Griffey

[Seattle1]

Mariners honor Griffey: The Mariners honor Hall of Fame electee Ken Griffey Jr. prior to their home opener

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/1628592...lectee-griffey

[Phantom Dreamer]

They don't want to cheat? They don't want to run the risk of dying prematurely?

We're going in circles. How is it cheating? Where's your proof of people dying prematurely?

[Los Bravos]

I assume most of his teammates used PEDs, and why wouldn't they?

They don't want to cheat? They don't want to run the risk of dying prematurely?

[bluesky5]

Yeah but fat lot of good it did them. No World Series Championships or even appearances to show for it.

In a perfect world what would have happened was The Big Unit would have stayed in Seattle right through the early to mid 2000s period of dominance in his career, Griffey would have stayed in Seattle and not gone through a period of decline/injuries, etc. etc. Imagine that 2001 team with a The Big Unit and Griffey one the team playing at the peak of their abilities.

But those are things we can't change. They run through the fingers like the sands of time.

What about A-Rod?

1. Ichiro
2. A-Rod
3. Griffey
4. Edgar
5. Boone
6. Olerud
I don't know who played SS, 3B, C & LF.

1. Big Unit
2. Moyer
3. Garcia
4. Pineiro(?)

CL - Sasaki

[Phantom Dreamer]

It kills me to see people not talk about Ken Griffey Jr anymore.His career is fantastic so far.He combined skill and ability.

Also I believe Griffey Jr to be steriod free. Thoughts?

I assume most of his teammates used PEDs, and why wouldn't they?

[Seattle1]

Yeah but fat lot of good it did them. No World Series Championships or even appearances to show for it.

In a perfect world what would have happened was The Big Unit would have stayed in Seattle right through the early to mid 2000s period of dominance in his career, Griffey would have stayed in Seattle and not gone through a period of decline/injuries, etc. etc. Imagine that 2001 team with a The Big Unit and Griffey one the team playing at the peak of their abilities.

But those are things we can't change. They run through the fingers like the sands of time.

[Tom Cheek]

The answer is: he will be going into the Hall of Fame as a Mariner! (With his hat facing forward lol.)

:gt

I'm amazed how the Mariners keep pumping out HOF-caliber players. I know Griffey will be the first after 40 years, but with Ichiro and Felix in the future, possibly Edgar, and what was once a legit case for Johnson and A-Rod, that's a lot of greatness in a short amount of time.

[Seattle1]

The only question is, will he go in as a Mariner or a Red? I hope Mariner!

The answer is: he will be going into the Hall of Fame as a Mariner! (With his hat facing forward lol.)

:gt

[White Knight]

I wonder if this poll got to 500 votes, it too would have three dissenters.

To be fair, the question here is a little different. I would have to imagine those three dissenters would have answered yes to our poll, which is "Will Ken Griffey Jr deserve to make the HOF?" I haven't heard why they voted no, but likely because of two reasons.

1) They don't vote first ballot for anyone, because Ruth/Gehrig/Williams, etc. didn't get 100%.
2) They aren't voting for anyone this generation. One guy who didn't vote for Maddux last year said this was his reason.

[RuthMayBond]

I wonder if this poll got to 500 votes, it too would have three dissenters.

Getting tired of the whining. Ruth, Cobb, Mays, Walter Johnson had way more no votes :disbelief:

[Cowtipper]

I wonder if this poll got to 500 votes, it too would have three dissenters.

[Cougar]

Sure does. Mays got to 3,283 hits and Aaron got to 3,771 hits. But I believe if Griffey didn't have all those injuries he would have reached 3,000 hits as well given that he did reach 2,781 hits.

Oh, I agree completely. The fact that Griffey compiled the totals he did despite never being completely healthy after he turned thirty is astonishing. It ought to remind us just how good his twenties were!

[Honus Wagner Rules]

It just goes to show how very hard it is to get 3000 hits.

Sure does. Mays got to 3,283 hits and Aaron got to 3,771 hits. But I believe if Griffey didn't have all those injuries he would have reached 3,000 hits as well given that he did reach 2,781 hits.

[Cougar]

I think he was. Through age 30 Aaron had 2,085 hits and Mays had 1,657 hits. With 1,883 hits, Griffey was right in the middle of the two.

It just goes to show how very hard it is to get 3000 hits.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I guess if you look at it that way. Yes, he was viewed by some as potentially breaking Aaron's record. He probably could have, but injuries came and he didn't age well (due to injuries of course). Was he ever viewed as a lock for 3,000 hits though? I guess I just had some issue comparing him to Mays.

I can see what you're saying now, but I always will feel he's over-rated by Casual Joe the Baseball Fan. If you ask the average fan, he's the best defensive CFer since Mays, and the best player of the 90's. Ive had so many arguments with these type of fans, and when I bring up OPS+ they always look puzzled. I'm probably under-rating him I know, but I just never saw it as much as the rest.

BTW, do you have any projections as to what his numbers may have looked like without the injuries? Where would you rank him with these projected numbers?

I think he was. Through age 30 Aaron had 2,085 hits and Mays had 1,657 hits. With 1,883 hits, Griffey was right in the middle of the two.