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  • leecemark
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    --I'd say most have him ranked alot closer to 40 than 20, but thats still pretty impressive out of all the thousands wo have played the game. And all those thousands make up the elite few out of millions of us who would have loved to play baseball for a living.

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  • Naliamegod
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    I don't exactly see how a top 20-40 ranking is "low" when you consider that there probably isn't much of a dropoff from number 20 to 40

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  • julusnc
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    You answered your own question friend.If it were not for the injuries he possibly could have edged his way into the top 10 but those days have since passed him by.

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  • GiambiJuice
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    Ken Griffey Jr.

    While I'm sure everyone agrees that Jr. is a Hall of Famer, I'm kinda surprised at how low most people rank him on their all time greatest position players lists.
    Most people seem to have him somewhere in the 20-40 range, but I think taking his defense into account and the fact that he had a GREAT chance to break Aaron's record if not for injuries, he should certainly be top-10.
    I've yet to see anyone rank him so high. Why is that? He's probably as close as you can get to mays-mantle-aaron status.

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  • asfan4life
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    Originally posted by therealnod
    I find it hard to believe that anyone would suggest the Kid took steroids.

    His injuries have been one of the biggest letdowns for me in baseball. I thought he would go down as the greatest ever when it was all done. I can only wish hinm well.
    I agree with you that his injuries where a big letdown. It was hard to see a player that good, and that I grew up watching in awe, just disappear.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Griffey is a HOFer right now. No discussion should be needed. Also, just like with McGwire, Rodriguez, Palmeiro, and Clemens, there is no proof that Griffey did steroids. And no, a money hungry, egotistical, covicted felon, with raging jeolosy towards his more succesful peers does not proove anybody did steroids just because he says so.

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  • The Commissioner
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    Originally posted by MikeCameronFAN
    Commish - If you held up two pictures - one of when you were 18 and the other when you're 34, would they look different?
    Absolutely. However, it's not the same type of difference. The difference is that I wouldn't look more muscular with a bloated head than I did at 18. I'm not trying to single out Griffey, he's one of my all-time faves. However, I guarantee that 20 or 50 years from now, we're going to find out the truth about how prevalent (think Caminiti type percentages) steroids were in MLB and Griffey will not be amongst the non-users.

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  • therealnod
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    I find it hard to believe that anyone would suggest the Kid took steroids.

    His injuries have been one of the biggest letdowns for me in baseball. I thought he would go down as the greatest ever when it was all done. I can only wish hinm well.

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  • DoubleX
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    I've heard some people call Griffey the greatest natural talent since Mickey Mantle, and like Mickey Mantle, wasted his talent through injuries and poor conditioning. I've heard some people go as far as saying Griffey never did any conditioning whatsoever and that everything he accomplished was soley the product of natural ability, until the lack of conditioning caught up to him and tore his body apart from the strain.

    Anyway, this spring, like the last three, everyone is wondering (and perhaps expecting) Griffey to bounce back and revitalize his career. I gave up expecting that last year when I put him on my fantasy team in spring to watch him get injured, yet again.

    Griffey is 35 years old and has 501 homeruns. It's not impossible for him to get to 700 with a barrage in his late 30's (ala Barry Bonds), but barring a Bondsesque explosions, and given his injury woes that will only hamper him more with age, I don't think it's realistic to expect Griffey to get to 700. He'd have to average 40 homeruns until he's 40 to get there, and I don't see that as likely at this point (though it's not impossible).

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  • WillieMaysHayes
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    Originally posted by MikeCameronFAN
    Commish - If you held up two pictures - one of when you were 18 and the other when you're 34, would they look different?
    I don't think that Griffey's injury history is steroids-related. I think it has to do with his poor conditioning/training when he was younger, as well as playing for 10 years on the hard turf in the Kingdome.

    I 100% agree with that.
    The funny thing is, I was reading an article today somewhere. I can't remember where, but it was basically stating how Griffey is beyond reproach regarding steroids.
    I've never heard of Jr. being involved with that so I'm wondering where some of you guys came up with this information.
    Like Cameron said, how many guys look the same from a teenager to a man in his mid 30's. I know I didn't.
    Bonds, on the other hand physically changed from age 35 to 36 and not just his body but look at his frigin cranium. Classical "roid head".

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  • MikeCameronFAN
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    Originally posted by The Commissioner
    I'm pretty sure that Griffey probably did take it. Look at one of his baseball cards and what he looked like when he first came up compared to now. Still, that doesn't diminish waht a great player he's been. Five years after whenever he retires, he should be a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer.
    Commish - If you held up two pictures - one of when you were 18 and the other when you're 34, would they look different?
    I don't think that Griffey's injury history is steroids-related. I think it has to do with his poor conditioning/training when he was younger, as well as playing for 10 years on the hard turf in the Kingdome.

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  • Edgartohof
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    Originally posted by west coast orange and black
    edgar: I also do not think that he used steroids at any point in his career, and if he did, he sure didn't take the stuff that Conseco or Big Mac took (just in the factor of size).
    >>> size is not even 1% of the steroids equation.
    I know that size is not a factor here, but like I said, IF he used steroids, he probably did not use the same type that the 2 afore mentioned players did, because, while he himself (Griffey jr) is no small man, he is not a neckless ball of muscle. Of course, there are many different types of steroids out there, and each has a different effect.

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  • west coast orange and black
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    julusnc: Also I believe Griffey Jr to be steriod free. Thoughts?
    >>> one of the great things about beliefs is that no facts are needed.

    wcf: I've heard allegations about Griffey, and his injury history could be supportive of accusations of steroid use. That said, I still believe in innocent until proven guilty.
    >>>

    grundy: i agree no way griffey has touched the stuff he is baseball players baseball player if u get what i mean i still think he and palmerio have the sweetest swings ever any arguements?
    >>> how ironic, mentioning palmeiro

    russ: The guy truly is an amazing player and steroids won't be an issue.
    >>> he is amazing. he will not test positive, so steroids will not be an issue, i agree.

    edgar: I also do not think that he used steroids at any point in his career, and if he did, he sure didn't take the stuff that Conseco or Big Mac took (just in the factor of size).
    >>> size is not even 1% of the steroids equation.

    commissioner: I'm pretty sure that Griffey probably did take it. Look at one of his baseball cards and what he looked like when he first came up compared to now. Still, that doesn't diminish waht a great player he's been. Five years after whenever he retires, he should be a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer.
    >>> i'm down with this.
    Last edited by west coast orange and black; 02-22-2005, 07:43 AM.

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  • The Commissioner
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    I'm pretty sure that Griffey probably did take it. Look at one of his baseball cards and what he looked like when he first came up compared to now. Still, that doesn't diminish waht a great player he's been. Five years after whenever he retires, he should be a sure-fire first ballot Hall of Famer.

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  • Edgartohof
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    Originally posted by J Grundy#12
    ok lets jus imagine if he didnt get hurt put up some numbers that u think he would have had this will be interesting

    Well, if we are assuming he did not get hurt, here goes:

    At a very conservative number, we will say he averaged 35 HR's for the past 4 years, that is another 140 HR's, which would now put him at 578 HR's, and being that he is still only 34!!! He would have plenty of time to add on to that.

    Also, If you were to add up the hits he would have gotten, he would be on a good shot towards 3000. Again, on a very conservative note, if we say he were to have averaged 145 hits over the past 4 years, that is 580 hits, and added to the 1,883 he had four years ago, that adds up to 2,463 hits and still being 34, would only need to average ~90 hits over the next 6 years, to reach 3,000 hits.

    So I believe he could easily have:

    2400+ Hits, 575+ HR's, 1450+ Runs, and 1600+ RBI, and again, these are conservative numbers - assuming (which was the whole point of this) he did not get injured.

    The biggest thing I see working for him, is the fact that he is still only 34 years old (I still just can't believe it!!!), and truthfully, still has several years left where he could be quite productive.

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