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  • Negro Leagues Hall of Fame, round 3

    Round 2 is here in this link

    We have already elected the following:

    Players
    Ray Brown
    Oscar Charleston
    Martin Dihigo
    Josh Gibson
    Monte Irvin
    Buck Leonard
    Pop Lloyd
    Satchel Paige
    Bullet Joe Rogan
    Louis Santop
    Turkey Stearnes
    Mule Suttles
    Cristobal Torriente
    Willie Wells
    Smoky Joe Williams
    Jud Wilson

    Contributors
    Ed Bolden
    Rube Foster
    Buck O'Neill
    Cum Posey
    Sol White
    J. L. Wilkinson

    I'll post the results for the holdovers after this post to remind folks of who the strongest candidates were.

    Most of the rules are identical to those in the Franchise Hall of Fame project, but with the notable additions of fixed candidate lists (which can be added to) and some clarifications for the group in question and a strong request that you make my job of tabulating the votes easier by listing players in alphabetical order. If I do not get sufficient compliance with this request, I will make it a requirement of an eligible ballot.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each group will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that group's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each group.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from group to group will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the groups or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the group in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a group’s Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises or groups as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one group at a time and each election will last approximately two weeks, as these groups require more research than the franchises do IMHO..
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size after the first round. In the first round, you must name at least one person in each election in which you wish to participate. However, if you wish to cast a blank ballot in subsequent rounds, you must specify that you are casting a blank ballot, i.e., voting for no one.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six (6) votes will be needed for induction.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each of my special elections (we will have a Defunct NL teams election, an American Association election, and a pre-1876 election as well), a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in the original order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Play in non MLB leagues which admitted people of color are all eligible to be considered. However, only play in such leagues is to be considered. Thus, the MLB exploits of Jackie Robinson, Minnie Minoso and so on are not to be considered here.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to the Negro Leagues may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters.
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    Negro Leagues - ROUND ONE
    This election will end on Friday, April 30, 2011, at 11:59:59 p.m. EDT

    I will, unlike the companion franchise project, be using fixed lists of eligible players. I have striven to come up with rather comprehensive lists, but if you 1) are willing to vote for a candidate you nominate, and 2) provide at least some idea of why you think others should join you in that vote, I will consider adding anyone who meets the criteria of the group.

    My Negro League list of eligibles:

    contributors
    Andy Cooper
    Frank Duncan, Jr.
    Bud Fowler
    Gus Greenlee
    Vic Harris
    Frank Leland
    Dave Malarcher
    Abe Manley
    Effa Manley
    J. B. Martin
    Jose Mendez
    Alejandro Pompez
    Candy Jim Taylor
    C. I. Taylor
    Frank Warfield

    Players
    Newt Allen
    Buddy Armour
    Pee Wee Austin
    Walter Ball
    Sam Bankhead
    Hank Barker
    Dave Barnhill
    Bernard Baro
    Pepper Bassett
    John Beckwith
    Cool Papa Bell
    William Bell
    Jerry Benjamin
    Gene Benson
    Joe Black
    Charles Blackwell
    Emmett Bowman
    Bob Boyd
    Gene Bremmer
    Chet Brewer
    Chester Brooks
    Barney Brown
    Dave Brown
    Larry Brown
    Willard Brown
    Luis Bustamente
    Pee Wee Butts
    Bill Byrd
    Roy Campanella
    Rev Cannady
    George Carr
    Bill Cash
    Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
    Pelayo Chacon
    Morten Clark
    Bus Clarkson
    Phil Cockrell
    Pancho Coimbre
    Andy Cooper
    Sug Cornelius
    Dewey Creacy
    Jimmy Crutchfield
    Ray Dandridge
    Lloyd Davenport
    Cherokee Davis
    Piper Davis
    Leon Day
    Bingo DeMoss
    Dizzy Dismukes
    Rap Dixon
    Larry Doby
    John Donaldson
    Ed Douglass
    Bunny Downs
    Bill Drake
    Frank Duncan, Jr
    Eddie Dwight
    Howard Easterling
    Roberto Estalella
    Jose Fernandez
    Willie Foster
    Bud Fowler
    Bill Francis
    Lefty Gaines
    Manuel Garcia
    Silvio Garcia
    Jelly Gardner
    George Giles
    Charlie Grant
    Frank Grant
    Leroy Grant
    Joe Greene
    Schoolboy Griffith
    Blainey Hall
    Nate Harris
    Vic Harris
    Abe Harrrison
    Rats Henderson
    Pete Hill
    Bill Holland
    Highpockets Hudspeth
    Sammy T. Hughes
    Bertrum Hunter
    Will Jackman
    Fats Jenkins
    Jeep Jessup
    Sam Jethro
    Grant "Home Run" Johnson
    Judy Johnson
    Oscar "Heavy" Johnson
    Slim Jones
    Newt Joseph
    Edric Kellman
    Henry Kimbro
    Jim Lamarque
    Lester Lockett
    Tommy Louden
    Dick Lundy
    Jimmie Lyons
    Biz Mackey
    Dave Malarcher
    Max Manning
    Oliver Marcelle
    Luis Marquez
    Horacio Martinez
    Verdell Mathis
    Leroy Matlock
    Dan McClellan
    Booker McDaniels
    Webster McDonald
    Terris McDuffie
    Henry McHenry
    Lefty McKinnis
    Hurley McNair
    Jose Mendez
    Minnie Minoso
    Bill Monroe
    Dobie Moore
    Leroy Morney
    Porter Moss
    Dink Mothel
    Emilio Navarro
    Diomedes Olivo
    Alejandro Oms
    Ted Page
    Red Parnell
    John Patterson
    Pat Patterson
    Jap Payne
    Leonard Pearson
    Bill Perkins
    Bruce Petway
    Spottswood Poles
    Alex Radcliffe
    Ted “Double Duty” Radcliffe
    Connie Rector
    Cannonball Dick Redding
    Frog Redus
    Bill Riggins
    Ed Rile
    Neal Robinson
    Nat Rogers
    Harry Salmon
    Tommy Sampson
    George Scales
    Pat Scantlebury
    Dick Seay
    Bonnie Serrell
    Chino Smith
    Clarence Smith
    Hilton Smith
    Herb Souell
    Paul Stephens
    Ed Stone
    George Stovey
    Ted Strong
    Ben Taylor
    Candy Jim Taylor
    Jelly Taylor
    Clint Thomas
    Jules Thomas
    Showboat Thomas
    Luis Tiant Sr
    Ted Trent
    Quincy Trouppe
    Tetelo Vargas
    Fleetwood Walker
    Dick Wallace
    Archie Ware
    Frank Warfield
    Speck Webster
    Edgar Wesley
    Chaney White
    Sol White
    Frank Wickware
    Doc Wiley
    Bobby Williams
    Chet Williams
    Clarence Williams
    George Williams
    Gerard Williams
    Harry Williams
    Stringbean Williams
    Artie Wilson
    Dan Wilson
    George Wilson
    Nip Winters
    Parnell Woods
    Bill Wright
    George Wright
    Laymon Yokely
    Last edited by jalbright; 04-17-2011, 05:05 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Here are the final results of last round for those not elected: 11 player ballots, 9 contributor ballots

    Players
    votes player
    8 John Beckwith
    8 Cool Papa Bell
    8 Willard Brown
    8 Willie Foster
    8 Biz Mackey
    7 Grant "Home Run" Johnson
    6 Frank Grant
    6 Pete Hill
    6 Alejandro Oms
    3 Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
    3 Leon Day
    3 Dobie Moore
    3 Chino Smith
    3 Hilton Smith
    2 John Donaldson
    2 Dick Lundy
    2 Quincy Trouppe
    1 Ray Dandridge
    1 Judy Johnson
    1 Bill Monroe
    1 Luis Tiant Sr


    Contributors
    votes contributor
    7 C. I. Taylor
    2 Gus Greenlee
    1 Bud Fowler
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      My ballot

      Players
      Beckwith
      Bell, CP
      Brown, W
      Cepeda, P
      Foster, W
      Grant, F
      Hill
      Johnson, HR
      Mackey
      Mendez
      Moore, D.
      Oms
      Smith, C
      Smith, H
      Trouppe

      Contributors
      Andy Cooper
      Vic Harris
      Alejandro Pompez
      C. I. Taylor
      Frank Warfield
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        Players:

        Cool Papa Bell
        Willard Brown
        Leon Day
        Ray Dandridge
        John Donaldson
        Willie Foster
        Grant Johnson
        Judy Johnson
        Frank Grant
        Pete Hill
        Biz Mackey
        Jose Mendez
        Alejandro Oms
        Dick Redding
        Hilton Smith


        Contributors:

        Gus Greenlee
        Frank Leland
        Abe Manley
        Jim Taylor
        C.I. Taylor

        Comment


        • #5
          Players:

          John Beckwith
          Cool Papa Bell
          Willard Brown
          Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
          Leon Day
          Willie Foster
          Frank Grant
          Pete Hill
          Grant "Home Run" Johnson
          Biz Mackey
          Jose Mendez
          Dobie Moore
          Alejandro Oms
          Chino Smith
          Quincy Trouppe

          Contributors:

          Andy Cooper
          Bud Fowler
          Vic Harris
          Gus Greenlee
          Frank Leland
          Last edited by jjpm74; 04-16-2011, 10:21 AM.

          Comment


          • #6
            Beckwith, John
            Brown, Willard
            Cepeda, Perucho
            Foster, Willie
            Grant, Frank
            Hill, Pete
            Johnson, Grant
            Lundy, Dick
            Mackey, Biz
            Mendez, Jose
            Monroe, Bill
            Moore, Dobie
            Oms, Alejandro
            Smith, Hilton
            Trouppe, Quincy
            Jacquelyn Eva Marchand (1983-2017)
            http://www.tezakfuneralhome.com/noti...uelyn-Marchand

            Comment


            • #7
              Players
              John Beckwith
              Cool Papa Bell
              Willard Brown
              Perucho Cepeda
              Willie Foster
              Home Run Johnson
              Dick Lundy
              Biz Mackey
              Jose Mendez
              Bill Monroe
              Dobie Moore
              Alejandro Oms
              Chino Smith
              Hilton Smith
              Quincy Trouppe


              Contributors
              Gus Greenlee
              Vic Harris
              Effa Manley
              Alejandro Pompez
              C. I. Taylor
              "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
              "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
              "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
              "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

              Comment


              • #8
                Players
                J. Beckwith
                Cool Papa Bell
                W. Brown
                P. Cepeda
                R. Dandridge
                L. Day
                W. Foster
                F. Grant
                P. Hill
                G. Johnson
                B. Mackey
                J. Mendez
                A. Oms
                C. Smith
                H. Smith

                Contributors
                Andy Cooper
                Gus Greenlee
                Vic Harris
                C. I. Taylor
                Frank Warfield

                Comment


                • #9
                  We have six player ballots, so if anyone's unanimous at this point, he can be elected. On the contributor side, we need one more to reach that point.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Contributors
                    Andy Cooper
                    Gus Greenlee
                    Vic Harris
                    Frank Leland
                    C.I. Taylor

                    Players
                    John Beckwith
                    Cool Papa Bell
                    Willard Brown
                    Perucho Cepeda
                    Willie Foster
                    Frank Grant
                    Pete Hill
                    Grant "Home Run" Johnson
                    Dick Lundy
                    Biz Mackey
                    Jose Mendez
                    Dobie Moore
                    Alejandro Oms
                    Hilton Smith
                    Quincy Trouppe

                    ...tough call for the last spot between Dobie Moore and Chino Smith, two big-peak, short-career players. We're getting down there in Cooperstown gray area territory for me; but for a NeL-centric HOF more players will make the cut.
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                    Comment


                    • #11
                      We've crossed the six vote threshhold on contributors as well. That means we could elect someone, not that we will. In fact, if the election ended now, we'd have no contributors elected, as no one has made all the ballots (though some missed out on only one).
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        There are several folks who voted last time who have yet to do so this time. I will follow up with them if necessary, but I'm trying to remind folks of the existence of this election.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          There are five voters from last election yet to vote in this one: OOSL, Paul Wendt, leecemark, Double X, and Ace Venom. If any or all of those folks haven't voted by Monday, those in the group who haven't voted will get reminder PMs.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Reminder PMs sent.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Players
                              Beckwith
                              Bell, CP
                              Brown, W
                              Foster, W
                              Grant, F
                              Hill, P
                              Johnson, HR
                              Mackey, B
                              Mendez, J
                              Moore, D.
                              Smith, H

                              Contributors
                              Harris, V
                              Taylor, CI
                              Warfield, F

                              Comment

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