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  • Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
    Well, he's underrated around here.
    The poll is curently 86-0 in favor of Griffey's HoF induction.
    Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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    • Originally posted by Bravesfan1984 View Post
      Probably one of the most underrated great players ever to play.
      So someone finally makes your super-strict HOF?

      Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
      Underrated? How is that? Griffey was a 13-time All-Star, has one of the most famous baseball rookie cards in the past 30-40 years, is considered by some the best player on the 1990's, won an MVP award with four other top-5 finishes, is one of the top 6-7 center fielders of all time, etc. How is that underrated?
      Only the casual fan who doesn't know that OBP and OPS+ are stats that are very important, something Bonds (90's only) has a huge advantage in.
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      • Originally posted by White Knight View Post



        Only the casual fan who doesn't know that OBP and OPS+ are stats that are very important, something Bonds (90's only) has a huge advantage in.
        So how does resonating with the casual fan so greatly make one underrated? Regardless of the baseball acumen, to say Griffey was underrated means something is getting ignored.

        Unless he was taking a page from Cowtipper's book. But I at least figured Cowtipper was joking.
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        • Originally posted by White Knight View Post


          Only the casual fan who doesn't know that OBP and OPS+ are stats that are very important, something Bonds (90's only) has a huge advantage in.
          And many/most of the media and baseball talking heads. Usually expressed as an obvious truth, not "was Junior the best player in the 90's?" but "everybody knows he was the best player of the 90's, there's no other option".

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          • Originally posted by White Knight View Post
            So someone finally makes your super-strict HOF?



            Only the casual fan who doesn't know that OBP and OPS+ are stats that are very important, something Bonds (90's only) has a huge advantage in.
            I think our very own Sultan believes Griffey was better than Bonds in the 1990's.
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • Yeah -you can call Griffey great, and many other things, but certainly not underrated. The national media had their lips glued to his backside for most of his whole career. How many players has the media idle-worshiped more than Griffey the past 30 years? Very few if any. Fans continued to elect him into All-Star games well after he was a really good player (and selected him as #1 for the decade time and time again in various polls) and even advanced sabermetrics such has WAR have him in the top 30's all time as a player. Who is underrating him? Many say Bonds was better, but most everybody would pick Griffey second from the era. Saying one guy was better does not make Griffey "underrated" overall.
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              • Originally posted by STLCards2 View Post
                Many say Bonds was better, but most everybody would pick Griffey second from the era. Saying one guy was better does not make Griffey "underrated" overall.
                Frank Thomas can argue that.
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                • Black Ink Batting - 26 (70), Average HOFer ≈ 27

                  This will be a reason at least one writer uses to not vote for him in 2016.
                  Last edited by jjpm74; 06-15-2010, 04:37 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                    Frank Thomas can argue that.
                    Thats why I said "most everybody."
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                    • He could have been one of the all time greats. But he fell short due to injuries. Sad really. In graph form....

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                      • Originally posted by Milt on Tilt View Post
                        He could have been one of the all time greats. But he fell short due to injuries. Sad really. In graph form....

                        Through the 2000 season Griffey was basically this generation's Willie Mays/Hank Aaron. Then the injuries came. Sigh.
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                        • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                          Through the 2000 season Griffey was basically this generation's Willie Mays/Hank Aaron. Then the injuries came. Sigh.
                          Yeah, he was at 74 WAR after his 1st year in Cinn. He ended with 80 11 seasons later.

                          Same with his defense; through his first year with Cinn, TZ has Griffey as a +83 run CF. After that (injuries) he was -100 runs.
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                          • He didn't post enough counting numbers to merit Hall of Fame discussion.

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                            • Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
                              He didn't post enough counting numbers to merit Hall of Fame discussion.
                              good joke
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                              • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                                Through the 2000 season Griffey was basically this generation's Willie Mays/Hank Aaron. Then the injuries came. Sigh.
                                That's a bit of a stretch, but a sure fire HOF anyway.
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