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  • BBF Mets Hall of Fame - Round One

    IMPORTANT REMINDERS:
    - Ballot size remains the same for expansion era teams (i.e. up to 15 players and 5 contributors).
    - There must be at least 8 ballots cast in order for election to count.
    - Currently active players are not eligible.
    - The Rangers First Round Election is currently open and will end on Tuesday, March 8, 2011, at 4:00 p.m.
    - The Angels First Round Election is currently open and will end Wednesday, March 9, 2011, at 12:00 p.m.

    This election will close on Friday, March 11, 2011, at 2:00 p.m.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    NEW YORK METS
    This election will end on Friday, March 11, 2011, at 2:00 p.m.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1962 (NL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 2 (1969, 1986)
    - Pennants: 4 (1969, 1973, 1986, 2000)
    - Division Titles: 5 (1969, 1973, 1986, 1988, 2006)
    - Wild Card Berths: 2 (1999, 2000)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (0):

    - Cy Young Recipients (4): Dwight Gooden (1985), Tom Seaver (1975), Tom Seaver (1973), Tom Seaver (1969)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Dwight Gooden (1984), Darryl Strawberry (1983), Jon Matlack (1972), Tom Seaver (1967)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (1): Dwight Gooden (1985)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Tom Seaver		9
    t2	Mike Piazza		7
    t2	Darryl Strawberry	7
    4	David Wright*		5
    t5	Carlos Beltran*		4
    t5	Gary Carter		4
    t5	Dwight Gooden		4
    t5	John Stearns		4
    t9	Keith Hernandez		3
    t9	Jon Matlack		3
    t9	Jose Reyes*		3
    t12	Richie Ashburn		2
    t12	Bobby Bonilla		2
    t12	David Cone		2
    t12	Sid Fernandez		2
    t12	Tom Glavine		2
    t12	Jerry Grote		2
    t12	Bud Harrelson		2
    t12	Todd Hundley		2
    t12	Ron Hunt		2
    t12	Howard Johnson		2
    t12	Jerry Koosman		2
    t12	Pedro Martinez		2
    t12	Willie Mays		2
    t12	Jesse Orosco		2
    t12	Rick Reed		2
    t12	Frank Viola		2
    t12	Billy Wagner		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Yogi Berra		588		.497
    Dallas Green		512		.447			1		1
    Gil Hodges		649		.523	1		1		1
    Art Howe		323		.424
    Davey Johnson		1012		.588	1		1		2
    Jerry Manuel		417		.489
    Willie Randolph		555		.544			1
    Casey Stengel		582		.302
    Joe Torre		709		.405
    Bobby Valentine		1003		.534			1				2
    Wes Westrum		380		.375
    Last edited by DoubleX; 03-09-2011, 01:52 PM.

  • #2
    Players
    John Franco
    Dwight Gooden
    Keith Hernandez
    Howard Johnson
    Jerry Koosman
    Mike Piazza
    Tom Seaver
    Darryl Strawberry

    I could also pretty easily be swayed to vote for any of the following: Gary Carter, Edgardo Alfonso, Cleon Jones, Rusty Staub, Mookie Wilson, Kevin McReynolds, Jesse Orosco, Sid Fernandez, Jon Matlack, Al Leiter, David Cone, Ed Kranepool, Tug McGraw


    Contributors
    Frank Cashen
    Gil Hodges
    Davey Johnson
    Ralph Kiner
    Bob Murphy

    I strongly considered Bobby Valentine, but went with the announcing duo of Murphy and Kiner.

    Comment


    • #3
      Tom Seaver
      Jerry Koosman
      Jerry Grote
      Bud Harrelson
      Rusty Staub
      Dwight Gooden
      Darryl Strawberry
      Keith Hernandez
      Mike Piazza
      Edgardo Alfonzo
      Cleon Jones
      Tug McGraw
      Mookie Wilson
      Jesse Orosco

      Gary Carter could be 15 or Matlack, Agee, Milner, Mazzili, Cone Darling, Sid etc. but for now it's open perhaps because I missed an obvious one.

      Contributors

      Joan Payson
      Frank Cashen
      Gil Hodges
      Bob Murphy
      Lindsey Nelson

      the first three seem indispensable which means unless you allow Murphy, Nelson, Kiner to go in as a one entry trio the active broadcaster misses the cut
      Davey and Bobby V miss the cut
      Herzog and anone else who ran the show from the mid 60s could get some recognition

      Comment


      • #4
        Gary Carter
        John Franco
        Dwight Gooden
        Jerry Grote
        Bud Harrelson
        Howard Johnson
        Jerry Koosman
        Jon Matlack
        Tug McGraw
        Jesse Orosco
        Mike Piazza
        Tom Seaver
        Darryl Strawberry
        Mookie Wilson
        Joel Youngblood

        Contributors:

        Frank Cashen
        Gil Hodges
        Ralph Kiner
        Bob Murphy
        Lindsey Nelson

        Comment


        • #5
          Players:

          Wally Backman
          Gary Carter
          Sid Fernandez
          George Foster
          John Franco
          Dwight Gooden
          Bud Harrelson
          Keith Hernandez
          Howard Johnson
          Jerry Koosman
          Ed Kranepool
          Mike Piazza
          Tom Seaver
          Daryl Strawberry
          Mookie Wilson

          Contributors:

          Frank Cashen
          Gil Hodges
          Davey Jhnson
          Ralph Kiner
          Bob Murphy

          Player Queue:

          Tommy Agee
          Hubie Brooks
          Dave Cone
          Jerry Grote
          Lee Mazzili
          Tug McGraw
          Kevin McReynolds
          Rusty Sraub

          Contributor Queue:

          Joe McIlvaine
          Lindsey Nelson
          William A. Shea
          Mel Stottlemyre
          Last edited by jjpm74; 03-05-2011, 08:09 AM.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
            I could also pretty easily be swayed to vote for any of the following: Gary Carter, Edgardo Alfonso, Cleon Jones, Rusty Staub, Mookie Wilson, Kevin McReynolds, Jesse Orosco, Sid Fernandez, Jon Matlack, Al Leiter, David Cone, Ed Kranepool, Tug McGraw
            It's hard to ignore how amazing Carter was while on the Mets. He was one of the main reasons they were as good as they were from 1985-1988.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
              It's hard to ignore how amazing Carter was while on the Mets. He was one of the main reasons they were as good as they were from 1985-1988.
              I was most torn on Carter. When I first got into baseball as a young kid, the Mets were for a few years my favorite team. It was during that '85-'88 period, perhaps the one and only time the Mets were able to eclipse the Yankees in popularity in New York. So given their success all the hype around them, it was hard for a young kid such as myself to ignore. Carter was actually one of my favorite, if not my favorite player on the team at that time. He team with Keith Hernandez to provide a necessary and valuable veteran presence which pushed the team over the top.

              That all being said, I look at the numbers now, and Carter's overall career with the Mets wasn't that impressive. Less than 2500 plate appearances is a pretty small sample size, and the 104 OPS+ isn't that great, especially considering the small sample size.

              All told, I'm still torn. He did have two big years with the team and was subjectively, a very important piece of the puzzle, but the whole of his career with the team isn't that impressive. I'll have to think more, but I might actually be inclined to add him at this point.

              As an aside, the Mets as a whole from that period have to rank up there as one of the biggest disappointments in the game's history. They did win it all in '86 and were back in the NLCS in '88, but this is a team that really should have won more and perhaps evolved into a dynasty. It was a prospect factory for several years, and the powers that be seemed to have an eye for making shrewd deals to import the right talent. Perhaps it was all the distractions of being successful in NY during the '80s, but this is a team that should have won more.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                I was most torn on Carter. When I first got into baseball as a young kid, the Mets were for a few years my favorite team. It was during that '85-'88 period, perhaps the one and only time the Mets were able to eclipse the Yankees in popularity in New York. So given their success all the hype around them, it was hard for a young kid such as myself to ignore. Carter was actually one of my favorite, if not my favorite player on the team at that time. He team with Keith Hernandez to provide a necessary and valuable veteran presence which pushed the team over the top.

                That all being said, I look at the numbers now, and Carter's overall career with the Mets wasn't that impressive. Less than 2500 plate appearances is a pretty small sample size, and the 104 OPS+ isn't that great, especially considering the small sample size.

                All told, I'm still torn. He did have two big years with the team and was subjectively, a very important piece of the puzzle, but the whole of his career with the team isn't that impressive. I'll have to think more, but I might actually be inclined to add him at this point.

                As an aside, the Mets as a whole from that period have to rank up there as one of the biggest disappointments in the game's history. They did win it all in '86 and were back in the NLCS in '88, but this is a team that really should have won more and perhaps evolved into a dynasty. It was a prospect factory for several years, and the powers that be seemed to have an eye for making shrewd deals to import the right talent. Perhaps it was all the distractions of being successful in NY during the '80s, but this is a team that should have won more.
                I was a little older but echo your sympathies on Carter, who seemed the missing piece when they got him in the winter of 84/85, and the team underachieving.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                  I was most torn on Carter. When I first got into baseball as a young kid, the Mets were for a few years my favorite team. It was during that '85-'88 period, perhaps the one and only time the Mets were able to eclipse the Yankees in popularity in New York. So given their success all the hype around them, it was hard for a young kid such as myself to ignore. Carter was actually one of my favorite, if not my favorite player on the team at that time. He team with Keith Hernandez to provide a necessary and valuable veteran presence which pushed the team over the top.

                  That all being said, I look at the numbers now, and Carter's overall career with the Mets wasn't that impressive. Less than 2500 plate appearances is a pretty small sample size, and the 104 OPS+ isn't that great, especially considering the small sample size.

                  All told, I'm still torn. He did have two big years with the team and was subjectively, a very important piece of the puzzle, but the whole of his career with the team isn't that impressive. I'll have to think more, but I might actually be inclined to add him at this point.
                  I was a big fan of the team around that time as well. (who remembers this silly music video?) Carter is the catcher I tried to mimic when I played baseball. Especially his snap catches where he went out of his way to try to frame the strike zone and stretch it a bit.

                  One intangible about Carter is that beyond the offensive numbers, he was also a smart catcher who, along with Mel Stottlemyre, might deserve some credit for how well that pitching staff was. Gooden, Fernandez and Darling were all solid pitchers with or without a good catcher, but the Mets also saw pitchers like Aguilera and Leach enjoy a great deal of success during that period.
                  Last edited by jjpm74; 03-04-2011, 03:19 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Players:
                    Darryl Strawberry
                    Keith Hernandez
                    Rusty Staub
                    Howard Johnson
                    Mike Piazza
                    Tom Seaver
                    Dwight Gooden
                    John Franco
                    Jerry Koosman
                    Sid Fernandez
                    Al Leiter
                    David Cone
                    Ron Darling
                    Tug McGraw
                    Jon Matlack
                    Contributers:
                    Davey Johnson
                    Bobby Valentine
                    Gil Hodges
                    Ralph Kiner
                    Bob Murphy
                    Chop! Chop! Chop!

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Players:
                      Edgardo Alfonzo
                      David Cone
                      Sid Fernandez
                      Dwight Gooden
                      Keith Hernandez
                      Howard Johnson
                      Cleon Jones
                      Jerry Koosman
                      Al Leiter
                      Jon Matlack
                      Mike Piazza
                      Tom Seaver
                      John Stearns
                      Darryl Strawberry

                      Not yet eligible:
                      Carlos Beltran
                      Jose Reyes
                      David Wright

                      Contributors:
                      George Weiss
                      Frank Cashen
                      Gil Hodges
                      Davey Johnson
                      Ralph Kiner
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                        Players:
                        Edgardo Alfonzo
                        David Cone
                        Sid Fernandez
                        Dwight Gooden
                        Keith Hernandez
                        Howard Johnson
                        Cleon Jones
                        Jerry Koosman
                        Al Leiter
                        Jon Matlack
                        Mike Piazza
                        Tom Seaver
                        John Stearns
                        Darryl Strawberry

                        Not yet eligible:
                        Carlos Beltran
                        Jose Reyes
                        David Wright

                        Contributors:
                        George Weiss
                        Frank Cashen
                        Gil Hodges
                        Davey Johnson
                        Ralph Kiner
                        My exact ballot, minus Coney.
                        Originally posted by Cougar
                        "Read at your own risk. Baseball Fever shall not be responsible if you become clinically insane trying to make sense of this post. People under 18 must read in the presence of a parent, guardian, licensed professional, or Dr. Phil."

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Players
                          Edgardo Alfonzo
                          Gary Carter
                          David Cone
                          Sid Fernandez
                          Dwight Gooden
                          Keith Hernandez
                          Howard Johnson
                          Cleon Jones
                          Jerry Koosman
                          Al Leiter
                          Tug McGraw
                          Mike Piazza
                          Tom Seaver
                          Darryl Strawberry
                          Mookie Wilson

                          Contributors
                          Frank Cashen
                          Gil Hodges
                          Davey Johnson
                          Ralph Kiner
                          Bobby Valentine

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Players
                            Edgardo Alfonzo
                            David Cone
                            Sid Fernandez
                            Dwight Gooden
                            Keith Hernandez
                            Howard Johnson
                            Jerry Koosman
                            Al Leiter
                            John Matlack
                            John Olerud
                            Mike Piazza
                            Tom Seaver
                            John Stearns
                            Darryl Strawberry
                            Mookie Wilson
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                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Players (15)
                              Gary Carter
                              Sid Fernandez
                              John Franco
                              Dwight Gooden
                              Jerry Grote
                              Bud Harrelson
                              Keith Hernandez
                              Howard Johnson
                              Cleon Jones
                              Jerry Koosman
                              Al Leiter
                              Mike Piazza
                              Tom Seaver
                              Darryl Strawberry
                              Mookie Wilson

                              Contributors (5)
                              Frank Cashen
                              Gil Hodges
                              Davey Johnson
                              Bob Murphy
                              Bobby Valentine
                              RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

                              Comment

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