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  • BBF Angels Hall of Fame - Round One

    IMPORTANT REMINDERS:
    - Ballot size remains the same for expansion era teams (i.e. up to 15 players and 5 contributors).
    - There must be at least 8 ballots cast in order for election to count.
    - Currently active players are not eligible.
    - The Rangers First Round Election is currently open and will end on Tuesday, March 8, 2011, at 4:00 p.m.

    This election will close on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, at 12:00 p.m.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    LOS ANGELES ANGELS OF ANAHEIM
    This election will end on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, at 12:00 p.m.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1961 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Los Angeles Angels (1961-1964), California Angels (1965-1996), Anaheim Angels (1997-2004)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 1 (2002)
    - Pennants: 1 (2002)
    - Division Titles: 8 (1979, 1982, 1986, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009)
    - Wild Card Berths: 1 (2002)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (2): Vladimir Guerrero (2004), Don Baylor (1979)

    - Cy Young Recipients (2): Bartolo Colon (2005), Dean Chance (1964)

    - RoY Recipients (1): Tim Salmon (1993)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (0):

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    t1	Rod Carew		6
    t1	Jim Fregosi		6
    3	Nolan Ryan		5
    t4	Chuck Finley		4
    t4	Vladimir Guerrero*	4
    t4	Troy Percival		4
    t7	Garrett Anderson	3
    t7	Troy Glaus*		3
    t7	Bobby Grich		3
    t7	Reggie Jackson		3
    t7	Mark Langston		3
    t7	Fred Lynn		3
    t7	Ken McBride		3
    t7	Francisco Rodriguez*	3
    t7	Frank Tanana		3
    t7	Leon Wagner		3
    t17	Dave Chalk		2
    t17	Darin Erstad		2
    t17	Torii Hunter*		2
    t17	Billy Moran		2
    t17	Lee Thomas		2
    t17	Mike Witt		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Terry Collins^		457		.481
    Jim Fregosi		486		.488					1
    Marcel Lachemann	331		.486
    Gene Mauch		711		.533					2
    John McNamara		352		.457
    Lefty Phillips		448		.497
    Doug Rader		448		.518
    Bill Rigney		1333		.469
    Buck Rodgers		313		.447
    Mike Scioscia*		1782		.550	1		1		5		1
    Dick Williams		341		.431
    
    * Team’s current manager
    ^ Currently managing another team
    Last edited by DoubleX; 03-09-2011, 07:24 AM.

  • #2
    Players
    Garret Anderson
    Rod Carew
    Chili Davis
    Brian Downing
    Chuck Finley
    Jim Fregosi
    Bobby Grich
    Wally Joyner
    Troy Percival
    Nolan Ryan
    Tim Salmon
    Frank Tanana

    Contributors
    Gene Autrey
    Gene Mauch
    Mike Scioscia
    Bill Stoneman
    Last edited by DoubleX; 03-02-2011, 03:51 PM.

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    • #3
      Players:

      Jim Abbott
      Garrett Anderson
      Rod Carew
      Bob Boone
      Doug DeCinces
      Brian Downing
      Jim Edmonds
      Chuck Finley
      Jim Fregosi
      Bobby Grich
      Wally Joyner
      Mark Langston
      Nolan Ryan
      Tim Salmon
      Frank Tanana

      Contributors:

      Buzzie Bavasi
      Dick Enberg
      Gene Mauch
      Mike Scioscia
      Bill Stoneman

      Contributor queue:

      Gene Autrey

      Lots of important people who are not players associated with this franchise. My vote for Abbot has a lot to do with the fanfare surrounding his career with the Angels.
      Last edited by jjpm74; 03-02-2011, 03:59 PM.

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      • #4
        Players
        Garret Anderson
        Doug DeCinces
        Brian Downing
        Jim Edmonds
        Darin Erstad
        Chuck Finley
        Jim Fregosi
        Bobby Grich
        Mark Langston
        Troy Percival
        Nolan Ryan
        Tim Salmon
        Frank Tanana
        Jarrod Washburn
        Mike Witt

        A few of these guys are pretty recent, so let me know if any of them don't qualify. If recently-retired Jim Edmonds and Garret Anderson and/or the three players who last played in 2009 (Erstad, Percival, and Washburn) aren't eligible here, here are my replacement candidates in order:

        Wally Joyner
        Dean Chance
        Rod Carew
        (none)
        (none)
        Last edited by Nerdlinger; 03-02-2011, 12:25 PM.
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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        • #5
          The final 'l' is missing from one of the links above.
          Batting Leaders

          Shortstops Dick Schofield and Gary DiSarcina were here for "12 seasons" but tallied only 4000 PA each.
          Remarkably there seem to me only two strong candidates at catcher-third-short-second, Fregosi and Grich.


          Players (15)
          Dean Chance
          Jim Fregosi
          Nolan Ryan
          Frank Tanana
          Bobby Grich
          Mike Witt
          Chuck Finley
          Brian Downing
          Wally Joyner
          Chili Davis

          Tim Salmon
          Jim Edmonds
          Garret Anderson
          Darrin Erstad
          Troy Percival

          someday?:Troy Glaus, Vladimir Guerrero, John Lackey, Francisco Rodriguez

          others?: Albie Pearson, Doug DeCinces, Rod Carew, Bob Boone
          more?: Mark Langston


          Contributors (5)
          Gene Autry
          Harry Dalton
          Buzzie Bavasi
          Gene Mauch
          Mike Scioscia

          others: Bill Rigney
          Last edited by Paul Wendt; 03-07-2011, 09:54 AM.

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          • #6
            contributors:
            Gene Autry
            Gene Mauch

            players:
            Garret Anderson (I assume with his retirement he's now eligible)
            Dean Chance
            Brian Downing
            Darin Erstad
            Chuck Finley
            Jim Fregosi
            Bobby Grich
            Mark Langston
            Nolan Ryan
            Tim Salmon
            Frank Tanana

            Not yet eligible:
            Chone Figgins
            Troy Glaus
            Vladimir Guerrero
            John Lackey
            Francisco Rodriguez
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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            • #7
              Garret Anderson retired before this thread was made so I assume he is eligible.
              Chop! Chop! Chop!

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              • #8
                Players:
                Tim Salmon
                Garret Anderson
                Chuck Finley
                Frank Tanana
                Nolan Ryan
                Mark Langston
                Troy Percival
                Brian Downing
                Bobby Grich
                Darin Erstad
                Jim Fregosi
                Chili Davis
                Contributers:
                Gene Mauch
                Bill Rigney
                Mike Scioscia
                Bob Starr
                Gene Autry
                Chop! Chop! Chop!

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                • #9
                  Garret Anderson is indeed eligible. I'm adding him to my ballot as well.

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                  • #10
                    Players
                    Garret Anderson
                    Rod Carew
                    Dean Chance
                    Chili Davis
                    Brian Downing
                    Jim Edmonds
                    Chuck Finley
                    Jim Fregosi
                    Bobby Grich
                    Mark Langston
                    Troy Percival
                    Nolan Ryan
                    Tim Salmon
                    Frank Tanana

                    Contributors
                    Gene Autrey
                    Gene Mauch
                    Mike Scioscia
                    Bill Stoneman

                    I was generous with Edmonds. He had four big offensive seasons with the Angels and earned his reputation as a fantastic defender there, as well. I could probably be swayed the other way, due to his smallish body of work there ... but I feel more comfortable with him on the ballot.

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                    • #11
                      Players (14)
                      Garret Anderson
                      Rod Carew
                      Dean Chance
                      Brian Downing
                      Jim Edmonds
                      Darin Erstad
                      Chuck Finley
                      Jim Fregosi
                      Bobby Grich
                      Wally Joyner
                      Troy Percival
                      Nolan Ryan
                      Tim Salmon
                      Frank Tanana

                      Contributors (2)
                      Gene Autry
                      Gene Mauch
                      RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

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                      • #12
                        They will always be the California Angles to me....

                        Bob Boone
                        Rod Carew
                        Bobby Grich
                        Jim Fregosi
                        Brian Downing
                        Garret Anderson
                        Jim Edmonds
                        Tim Salmon
                        Chili Davis
                        Don Baylor
                        Chuck Finley
                        Nolan Ryan
                        Frank Tanana
                        Mark Langston
                        Troy Percival

                        ---------------

                        The Rally Monkey
                        Gene Autry
                        Jimmie Reese
                        Last edited by Second Base Coach; 03-05-2011, 10:16 PM.
                        Your Second Base Coach
                        Garvey, Lopes, Russell, and Cey started 833 times and the Dodgers went 498-335, for a .598 winning percentage. That’s equal to a team going 97-65 over a season. On those occasions when at least one of them missed his start, the Dodgers were 306-267-1, which is a .534 clip. That works out to a team going 87-75. So having all four of them added 10 wins to the Dodgers per year.
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5hCIvMule0

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                          IMPORTANT REMINDERS:
                          - There must be at least 10 ballots cast in order for election to count.
                          I'm going to make a suggestion for a slight change. Instead of requiring ten votes for the election to count, require a minimum of 75% of that (8 votes) to elect anyone. That way, if 8 of 8 or 9 agree on some candidates, we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course, you could certainly elect to not run the election again if we don't get 10 votes.

                          We'd save at least a few names even if we stop at nine voters by this slight rule change.
                          Last edited by jalbright; 03-07-2011, 07:24 AM.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                            I'm going to make a suggestion for a slight change. Instead of requiring ten votes for the election to count, require a minimum of 75% of that (8 votes) to elect anyone. That way, if 8 of 8 or 9 agree on some candidates, we don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Of course, you could certainly elect to not run the election again if we don't get 10 votes.

                            We'd save at least a few names even if we stop at nine voters by this slight rule change.
                            That seems like a fair solution. Thanks.

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                            • #15
                              I'm glad you like the suggestion. At this point, you probably want to change the rules section to reflect the change.
                              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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