Griffey

[leecemark]

--IF you think he is one of the top 2-3 catchers ever, then you can make an argument for him as top 20 all time. That wasn't what the previous argument was though. It was if there are 3 better CF than Griffey then more than two better players at any other posiiton would add to be too many guys for Griffey to make the top 20. I think its close as to whether Griffey or Piazza have had better careers anyway.

[DTF955]

Right, not only that but if you add DiMaggio or Charleston in (not to mention both, let's just say one) you have 4 ahead of Griffey Jr. anyway; the problem worsens in some other positions. RF, for instance, you could make a very good argument for 4 (Ruth, Aaron, Frank Robinson for sure, and probably Mel Ott, who was good enough to lay 3rd) who were better than Griffey Jr., which means theremay have to be one position where you can only have one better than him.

These averages make things real complex, real fast.

[Cougar]

There are five major league centerfielders that are plainly better than Griffey: Cobb, Mays, Mantle, DiMaggio, Speaker (not necessarily in that order, although that's a plausible one). For the record, there is no shame in being behind that collection of talent -- not just the top five CF ever, but probably among the top 15-20 players at any position.

Charleston, who played exclusively in the Negro Leagues, probably belongs in that group as well, although I don't know Negro League history well, so I'd be happy to defer to someone who does as to what his exact placement should be.

Additionally, Duke Snider is often mentioned in these comparisons as being roughly equivalent to Griffey; some like Junior better, some like the Duke. I favor Griffey myself, but it's debatable.

So Griffey tops out at #6, and might be as low as #8 if Charleston and Snider are ahead of him.

That's still puts Griffey in the upper echelon of Hall of Famers, just not quite at the very top.

[four tool]

The good that men do is quickly and easily forgotten; the bad lingers on forever. Simple fact of life.

RIIIIGHT!!!!!!!!
That's why Ruth's Yankees are remember more for their WS wins than losses.

[Dudeman]

Ken Griffey falls into that catagory called "man he was great but man he could have been so much greater." ala Mickey Mantle.........

[Sockeye]

Ken Griffey Jr

He's 36 and in his 18th season. I would like to get some thoughts on his career thus far and if possible some insight on where you think his career totals will end up? I know this calls for a lot of speculation. So I'll be the first to throw some projections out there.

I think he could very well end up with

Games 2750
At-Bats 10,184
Runs 1818
Hits 2981
Doubles 556
Triples 46
Home Runs 693
RBI's 1987
Stolen Bases 230
Walks 1343
AVG .293
OBP .377
SLG .561

[dgarza]

150 more HRs?
10 more triples?
Maintaining .293?
I don't see it.

[GiambiJuice]

If Griffey retired 6 years ago, he's in the hall now. No brainer.

[RuthMayBond]

He's 36 and in his 18th season. I would like to get some thoughts on his career thus far and if possible some insight on where you think his career totals will end up? I know this calls for a lot of speculation. So I'll be the first to throw some projections out there.

I think he could very well end up with

Games 2750
At-Bats 10,184
Runs 1818
Hits 2981
Doubles 556
Triples 46
Home Runs 693
RBI's 1987
Stolen Bases 230
Walks 1343
AVG .293
OBP .377
SLG .561

I bet you predict he'll sneak in

[runningshoes]

Now I know he starts these threads to get a rise. If there was any doubt before, it's gone.

[Mike D.]

Griffey is in if he retires tomorrow.

These "projections" of yours are obviously not worth the kilabytes they take up online if you think Griffey is going to hit 150 more home runs, especially since he's got 3 this year in only 15 games this year.

He'd have to hit 35 a year well into his age 41 season, assuming he got the 32 more he needed this year to get there (a HUGE assumption).

You can't base projects on Yaz's career, seeing as he played longer than just about anyone else out there.

[RuthMayBond]

Now I know he starts these threads to get a rise. If there was any doubt before, it's gone.

I wonder if Sockeye will go out on the long thin limb and project Clemens, Maddux and ARod to squeak in

[KCGHOST]

The only way Griffey is kept out of the HoF is if Pete Rose becomes his new best friend.

[Sockeye]

Griffey is in if he retires tomorrow.

These "projections" of yours are obviously not worth the kilabytes they take up online if you think Griffey is going to hit 150 more home runs, especially since he's got 3 this year in only 15 games this year.

He'd have to hit 35 a year well into his age 41 season, assuming he got the 32 more he needed this year to get there (a HUGE assumption).

You can't base projects on Yaz's career, seeing as he played longer than just about anyone else out there.

Can't anyone here do simple math? Ken Griffey Jr will play this entire season at age 36. Next season he'll be 37, the year after that he'll be 38, in 2009 he'll be 39, and in 2010 he'll be 40.

That's an average of 31 a year til age 40. NOT 35 a year til age 41. Get your facts straight please!!

[Captain Cold Nose]

Can't anyone here do simple math? Ken Griffey Jr will play this entire season at age 36. Next season he'll be 37, the year after that he'll be 38, in 2009 he'll be 39, and in 2010 he'll be 40.

That's an average of 31 a year til age 40. NOT 35 a year til age 41. Get your facts straight please!!

Reds fans would love seeing this thread, considering Griffey has not been healthy enough to post those numbers on a consistent basis since he was traded, with 2000 and 2005 being exceptions.