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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    double post
    Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 10-11-2010, 12:30 PM.

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  • jalbright
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    The comments directed at other posters in this thread will cease, or, henceforth, those making such posts can expect deletion/editing of their posts and quite possibly a vacation from the site.

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  • Cowtipper
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Heaven forbid one jokes about completely non-Hall-worthy players, but this kind of stuff is allowed to pass :
    Here's a tiny violin. We are all playing it for you.

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  • Captain Cold Nose
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    Originally posted by RuthMayBond View Post
    Heaven forbid one jokes about completely non-Hall-worthy players, but this kind of stuff is allowed to pass :
    That kind of stuff is not told at another poster's expense.

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  • RuthMayBond
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    Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
    He didn't post enough counting numbers to merit Hall of Fame discussion.
    Heaven forbid one jokes about completely non-Hall-worthy players, but this kind of stuff is allowed to pass :

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  • dominik
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    maybe sock can chime in what the projections without injuries would have been

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  • White Knight
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    How is it a stretch? I'm not saying Griffey was necesarily as good as Mays/Aaron but he has was looked as that kind of player by many.

    Griffey has the following in common with Mays/Aaron:

    -Griffey debuted in the majors at avery young age (19). Mays and Aaron were both 20 went the debuted.
    -All three had similar rookie seasons. Mays won the RoY, Griffey finished 3rd, Aaron finished 4th. Basically at age 19 Griffey was as good as Mays and Aaron at age 20.
    -By their mid 20s they were all puting up 40-50 HR seasons.
    -All three were considered superstars of the highest order in their 20s.
    -When we took a poll at BBF to name the the player that closesy resembles Willie Mays, Griffey won the poll.
    -Through age 30 Griffey was:
    --11x All-Star
    --10x Gold Glove winner
    --1 MVP, with a 2nd place, two 4th place, and a 5th place finish
    --A career line of .296/.380/.568, 147 OPS+, 438 HR, 1270 RBI, 1163 R, 1883 H, 342 doubles, 187 SB

    -Griffey was viewed as the player to break Aaron's 755 HR.

    Buth then the injuries came in his 30s and he went from superstar to afterthought in no time.
    I guess if you look at it that way. Yes, he was viewed by some as potentially breaking Aaron's record. He probably could have, but injuries came and he didn't age well (due to injuries of course). Was he ever viewed as a lock for 3,000 hits though? I guess I just had some issue comparing him to Mays.

    I can see what you're saying now, but I always will feel he's over-rated by Casual Joe the Baseball Fan. If you ask the average fan, he's the best defensive CFer since Mays, and the best player of the 90's. Ive had so many arguments with these type of fans, and when I bring up OPS+ they always look puzzled. I'm probably under-rating him I know, but I just never saw it as much as the rest.

    BTW, do you have any projections as to what his numbers may have looked like without the injuries? Where would you rank him with these projected numbers?

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    Originally posted by White Knight View Post
    That's a bit of a stretch, but a sure fire HOF anyway.
    How is it a stretch? I'm not saying Griffey was necesarily as good as Mays/Aaron but he has was looked as that kind of player by many.

    Griffey has the following in common with Mays/Aaron:

    -Griffey debuted in the majors at avery young age (19). Mays and Aaron were both 20 went the debuted.
    -All three had similar rookie seasons. Mays won the RoY, Griffey finished 3rd, Aaron finished 4th. Basically at age 19 Griffey was as good as Mays and Aaron at age 20.
    -By their mid 20s they were all puting up 40-50 HR seasons.
    -All three were considered superstars of the highest order in their 20s.
    -When we took a poll at BBF to name the the player that closesy resembles Willie Mays, Griffey won the poll.
    -Through age 30 Griffey was:
    --11x All-Star
    --10x Gold Glove winner
    --1 MVP, with a 2nd place, two 4th place, and a 5th place finish
    --A career line of .296/.380/.568, 147 OPS+, 438 HR, 1270 RBI, 1163 R, 1883 H, 342 doubles, 187 SB

    -Griffey was viewed as the player to break Aaron's 755 HR.

    Buth then the injuries came in his 30s and he went from superstar to afterthought in no time.

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  • White Knight
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Through the 2000 season Griffey was basically this generation's Willie Mays/Hank Aaron. Then the injuries came. Sigh.
    That's a bit of a stretch, but a sure fire HOF anyway.

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  • dominik
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    Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
    He didn't post enough counting numbers to merit Hall of Fame discussion.
    good joke

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  • Cowtipper
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    He didn't post enough counting numbers to merit Hall of Fame discussion.

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
    Through the 2000 season Griffey was basically this generation's Willie Mays/Hank Aaron. Then the injuries came. Sigh.
    Yeah, he was at 74 WAR after his 1st year in Cinn. He ended with 80 11 seasons later.

    Same with his defense; through his first year with Cinn, TZ has Griffey as a +83 run CF. After that (injuries) he was -100 runs.

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  • Honus Wagner Rules
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    Originally posted by Milt on Tilt View Post
    He could have been one of the all time greats. But he fell short due to injuries. Sad really. In graph form....

    Through the 2000 season Griffey was basically this generation's Willie Mays/Hank Aaron. Then the injuries came. Sigh.

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  • Milt on Tilt
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    He could have been one of the all time greats. But he fell short due to injuries. Sad really. In graph form....

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  • Bothrops Atrox
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    Originally posted by White Knight View Post
    Frank Thomas can argue that.
    Thats why I said "most everybody."

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