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    • Griffey hit a homer in his first game back as a Mariner last night.

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      • Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
        Griffey hit a homer in his first game back as a Mariner last night.

        http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=89233
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        • Jose Conseco says Griffey did it clean and I believe it.

          Interesting note: The local M's tv channel ran Mariner Monday's in February and March. Each Monday they ran a game from the past. One of which was when the M's clinched the divison in 97'. Buhner hit number 40 in that game but Griffey was sitting on 55 and finished with 56, which at the time was the most by any hitter since Maris' big year in 61'.

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          • Originally posted by Los Bravos View Post
            Like Billy Batts in Goodfellas.
            Hey, Tommy, can you shine my shoes?
            Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.-Crash Davis

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            • Why did you direct me to that thread? It doesn't say anything about Griffey there.

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              • Lol

                Originally posted by Seattle1 View Post
                Why did you direct me to that thread? It doesn't say anything about Griffey there.
                Griffey is on pace for 162 HR's this season, going into Tuesday's game vs the Twins.

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                • Is that Wagner in your avatar ?

                  Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                  Hey, Tommy, can you shine my shoes?
                  He takes his stride and his hands seem to stay back a long time.

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                  • Yes, he'll deserve to be in the HOF

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                    • This is the first unanimous poll I've seen on BBF.

                      I hope that didn't just ruin it.

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                      • Originally posted by Honus Wagner Rules View Post
                        What I find interesting about Griffey's career is that he rarely lead the league in any offensive categories. He did led the AL in home runs four times which a great total. But other than that he led the in RBI's one time, in runs one time, in slugging one time, and in total bases just twice.
                        I've been looking through the Hall of Fame forum since the voting a few days ago and ran across this thread. After I read your post, it got me to thinking about some things. So, I have a question for you. I'm not trying to be contentious but I'm curious about something here.

                        Do you think the reason that Griffey or any player from the last 25-30 years (but especialy the 90's) hasn't dominated more compared to his contemporaries is because of all the great hitting talent in today's game? And by dominated I mean someone like a Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, or Mickey Mantle who basically lead the majors or at the very least the AL in many if not almost every important offensive category for not just one or two seasons but many seasons of their career.

                        Obviously, I've been around here long enough to hear league quality and competative leagues thrown around but it seems that there might be more to it than just that in a certain sense. For example I have seen players like Griffey, Bagwell, or Sheffield, well, I don't want to say put down because that's a little more harsh than I think is intended by those making comments and comparisons but I will say that some around here justify ranking these players and others lower than say Musial or Mantle because they didn't stand out more in their respective era. In other words they didn't lead their league in multiple categories so they are not as good of a player as others.

                        But doesn't the fact that someone like Mantle not having as many great players competing against him enhance his dominance all the more? While a guy like Griffey having to compete with players like Thomas, Belle, McGwire, and Rodriguez, just to name a few, in major offensive stats like AVG, OBP, SLG, and HR hurt the way he is viewed during his era by some? Because in some cases you might have McGwire leading in HR, Belle leading in SLG, Thomas in OBP, and Rodriguez in AVG, make standing out from the pack a little more difficult for Griffey, or another player, since he is seemingly up against a slew of players unlike Musial who might only have say one or two great players to compete against?

                        I'm just wondering. There is probably an argument or evidence that I am missing that would make it all seem perfectly clear but I think I need someone to explain it to me....slowly, and with short, easy to understand words.

                        By the way, I am in no way suggesting that I believe Griffey, Bagwell, Sheffield, Belle, or any other player from recent memory to be better than Ruth, Mantle, Williams, or Musial. Not that it would be impossible.
                        Last edited by swingman24; 01-08-2010, 11:20 PM.
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                        • Originally posted by swingman24 View Post
                          I've been looking through the Hall of Fame forum since the voting a few days ago and ran across this thread. After I read your post, it got me to thinking about some things. So, I have a question for you. I'm not trying to be contentious but I'm curious about something here.

                          Do you think the reason that Griffey or any player from the last 25-30 years (but especialy the 90's) hasn't dominated more compared to his contemporaries is because of all the great hitting talent in today's game? And by dominated I mean someone like a Babe Ruth, Ted Williams, or Mickey Mantle who basically lead the majors or at the very least the AL in many if not almost every important offensive category for not just one or two seasons but many seasons of their career.

                          Obviously, I've been around here long enough to hear league quality and competative leagues thrown around but it seems that there might be more to it than just that in a certain sense. For example I have seen players like Griffey, Bagwell, or Sheffield, well, I don't want to say put down because that's a little more harsh than I think is intended by those making comments and comparisons but I will say that some around here justify ranking these players and others lower than say Musial or Mantle because they didn't stand out more in their respective era. In other words they didn't lead their league in multiple categories so they are not as good of a player as others.

                          But doesn't the fact that someone like Mantle not having as many great players competing against him enhance his dominance all the more? While a guy like Griffey having to compete with players like Thomas, Belle, McGwire, and Rodriguez, just to name a few, in major offensive stats like AVG, OBP, SLG, and HR hurt the way he is viewed during his era by some? Because in some cases you might have McGwire leading in HR, Belle leading in SLG, Thomas in OBP, and Rodriguez in AVG, make standing out from the pack a little more difficult for Griffey, or another player, since he is seemingly up against a slew of players unlike Musial who might only have say one or two great players to compete against?

                          I'm just wondering. There is probably an argument or evidence that I am missing that would make it all seem perfectly clear but I think I need someone to explain it to me....slowly, and with short, easy to understand words.

                          By the way, I am in no way suggesting that I believe Griffey, Bagwell, Sheffield, Belle, or any other player from recent memory to be better than Ruth, Mantle, Williams, or Musial. Not that it would be impossible.
                          I think there are 2 factors to consider: more teams and players means it's harder for anyone to dominate and many hitters today are either long ball hitters, or hit for average, few, Frank Thomas and Pujols are exceptions hit for both. Manny Ramirez is a case in point, good average and good power, but how often has he lead the league in the different categories, let alone in ther same year? Too much compitition IMHO

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                          • Originally posted by swingman24 View Post
                            Do you think the reason that Griffey or any player from the last 25-30 years (but especialy the 90's) hasn't dominated more compared to his contemporaries is because of all the great hitting talent in today's game?
                            To be fair, Barry Bonds (OPS+, BB),Mike Schmidt (OPS+,HR), and Alex Robiguez (HR) dominated their league about as much (in some cases more?) as Mantle. Gwynn did for AVG. Pujols is younger, but showing a similar pattern.

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                            • Originally posted by Rennie Stennett View Post
                              Jose Conseco says Griffey did it clean and I believe it.
                              I do too. I really like Jose Canseco. He is out there telling the bare-bones truth about everything. If he had some dirt to dish on Griffey you know he wouldn't hold back. I consider his word on this subject to be very, very reliable at this point. All of his claims keep getting proven to be true.

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                              • Originally posted by Rennie Stennett View Post
                                Griffey is on pace for 162 HR's this season, going into Tuesday's game vs the Twins.
                                Oh now I understand.

                                I guess it didn't compute for me at first because obviously I was not claiming or implying that he was going to hit a home run in every game he played, I was merely observing that he hit a home run in his first game back as a Mariner. Which is very, very cool in and of itself.

                                :bowdown:

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