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  • Originally posted by Outta Here
    There's no need 2 ask, he's a no-brainer. But I dont think he'll get that many HRs coz of injuries. My prediction is 649
    Do you mean 659, one behind Mays? (I take it the winky-face has some significance?)

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    • Ken Griffey Jr (2009 edition)

      It has been about 3 years since the last series of potential HOFer polls I ran. Thought I would do another series of polls. Below is a list of the players stats to date. Unlike the last series of polls I'm not going to list any career projections.

      Ken Griffey Jr at age 38

      2521 games
      9315 at-bats
      1612 runs
      2680 hits
      503 doubles
      38 triples
      611 home runs
      1772 RBI
      184 stolen bases
      1240 BB
      .288 AVG
      .373 OBP
      .547 SLG
      138 OPS+
      5092 total bases
      10742 PA's
      1934 runs created
      7.4 RC/G
      .673 OWP
      516.2 batting runs
      47.9 batting wins
      26 black ink
      162 gray ink
      235 HOF standards
      61 HOF monitor
      .309 EQA
      96.8 WARP1
      104.4 WARP3
      937 BRAR
      627 BRAA
      327 FRAR
      -56 FRAA
      406 win shares
      My dream ballpark dimensions
      LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
      RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
      Location....San Diego

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      • Previous poll results: 75 Yes, 1 No
        My dream ballpark dimensions
        LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
        RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
        Location....San Diego

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        • Anyone that votes "no" will get a serious BBF beat down!
          Last edited by Honus Wagner Rules; 04-05-2009, 10:19 PM.
          Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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          • Like Billy Batts in Goodfellas.
            3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

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            • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
              Anyone that votes "no" wil get a serious BBF beat down!
              You promise? There is always at least one!
              My dream ballpark dimensions
              LF: 388 Feet...Height 37 Feet...LCF: 455 Feet...CF: 542 Feet...Height 35 Feet
              RCF: 471 Feet...RF: 400 Feet...Height 60 Feet
              Location....San Diego

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              • There is no way he won't be in the Hall Of Fame.

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                • The only way Griffey misses the Hall is if PED usage is discovered.
                  "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                  "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                  "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                  "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                  • Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
                    Like Billy Batts in Goodfellas.
                    I was thinking more along the lines of a blanket party like in Full Metal Jacket.
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                    • Originally posted by julusnc View Post
                      It kills me to see people not talk about Ken Griffey Jr anymore.His career is fantastic so far.He combined skill and ability.

                      Also I believe Griffey Jr to be steriod free. Thoughts?
                      I'm amazed the degree to which Griffey has faded this decade.

                      Griffey's career is an Ernie Banks career; a stellar 1st half, coupled with a just-hanging-on 2nd half. People have really forgotten how great Griffey was in his best Seattle years.
                      "I do not care if half the league strikes. Those who do it will encounter quick retribution. All will be suspended and I don't care if it wrecks the National League for five years. This is the United States of America and one citizen has as much right to play as another. The National League will go down the line with Robinson whatever the consequences. You will find if you go through with your intention that you have been guilty of complete madness."

                      NL President Ford Frick, 1947

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                      • What I find interesting about Griffey's career is that he rarely lead the league in any offensive categories. He did led the AL in home runs four times which a great total. But other than that he led the in RBI's one time, in runs one time, in slugging one time, and in total bases just twice.
                        Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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                        • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                          Anyone that votes "no" will get a serious BBF beat down!
                          Deservedly so!

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                          • Highest OPS+, 1300+ games in CF and 7000+ PA
                            Code:
                            	Player	        OPS+	BA	OBP	SLG	SB	PA	From	To
                            1	Mickey Mantle	172	0.298	0.421	0.557	153	9909	1951	1968
                            2	Ty Cobb	        167	0.366	0.433	0.512	892	13072	1905	1928
                            3	Tris Speaker	158	0.345	0.428	0.500	432	11988	1907	1928
                            4	Willie Mays	156	0.302	0.384	0.557	338	12493	1951	1973
                            5	Joe DiMaggio	155	0.325	0.398	0.579	30	7671	1936	1951
                            6	Duke Snider	140	0.295	0.380	0.540	99	8237	1947	1964
                            7	Ken Griffey	138	0.288	0.373	0.547	184	10742	1989	2008
                            8	Earl Averill	133	0.318	0.395	0.534	70	7215	1929	1941
                            9	Jim Edmonds	132	0.284	0.377	0.528	65	7708	1993	2008
                            10	Paul Hines	131	0.302	0.340	0.409	163	7470	1872	1891
                            11	Fred Lynn	129	0.283	0.360	0.484	72	7923	1974	1990
                            12	Edd Roush	126	0.323	0.369	0.446	268	8156	1913	1931
                            13	Bernie Williams	125	0.297	0.381	0.477	147	9053	1991	2006
                            14	Cy Williams	125	0.292	0.365	0.470	115	7720	1912	1930
                            15	Kirby Puckett	124	0.318	0.360	0.477	134	7831	1984	1995
                            16	Cesar Cedeno	123	0.285	0.347	0.443	550	8133	1970	1986
                            17	G. Van Haltren	121	0.316	0.385	0.417	583	8979	1887	1903
                            18	Chet Lemon	120	0.273	0.355	0.442	58	7872	1975	1990
                            19	Amos Otis	114	0.277	0.343	0.425	341	8246	1967	1984
                            20	Andruw Jones	111	0.259	0.339	0.489	138	7514	1996	2008
                            21	Richie Ashburn	111	0.308	0.396	0.382	234	9736	1948	1962
                            EDIT: This list will be revised when BB-Ref fixes the play index. Richie Ashburn and Willie Davis and, I assume, others didn't appear in the query results.
                            EDIT2: I put together a better list.
                            Last edited by Freakshow; 04-06-2009, 01:06 PM.
                            Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                            Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                            • Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                              Highest OPS+, 1300+ games in CF and 7000+ PA
                              Code:
                                Cnt Player            OPS+   BA   OBP   SLG    G    PA  From  To
                              +----+-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+----+
                                  1 Ty Cobb            167  .366  .433  .512 3035 13072 1905 1928 
                                  2 Tris Speaker       158  .345  .428  .500 2789 11988 1907 1928 
                                  3 Joe DiMaggio       155  .325  .398  .579 1736  7671 1936 1951 
                                  4 Ken Griffey        138  .288  .373  .547 2521 10742 1989 2008 
                                  5 Earl Averill       133  .318  .395  .534 1668  7215 1929 1941 
                                  6 Jim Edmonds        132  .284  .377  .528 1925  7708 1993 2008 
                                  7 Paul Hines         131  .302  .340  .409 1659  7470 1872 1891 
                                  8 Fred Lynn          129  .283  .360  .484 1969  7923 1974 1990 
                                  9 Edd Roush          126  .323  .369  .446 1967  8156 1913 1931 
                                 10 Bernie Williams    125  .297  .381  .477 2076  9053 1991 2006 
                                 11 Cy Williams        125  .292  .365  .470 2002  7720 1912 1930 
                                 12 Kirby Puckett      124  .318  .360  .477 1783  7831 1984 1995 
                                 13 George Van Haltre  121  .316  .385  .417 1984  8979 1887 1903 
                                 14 Chet Lemon         120  .273  .355  .442 1988  7872 1975 1990 
                                 15 Amos Otis          114  .277  .343  .425 1998  8246 1967 1984 
                                 16 Andruw Jones       111  .259  .339  .489 1836  7514 1996 2008 
                                 17 Brett Butler       110  .290  .377  .376 2213  9545 1981 1997 
                                 18 Dummy Hoy          110  .287  .386  .373 1796  8369 1888 1902 
                                 19 Clyde Milan        109  .285  .353  .353 1982  8312 1907 1922 
                                 20 Kenny Lofton       107  .299  .372  .423 2103  9234 1991 2007 
                                 21 Max Carey          107  .285  .361  .386 2476 10770 1910 1929
                              EDIT: This list will be revised when BB-Ref fixes the play index. Richie Ashburn and Willie Davis and, I assume, others didn't appear in the query results.
                              Yeah, and maybe it will add guys like Mays, Mantle, and Snider? Maybe, just maybe, they belong on this list.

                              Mantle 172 career OPS+
                              Mays 156 career OPS+
                              Snider 140 career OPS+

                              That moves Junior down to the number 7 spot. Hack Wilson is also ahead of him at 144, but he was just under the 1300 game cutoff.

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                              • Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                                Highest OPS+, 1300+ games in CF and 7000+ PA
                                Code:
                                  Cnt Player            OPS+   BA   OBP   SLG    G    PA  From  To
                                +----+-----------------+----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+----+----+
                                    1 Ty Cobb            167  .366  .433  .512 3035 13072 1905 1928 
                                    2 Tris Speaker       158  .345  .428  .500 2789 11988 1907 1928 
                                    3 Joe DiMaggio       155  .325  .398  .579 1736  7671 1936 1951 
                                    4 Ken Griffey        138  .288  .373  .547 2521 10742 1989 2008 
                                    5 Earl Averill       133  .318  .395  .534 1668  7215 1929 1941 
                                    6 Jim Edmonds        132  .284  .377  .528 1925  7708 1993 2008 
                                    7 Paul Hines         131  .302  .340  .409 1659  7470 1872 1891 
                                    8 Fred Lynn          129  .283  .360  .484 1969  7923 1974 1990 
                                    9 Edd Roush          126  .323  .369  .446 1967  8156 1913 1931 
                                   10 Bernie Williams    125  .297  .381  .477 2076  9053 1991 2006 
                                   11 Cy Williams        125  .292  .365  .470 2002  7720 1912 1930 
                                   12 Kirby Puckett      124  .318  .360  .477 1783  7831 1984 1995 
                                   13 George Van Haltre  121  .316  .385  .417 1984  8979 1887 1903 
                                   14 Chet Lemon         120  .273  .355  .442 1988  7872 1975 1990 
                                   15 Amos Otis          114  .277  .343  .425 1998  8246 1967 1984 
                                   16 Andruw Jones       111  .259  .339  .489 1836  7514 1996 2008 
                                   17 Brett Butler       110  .290  .377  .376 2213  9545 1981 1997 
                                   18 Dummy Hoy          110  .287  .386  .373 1796  8369 1888 1902 
                                   19 Clyde Milan        109  .285  .353  .353 1982  8312 1907 1922 
                                   20 Kenny Lofton       107  .299  .372  .423 2103  9234 1991 2007 
                                   21 Max Carey          107  .285  .361  .386 2476 10770 1910 1929
                                EDIT: This list will be revised when BB-Ref fixes the play index. Richie Ashburn and Willie Davis and, I assume, others didn't appear in the query results.
                                Willie Mays comes to mind

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