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  • Negro Leagues Hall of Fame, round 2

    Round one is here in this link.

    We elected
    Players
    Oscar Charleston
    Martin Dihigo
    Josh Gibson
    Pop Lloyd
    Satchel Paige
    Bullet Joe Rogan
    Turkey Stearnes
    Cristobal Torriente
    Smoky Joe Williams

    Contributors
    Rube Foster
    Buck O'Neill

    I'll post the results for the holdovers after this post to remind folks of who the strongest candidates were.

    Most of the rules are identical to those in the Franchise Hall of Fame project, but with the notable additions of fixed candidate lists (which can be added to) and some clarifications for the group in question and a strong request that you make my job of tabulating the votes easier by listing players in alphabetical order. If I do not get sufficient compliance with this request, I will make it a requirement of an eligible ballot.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each group will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that group's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each group.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from group to group will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the groups or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the group in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a group’s Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises or groups as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one group at a time and each election will last approximately two weeks, as these groups require more research than the franchises do IMHO..
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size after the first round. In the first round, you must name at least one person in each election in which you wish to participate. However, if you wish to cast a blank ballot in subsequent rounds, you must specify that you are casting a blank ballot, i.e., voting for no one.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each of my special elections (we will have a Defunct NL teams election, an American Association election, and a pre-1876 election as well), a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in the original order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Play in non MLB leagues which admitted people of color are all eligible to be considered. However, only play in such leagues is to be considered. Thus, the MLB exploits of Jackie Robinson, Minnie Minoso and so on are not to be considered here.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to the Negro Leagues may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters.
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    Negro Leagues - ROUND ONE
    This election will end on Friday, March 18, 2011, at 11:59:59 p.m.EST

    I will, unlike the companion franchise project, be using fixed lists of eligible players. I have striven to come up with rather comprehensive lists, but if you 1) are willing to vote for a candidate you nominate, and 2) provide at least some idea of why you think others should join you in that vote, I will consider adding anyone who meets the criteria of the group.

    My Negro League list of eligibles:
    Negro League contributors
    Ed Bolden
    Andy Cooper
    Frank Duncan, Jr.
    Bud Fowler
    Gus Greenlee
    Vic Harris
    Frank Leland
    Dave Malarcher
    Abe Manley
    Effa Manley
    J. B. Martin
    Jose Mendez
    Alejandro Pompez
    Cum Posey
    Candy Jim Taylor
    C. I. Taylor
    Frank Warfield
    Sol White
    J. L. Wilkinson

    Players
    Newt Allen
    Buddy Armour
    Pee Wee Austin
    Walter Ball
    Sam Bankhead
    Hank Barker
    Dave Barnhill
    Bernard Baro
    Pepper Bassett
    John Beckwith
    Cool Papa Bell
    William Bell
    Jerry Benjamin
    Gene Benson
    Joe Black
    Charles Blackwell
    Emmett Bowman
    Bob Boyd
    Gene Bremmer
    Chet Brewer
    Chester Brooks
    Barney Brown
    Dave Brown
    Larry Brown
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Luis Bustamente
    Pee Wee Butts
    Bill Byrd
    Roy Campanella
    Rev Cannady
    George Carr
    Bill Cash
    Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
    Pelayo Chacon
    Morten Clark
    Bus Clarkson
    Phil Cockrell
    Pancho Coimbre
    Andy Cooper
    Sug Cornelius
    Dewey Creacy
    Jimmy Crutchfield
    Ray Dandridge
    Lloyd Davenport
    Cherokee Davis
    Piper Davis
    Leon Day
    Bingo DeMoss
    Dizzy Dismukes
    Rap Dixon
    Larry Doby
    John Donaldson
    Ed Douglass
    Bunny Downs
    Bill Drake
    Frank Duncan, Jr
    Eddie Dwight
    Howard Easterling
    Roberto Estalella
    Jose Fernandez
    Willie Foster
    Bud Fowler
    Bill Francis
    Lefty Gaines
    Manuel Garcia
    Silvio Garcia
    Jelly Gardner
    George Giles
    Charlie Grant
    Frank Grant
    Leroy Grant
    Joe Greene
    Schoolboy Griffith
    Blainey Hall
    Nate Harris
    Vic Harris
    Abe Harrrison
    Rats Henderson
    Pete Hill
    Bill Holland
    Highpockets Hudspeth
    Sammy T. Hughes
    Bertrum Hunter
    Monte Irvin
    Will Jackman
    Fats Jenkins
    Jeep Jessup
    Sam Jethro
    Grant "Home Run" Johnson
    Judy Johnson
    Oscar "Heavy" Johnson
    Slim Jones
    Newt Joseph
    Edric Kellman
    Henry Kimbro
    Jim Lamarque
    Buck Leonard
    Lester Lockett
    Tommy Louden
    Dick Lundy
    Jimmie Lyons
    Biz Mackey
    Dave Malarcher
    Max Manning
    Oliver Marcelle
    Luis Marquez
    Horacio Martinez
    Verdell Mathis
    Leroy Matlock
    Dan McClellan
    Booker McDaniels
    Webster McDonald
    Terris McDuffie
    Henry McHenry
    Lefty McKinnis
    Hurley McNair
    Jose Mendez
    Minnie Minoso
    Bill Monroe
    Dobie Moore
    Leroy Morney
    Porter Moss
    Dink Mothel
    Emilio Navarro
    Diomedes Olivo
    Alejandro Oms
    Ted Page
    Red Parnell
    John Patterson
    Pat Patterson
    Jap Payne
    Leonard Pearson
    Bill Perkins
    Bruce Petway
    Spottswood Poles
    Alex Radcliffe
    Ted “Double Duty” Radcliffe
    Connie Rector
    Cannonball Dick Redding
    Frog Redus
    Bill Riggins
    Ed Rile
    Neal Robinson
    Nat Rogers
    Harry Salmon
    Tommy Sampson
    Louis Santop
    George Scales
    Pat Scantlebury
    Dick Seay
    Bonnie Serrell
    Chino Smith
    Clarence Smith
    Hilton Smith
    Herb Souell
    Paul Stephens
    Ed Stone
    George Stovey
    Ted Strong
    Mule Suttles
    Ben Taylor
    Candy Jim Taylor
    Jelly Taylor
    Clint Thomas
    Jules Thomas
    Showboat Thomas
    Luis Tiant Sr
    Ted Trent
    Quincy Trouppe
    Tetelo Vargas
    Fleetwood Walker
    Dick Wallace
    Archie Ware
    Frank Warfield
    Speck Webster
    Willie Wells
    Edgar Wesley
    Chaney White
    Sol White
    Frank Wickware
    Doc Wiley
    Bobby Williams
    Chet Williams
    Clarence Williams
    George Williams
    Gerard Williams
    Harry Williams
    Stringbean Williams
    Artie Wilson
    Dan Wilson
    George Wilson
    Jud Wilson
    Nip Winters
    Parnell Woods
    Bill Wright
    George Wright
    Laymon Yokely
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    The results for the holdovers were:

    Players (12 votes cast, 9 needed for election)
    8 Buck Leonard
    7 Willie Wells
    6 Cool Papa Bell
    5 Monte Irvin
    5 Mule Suttles
    5 Jud Wilson
    4 Louis Santop
    3 Willard Brown
    3 Ray Dandridge
    3 Willie Foster
    3 Hilton Smith
    2 Ray Brown
    2 Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
    2 Leon Day
    2 Frank Grant
    2 Grant "Home Run" Johnson
    2 Biz Mackey
    2 Alejandro Oms
    2 Chino Smith
    1 John Beckwith
    1 John Donaldson
    1 Pete Hill
    1 Dick Lundy
    1 Bill Monroe
    1 Luis Tiant Sr

    Contributor ballot (11 votes cast, 9 needed for election)
    8 Sol White
    6 J. L. Wilkinson
    5 Cum Posey
    4 Ed Bolden
    3 C. I. Taylor
    1 Vic Harris
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      My ballot:

      Players
      Cool Papa Bell
      Ray Brown
      Willard Brown
      Perucho Cepeda
      Monte Irvin
      Home Run Johnson
      Buck Leonard
      Biz Mackey
      Dobie Moore
      Alejandro Oms
      Louis Santop
      Chino Smith
      Mule Suttles
      Willie Wells
      Jud Wilson

      Contributors
      Ed Bolden
      Cum Posey
      C. I. Taylor
      Sol White
      J. L. Wilkinson
      Last edited by jalbright; 03-05-2011, 09:15 AM.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        Eventually I would support Sol White as a player but his earlier election as a contributor is a foregone conclusion.

        Contributors
        Sol White
        C.I. Taylor
        J.L. Wilkinson
        Ed Bolden
        Cum Posey


        We elected only two from my first ballot so it appears that my nominee Bud Fowler will wait for my vote until round three.
        Other contenders are Ed Bolden, Gus Greenlee, Vic Harris.
        For me it's easier to pull the trigger in favor of the end of the alphabet ;-)

        add: Bolden
        Last edited by Paul Wendt; 03-07-2011, 09:17 AM. Reason: complete this

        Comment


        • #5
          Players:

          John Beckwith
          Willard Brown
          Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
          Leon Day
          Frank Grant
          Pete Hill
          Monte Irvin
          Buck Leonard
          Alejandro Oms
          Louis Santop
          Chino Smith
          Mule Suttles
          Luis Tiant Sr.
          Willie Wells
          Jud Wilson

          Contributors:

          Ed Bolden
          Bud Fowler
          Gus Greenlee
          Cum Posey
          J. L. Wilkinson

          Comment


          • #6
            Players Ballot
            Beckwith
            Bell
            Brown
            Foster
            Hill
            Irvin
            Johnson
            Leonard
            Mackey
            Moore
            Santop
            Smith
            Suttles
            Wells
            Wilson

            * * *

            (alphabetized above)

            Eventually I would support Sol White as a player but his earlier election as a contributor is a foregone conclusion.

            Players
            Grant Johnson
            Pete Hill
            Louis Santop
            Dobie Moore

            Biz Mackey
            John Beckwith
            Cool Papa Bell
            Jud Wilson
            Mule Suttles
            Willie Foster

            Willie Wells
            Chino Smith
            Buck Leonard
            Ray Brown
            Monte Irvin
            Last edited by Paul Wendt; 03-11-2011, 07:25 AM. Reason: add two; add two; add three; add two; alphabetize

            Comment


            • #7
              Players
              John Beckwith
              Cool Papa Bell
              Ray Brown
              Willard Brown
              Perucho Cepeda
              Monte Irvin
              Home Run Johnson
              Buck Leonard
              Biz Mackey
              Dobie Moore
              Alejandro Oms
              Louis Santop
              Mule Suttles
              Willie Wells
              Jud Wilson

              Contributors
              Ed Bolden
              Cum Posey
              C. I. Taylor
              Sol White
              J. L. Wilkinson

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Paul Wendt View Post
                in progress
                (alphabetization is required, I know)
                At this point, I'd say it's strongly encouraged. I reserve the right to make it a requirement if there's insufficient compliance with my encouragement.
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Players
                  Ray Brown
                  Willie Foster
                  Monte Irvin
                  Buck Leonard
                  Luis Santop
                  Mule Suttles
                  Jud Wilson

                  Contributors
                  Ed Bolden
                  Cum Posey
                  Sol White
                  JL Wilkinson

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Players (15)
                    John Beckwith
                    Cool Papa Bell
                    Ray Brown
                    Willard Brown
                    Leon Day
                    Willie Foster
                    Frank Grant
                    Grant Johnson
                    Judy Johnson
                    Dick Lundy
                    Biz Mackey
                    Bill Monroe
                    Alejandro Oms
                    Louis Santop
                    Quincy Trouppe

                    Contributors (5)
                    Gus Greenlee
                    Cum Posey
                    Sol White
                    C. I. Taylor
                    J. L. Wilkinson
                    RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Just a reminder: if you cast a short ballot, that works rather strongly against everyone you're not voting for, as it takes three votes for a guy to cancel out your one withheld vote. Of course, if you don't think there are 15 worthy Negro Leaguers beyond those already elected, that's the proper vote.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Beckwith, John
                        Brown, Ray
                        Foster, Willie
                        Hill, Pete
                        Irvin, Monte
                        Johnson, Grant
                        Leonard, Buck
                        Lundy, Dick
                        Oms, Alejandro
                        Santop, Louis
                        Smith, Hilton
                        Suttles, Mule
                        Trouppe, Quincy
                        Wells, Willie
                        Wilson, Jud
                        Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
                        http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Players:

                          Cool Papa Bell
                          Ray Brown
                          Willard Brown
                          John Donaldson
                          Willie Foster
                          Frank Grant
                          Pete Hill
                          Buck Leonard
                          Biz Mackey
                          Alejandro Oms
                          Louis Santop
                          Hilton Smith
                          Mule Suttles
                          Wille Wells
                          Jud Wilson

                          Contributors:

                          Ed Bolden
                          Cum Posey
                          C.I. Taylor
                          Sol White
                          J.L. Wilkinson
                          Last edited by TheMendozaLine; 03-18-2011, 03:01 PM. Reason: Changed Monroe for Oms

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            We have a little over eight days to go in this election, and four who voted last time have yet to do so this time:
                            rsuriyop
                            yest
                            OOSL
                            Double X


                            Any or all of those who have not voted by Monday will receive a follow up PM.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Players

                              John Beckwith
                              Cool Papa Bell
                              Ray Brown
                              Williard Brown
                              John Donaldson
                              Willie Foster
                              Frank Grant
                              Monte Irvin
                              Grant Johnson
                              Buck Leonard
                              Biz Mackey
                              Louis Santop
                              Hilton Smith
                              Willie Wells
                              Jud Wilson


                              Contributors

                              Ed Bolden
                              Cum Posey
                              C.I. Taylor
                              Sol White
                              J.L. Wilkinson

                              Comment

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