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    NOTE: The Yankees First Round Election is still open and will close on Saturday, February 5, 2011, at 11:00 a.m.

    This election will close on Tuesday, February 8, 2011, at 2:00 p.m.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    MINNESOTA TWINS
    This election will end on Tuesday, February 8, 2011, at 2:00 p.m.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Washington Senators (1901-1960)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1924, 1987, 1991)
    - Pennants: 6 (1924, 1925, 1933, 1965, 1987, 1991)
    - Division Titles: 10 (1969, 1970, 1987, 1991, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2010)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (8): Joe Mauer (2009), Justin Morneau (2006), Rod Carew (1977), Harmon Killebrew (1969), Zolio Versalles (1965), Roger Peckinpaugh (1925), Walter Johnson (1924), Walter Johnson (1913)

    - Cy Young Recipients (4): Johan Santana (2006), Johan Santana (2004), Frank Viola (1988), Jim Perry (1970)

    - RoY Recipients (7): Marty Cordova (1995), Chuck Knoblauch (1991), John Castino (1979), Rod Carew (1967), Tony Oliva (1964), Bob Allison (1959), Albie Pearson (1958)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (4): Johan Santana (2006), Walter Johnson (1924), Walter Johnson (1918), Walter Johnson (1913)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Harmon Killebrew	13
    2	Rod Carew		12
    3	Kirby Puckett		10
    4	Tony Oliva		8
    5	Camilo Pascual		7
    t6	Earl Battey		5
    t6	Mickey Vernon		5
    t8	George Case		4
    t8	Rick Ferrell		4
    t8	Chuck Knoblauch		4
    t8	Dutch Leonard		4
    t8	Joe Mauer*		4
    t8	Justin Morneau*		4
    t8	Joe Nathan*		4
    t8	Roy Sievers		4
    t8	Stan Spence		4
    t17	Rick Aguilera		3
    t17	Bob Allison		3
    t17	Johan Santana*		3
    t17	Cecil Travis		3
    t21	Joe Cronin		2
    t21	Gary Gaetti		2
    t21	Eddie Guardado		2
    t21	Jimmie Hall		2
    t21	Sid Hudson		2
    t21	Torii Hunter		2
    t21	Jim Kaat		2
    t21	Jim Lemon		2
    t21	Buddy Lewis		2
    t21	Walt Masterson		2
    t21	Buddy Myer		2
    t21	Jim Perry		2
    t21	Rich Rollins		2
    t21	Zolio Versalles		2
    t21	Butch Wynegar		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Ossie Bluege		772		.488
    Joe Cantillon		465		.490
    Joe Cronin		308		.543			1
    Chuck Dressen		329		.354
    Ron Gardenhire*		1459		.550					6
    Billy Gardner		621		.432
    Clark Griffith		1364		.518
    Bucky Harris		2776		.485	1		2
    Walter Johnson		617		.570
    Tom Kelly		2386		.478	2		2		2
    Joe Kuhel		308		.345
    Cookie Lavagetto	657		.414
    Gene Mauch		772		.490
    Jimmy McAleer		311		.426
    Sam Mele		963		.546			1
    Frank Quilici		568		.494
    Bill Rigney		392		.531					1
    Jake Stahl		305		.395	
    
    * Current manager

  • #2
    Players
    Rick Aguilera
    Bert Blyleven
    Rod Carew
    Joe Cronin
    Goose Goslin
    Kent Hrbek
    Walter Johnson
    Jim Kaat
    Harmon Killebrew
    Buddy Myer
    Tony Oliva
    Kirby Puckett
    Brad Radke
    Sam Rice
    Mickey Vernon

    Others in consideration: Bob Allison, Earl Battey, Joe Judge, Chuck Knoblauch, Dutch Leonard, Heinie Manush, Firpo Marberry, Clyde Milan, Camilo Pascual, Jim Perry, Roy Sievers, Roy Smalley, Stan Spence, Cecil Travis, Zolio Versalles, Frank Viola, Eddie Yost

    Contributors
    Clark Griffith
    Bucky Harris
    Tom Kelly
    Terry Ryan

    Harris is like the Twins version of Charlie Grimm. A decent player for several years followed by a long managerial run (including a WS title and 2 pennants). It worked for Grimm with the Cubs, though it didn't work with the better in every respect Red Shoendienst with the Cardinals (thus far, I consider Schoendienst the most glaring omission by any team in this project).

    Ron Gardenhire will probably get some votes, and though he may be the best manager in the game over the last five years or so, I feel it's too early to honor him like this.

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    • #3
      Players
      Bert Blyleven
      Rod Carew
      Goose Goslin
      Kent Hrbek
      Walter Johnson
      Joe Judge
      Jim Kaat
      Harmon Killebrew
      Chuck Knoblauch
      Tony Oliva
      Kirby Puckett
      Brad Radke
      Sam Rice
      Mickey Vernon
      Frank Viola

      Contributors
      Clark Griffith
      Bucky Harris
      Tom Kelly
      Andy MacPhail
      Terry Ryan

      Edit: Evidently I'm about ten years behind, MacPhail hasnt worked for the Cubs since 02, so he's in and Cal Griffith is out.

      The Twins have their own Hall of Fame but it ignores their history as the Washington Senators http://http://minnesota.twins.mlb.co..._of_famers.jsp so if anyone is stuck they can use this as a resource too.
      Last edited by Biggtone23; 02-01-2011, 10:35 PM.
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      • #4
        Harmon KillebreW
        Rod Carew
        Kirby Puckett
        Tony Oliva
        Earl Battey
        Chuck Knoblauch
        Joe Mauer
        Bert Blyleven
        Roy Sievers
        Rick Aguilera
        Kent Hrbek
        Gary Gaetti
        Jim Kaat
        Walter Johnson
        Goose Goslin

        Ossie Bluege
        Joe Cronin
        Clark Griffith
        Bucky Harris
        Tom Kelly
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        • #5
          Originally posted by MadHatter View Post
          Ossie Bluege
          Joe Cronin
          Clark Griffith
          Bucky Harris
          Tom Kelly
          I don't want to be nitpicky, but does Cronin really better fit as a contributor here than a player? He was a player/manager for just two seasons with the club, and while they won the pennant one season, they finished next to last the other.

          I really urge people to place an individual in the more appropriate category. Sometimes it won't always be clear, with Red Schoendienst being the best example. In those instances, use your best judgment. But in a case like this, unelss I'm missing something there really isn't much to support Cronin being in the contributors section rather than the players section (maybe with the Red Sox). The contributors section should not be used as a means to squeeze an extra player on the ballot by shifting a player over to the contributors section that doesn't really belong there.

          EDIT: Also, current players are not eligible, so please replace Mauer when you get a chance.
          Last edited by DoubleX; 02-03-2011, 02:52 PM.

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          • #6
            Players

            Bert Blyleven
            Rod Carew
            Joe Cronin
            Goose Goslin
            Kent Hrbek
            Walter Johnson
            Jim Kaat
            Harmon Killebrew
            Heinie Manush
            Buddy Myer
            Tony Oliva
            Kirby Puckett
            Sam Rice
            Mickey Vernon
            Frank Viola


            Contributors

            Clark Griffith
            Bucky Harris
            Tom Kelly
            Terry Ryan

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            • #7
              Players (15)
              Rick Aguilera
              Bert Blyleven
              Rod Carew
              Rick Ferrell
              Goose Goslin
              Walter Johnson
              Joe Judge
              Jim Kaat
              Harmon Killebrew
              Firpo Marberry
              Tony Oliva
              Kirby PUckett
              Sam Rice
              Mickey Vernon
              Frank Viola

              Contributors (5)
              Ossie Bluege
              Clark Griffith
              Bucky Harris
              Tom Kelly
              Andy MacPhail
              Last edited by Ace Venom; 02-01-2011, 04:09 PM.
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              • #8
                Players:

                Rick Aguilera
                Bert Blyleven
                Rod Carew
                Joe Cronin
                Goose Goslin
                Kent Hrbek
                Walter Johnson
                Jim Kaat
                Harmon Killebrew
                Tony Oliva
                Camilo Pascual
                Kirby Puckett
                Sam Rice
                Roy Sievers
                Mickey Vernon

                Contributors:

                Ossie Bluege (50 years with the organization wearing many hats; I'm surprised more people aren't voting for him)
                Clark Griffith
                Bucky Harris
                Tom Kelly
                Terry Ryan

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                • #9
                  Players
                  Bob Allison
                  Bert Blyleven
                  Rod Carew
                  Joe Cronin
                  Goose Goslin
                  Kent Hrbek
                  Walter Johnson
                  Joe Judge
                  Harmon Killebrew
                  Chuck Knoblauch
                  Buddy Myer
                  Tony Oliva
                  Kirby Puckett
                  Brad Radke
                  Sam Rice
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                  • #10
                    Players
                    Rick Aguilera
                    Bert Blyleven
                    Rod Carew
                    Goose Goslin
                    Kent Hrbek
                    Walter Johnson
                    Jim Kaat
                    Harmon Killebrew
                    Buddy Myer
                    Tony Oliva
                    Camilo Pascual
                    Kirby Puckett
                    Sam Rice
                    Mickey Vernon

                    Contributors
                    Ossie Bluege
                    Clark Griffith
                    Bucky Harris
                    Tom Kelly
                    Terry Ryan

                    I'm curious as to why more people aren't voting for Ossie Bluege - especially those who are submitting four-name contributor ballots. He was with the teams for fifty or so years as a player, manager, farm director (discovering Harmon Killebrew), comptroller, and more...

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                    • #11
                      Players
                      Bob Allison
                      Bert Blyleven
                      Rod Carew
                      Joe Cronin
                      Goose Goslin
                      Walter Johnson
                      Joe Judge
                      Harmon Killebrew
                      Chuck Knoblauch
                      Buddy Myer
                      Tony Oliva
                      Camilo Pascual
                      Kirby Puckett
                      Brad Radke
                      Sam Rice

                      Contributors
                      Clark Griffith
                      Bucky Harris
                      Tom Kelly
                      Andy MacPhail
                      Terry Ryan

                      I'll listen to how much success Bluege had. He wasn't much of a player, and he needs something more for me than longevity with the organization. As for the players, I have the following people I'd vote for who are not yet eligible:

                      Joe Mauer
                      Johan Santana
                      Justin Morneau

                      I have these (in approximate order) in my current queue:
                      Clyde Milan
                      Kent Hrbek
                      Frank Viola
                      Cecil Travis
                      Dave Goltz
                      Cesar Tovar
                      Eddie Yost
                      Mickey Vernon
                      Stan Spence
                      Dutch (Emil) Leonard
                      Corey Koskie
                      Buddy Lewis
                      Gary Gaetti
                      Firpo Marberry
                      Jim Kaat
                      Heinie Manush
                      Jim Perry
                      Earl Battey
                      Joe Nathan
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                      • #12
                        Players:
                        Harmon Killebrew
                        Bert Blyleven
                        Jim Kaat
                        Kirby Puckett
                        Rod Carew
                        Walter Johnson
                        Tony Oliva
                        Frank Viola
                        Brad Radke
                        Jim Perry
                        Dutch Leonard
                        Sam Rice
                        Goose Goslin
                        Chuck Knoblauch
                        Eddie Yost
                        Contributers:
                        Tom Kelly
                        Bucky Harris
                        Clark Griffith
                        Terry Ryan
                        Herb Carneal(Sportscaster for the Twins from 1962 to 2006)
                        Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                          I'll listen to how much success Bluege had. He wasn't much of a player, and he needs something more for me than longevity with the organization.
                          As a player, he was a very good defender at third base (when it was a more difficult position) - he accumulated 8+ dWAR. He was a starter on the Senators lone WS winner, and he made an All-Star game. Not a terrific resume, to be sure, but it's a start.

                          He was a coach for three years after retiring, then managed the team for five years. His teams were 379-394, finishing second in the league twice. He won Manager of the Year in 1945. While this may not be impressive at face value, it's comparatively solid for a team like the Senators.

                          After managing, he was the director of the team's farm system for a decade. He signed (and discovered, based on some sources) Harmon Killebrew.

                          After managing the system, Bluege became the team's comptroller for nearly fifteen years, overseeing the team's finances and the like. This bridged the gap between Washington and Minnesota. So far as I can tell, the team did well financially under Bluege's watch - I don't have much of a basis for comparison, though.

                          In the end, Bluege did a great deal of good for the Senators/Twins. He was a decent player, a fine manager and coach, and did a solid job with the team's finances for fifteen years. Fifty years of fine service seems like a fine resume to me.

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                          • #14
                            Ah yes... the Senators / Twins... by position on your scorecard:

                            Walter Johnson
                            Jim Kaat
                            Firpo Marberry
                            Kent Hrbek
                            Rod Carew
                            Buddy Myer
                            Harmon Killebrew
                            Eddie Yost
                            Joe Cronin
                            Goose Goslin
                            Kirby Puckett
                            Clyde Milan
                            Sam Rice
                            Tony Oliva
                            Bob Allison

                            ------------------

                            Tom Kelly
                            Bucky Harris
                            Clark Griffith
                            Ossie Bluege
                            Herb Carneal
                            Your Second Base Coach
                            Garvey, Lopes, Russell, and Cey started 833 times and the Dodgers went 498-335, for a .598 winning percentage. That’s equal to a team going 97-65 over a season. On those occasions when at least one of them missed his start, the Dodgers were 306-267-1, which is a .534 clip. That works out to a team going 87-75. So having all four of them added 10 wins to the Dodgers per year.
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                            • #15
                              Players:
                              Bert Blyleven
                              Rod Carew
                              Joe Cronin
                              Goose Goslin
                              Kent Hrbek
                              Walter Johnson
                              Joe Judge
                              Jim Kaat
                              Harmon Killebrew
                              Clyde Milan
                              Tony Oliva
                              Kirby Puckett
                              Sam Rice
                              Mickey Vernon
                              Eddie Yost


                              Contributors:
                              Ossie Bluege
                              Clark Griffith
                              Bucky Harris
                              Tom Kelly
                              Terry Ryan
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