floyd
          Nomar Garciaparra
          Brian Giles
          Tom Gordon
          Randy Johnson
          Pedro Martinez
          Troy Percival
          Gary Sheffield
          John Smoltz
          Last edited by Chadwick; 10-25-2010, 08:41 AM.
          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
          "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
          "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

          Comment


          • #6
            Contributor candidates who are in other "Shadow Halls"

            The "Best of Baseball" series in this forum has recognized four contributors who are candidates here. Two of them, Matsutaro Shoriki and Al Reach have been recognized also by the "Progressive Hall of Fame" series.

            : Matsutaro Shoriki - the "father of professional baseball in Japan", founding owner of the Yomiuri Giants, founding president of the pro league
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsutaro_Shoriki

            : Al Spink
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Henry_Spink

            : Al Reach
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Reach

            : Jake Ruppert - New York Yankees co-owner 1915-22, sole owner 1922-39
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Ruppert

            These wikipedia entries are not so adequate as those for Schuerholz and Gillick (below).
            Last edited by Paul Wendt; 11-16-2010, 08:01 AM. Reason: disclaim wikipedia entries; export Sch & Gil to #8

            Comment


            • #7
              NOTE ON ELIGIBILITY
              In spite of his previous eligibility, Jim Edmonds played in the majors in 2010 and is therefore not eligible for the BBF HOF in this election.
              "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

              Comment


              • #8
                If you're looking for your ballot from last year, you can find it in this thread.
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                Comment


                • #9
                  Please note two recently eligible candidates, primarily General Managers.
                  : John Schuerholz (Kansas City 1981-1990 and Atlanta 1990-2007)
                  : Pat Gillick (Toronto 1978-1994, Baltimore 1996-1998, Seattle 2000-2003, Philadelphia 2006-2008)

                  They were eligible last year but that was not widely recognized before the election opened and many voters cast their ballots very early. Parenthetically I have listed their GM tenures. Since 2007 Schuerholz has been President for Atlanta. Before 1978 Gillick was briefly Scouting Director for Houston and the New York Yankees.

                  Sources:
                  "John Schuerholz" at wikipedia
                  "Pat Gillick" at wikipedia
                  Last edited by Paul Wendt; 10-22-2010, 04:19 PM.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    My tentative ballot, mostly copy/pasted from last year:

                    Bobby Bonds
                    Pete Browning
                    Kiki Cuyler
                    Dwight Evans
                    Lefty Gomez
                    Catfish Hunter
                    Randy Johnson
                    Addie Joss
                    Chuck Klein
                    Heinie Manush
                    Pedro Martinez
                    Al Oliver
                    Billy Pierce
                    Jim Rice
                    Sam Rice
                    Jimmy Ryan
                    Gary Sheffield
                    Lee Smith
                    John Smoltz
                    Sammy Sosa
                    Vern Stephens
                    Larry Walker
                    Mickey Welch

                    That leaves three spots open...they will most likely go to Rafael Palmeiro, Bucky Walters and Lip Pike.
                    Last edited by Cowtipper; 10-22-2010, 10:28 PM.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      My ballot is likely to look rather like this:

                      My 2010 annual ballot

                      key:
                      red=Japanese League
                      blue=Negro Leagues
                      green=19th century
                      magenta=Castro-era Cuban

                      Players

                      1. Sal Bando, 3b
                      2. Buddy Bell, 3b
                      3. Bobby Bonds, of
                      4. Bus Clarkson, ss
                      5. Yutaka Enatsu, p
                      6. Randy Johnson, p
                      7. Charlie Keller, of
                      8. Masaaki Koyama, p (Japan)
                      9. Pedro Martinez, p
                      10. Graig Nettles, 3B
                      11. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
                      12. Phil Rizzuto, ss
                      13. Gary Sheffield, of
                      14. John Smoltz, p
                      15. Sammy Sosa, of
                      16. Dave Stieb, p
                      17. Quincy Trouppe, c
                      18. Larry Walker, of
                      19. Jimmy Wynn, of

                      Contributors
                      1. Buck Canel
                      2. Harry Caray
                      3. Bobby Cox
                      4. Bob Davids
                      5. Pat Gillick
                      6. Vic Harris
                      7. Billy Martin
                      8. Shigeru Mizuhara
                      9. David Neft
                      10. Al Reach
                      11. Jacob Ruppert
                      12. Ben Shibe
                      13. Matsutaro Shoriki
                      14. Joe Torre
                      15. Frank Warfield

                      A large shakeup in the players due to three factors: 1) The large number of players on my ballot elected last time, 2) The strong incoming candidates (Johnson, Sheffield, Martinez, Smoltz, Stieb), and 3) the new rating system I'm using causes me to drop some candidates I had supported and add a few I haven't.

                      On the contributor side, I'm going to mothball some low performing candidates (Jobe, Krichell, Okrent, Felo Ramirez, and Tyson) to make room for some others.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Tentatively...

                        Players Ballot
                        Bobby Bonds
                        Kevin Brown
                        Pete Browning
                        Gavvy Cravath
                        Bob Elliott
                        Charlie Keller
                        Randy Johnson
                        Charley Jones
                        Pedro Martinez
                        Graig Nettles
                        Hirumitsu Ochiai
                        Rafael Palmeiro
                        Billy Pierce
                        Lip Pike
                        Sam Rice
                        Jimmy Sheckard
                        Gary Sheffield
                        John Smoltz
                        Sammy Sosa
                        Dave Stieb
                        Vern Stephens
                        Quincy Trouppe
                        Larry Walker
                        Bucky Walters
                        Jimmy Wynn


                        Contributors Ballot
                        Bobby Cox
                        Bob Davids
                        Pat Gillick
                        Vic Harris
                        Billy Martin
                        Shigeru Mizuhara
                        Danny Murtaugh
                        Lou Piniella
                        A.J. Reach
                        Jacob Ruppert
                        Matsutaro Shoriki
                        John Schuerholz
                        Alfred H. Spink
                        George Steinbrenner
                        Joe Torre
                        Last edited by Chadwick; 12-04-2010, 12:02 PM.
                        "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                        "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                        "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                        "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          According to post #2 Cox and Torre are already in our Hall and, actually, I remember voting them in a couple years ago. Am I missing something?
                          "Hitting is better than sex." - Reggie Jackson, Esquire (March 1, 1978)

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Being consistent with established practice for this project, Carlos Delgado should not be eligible. The Red Sox signed him in August 2010 and he played 5 games with Pawtucket before gettting injured. According to this article at KFFL he wants to play in 2011.

                            EDIT: Bartolo Colon should probably be listed with the new eligibles.
                            Last edited by Freakshow; 10-22-2010, 10:05 PM.
                            Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                            Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                              he wants to play in 2011.
                              So does Rickey Henderson.

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