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  • Negro Leagues Hall of Fame, round 4

    Round 3 is here in this link

    We have already elected the following:

    Players
    John Beckwith
    Cool Papa Bell
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Perucho "The Bull" Cepeda
    Oscar Charleston
    Martin Dihigo
    Willie Foster
    Josh Gibson
    Frank Grant
    Pete Hill
    Monte Irvin
    Grant "Home Run" Johnson
    Buck Leonard
    Pop Lloyd
    Biz Mackey
    Jose Mendez
    Dobie Moore
    Alejandro Oms
    Satchel Paige
    Bullet Joe Rogan
    Louis Santop
    Hilton Smith
    Turkey Stearnes
    Mule Suttles
    Cristobal Torriente
    Willie Wells
    Smoky Joe Williams
    Jud Wilson

    Contributors
    Ed Bolden
    Rube Foster
    Vic Harris
    Buck O'Neill
    Cum Posey
    C. I. Taylor
    Sol White
    J. L. Wilkinson

    I'll post the results for the holdovers after this post to remind folks of who the strongest candidates were.

    Most of the rules are identical to those in the Franchise Hall of Fame project, but with the notable additions of fixed candidate lists (which can be added to) and some clarifications for the group in question and a strong request that you make my job of tabulating the votes easier by listing players in alphabetical order. If I do not get sufficient compliance with this request, I will make it a requirement of an eligible ballot.

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each group will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that group's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each group.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from group to group will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the groups or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the group in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a group’s Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises or groups as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one group at a time and each election will last approximately two weeks, as these groups require more research than the franchises do IMHO..
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size after the first round. In the first round, you must name at least one person in each election in which you wish to participate. However, if you wish to cast a blank ballot in subsequent rounds, you must specify that you are casting a blank ballot, i.e., voting for no one.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six (6) votes will be needed for induction.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each of my special elections (we will have a Defunct NL teams election, an American Association election, and a pre-1876 election as well), a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in the original order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Play in non MLB leagues which admitted people of color are all eligible to be considered. However, only play in such leagues is to be considered. Thus, the MLB exploits of Jackie Robinson, Minnie Minoso and so on are not to be considered here.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to the Negro Leagues may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters.
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    Negro Leagues - ROUND Four
    This election will end on Friday, May 27, 2011, at 11:59:59 p.m. EDT

    I will, unlike the companion franchise project, be using fixed lists of eligible players. I have striven to come up with rather comprehensive lists, but if you 1) are willing to vote for a candidate you nominate, and 2) provide at least some idea of why you think others should join you in that vote, I will consider adding anyone who meets the criteria of the group.

    My Negro League list of eligibles:

    contributors
    Andy Cooper
    Frank Duncan, Jr.
    Bud Fowler
    Gus Greenlee
    Frank Leland
    Dave Malarcher
    Abe Manley
    Effa Manley
    J. B. Martin
    Jose Mendez
    Alejandro Pompez
    Candy Jim Taylor
    Frank Warfield

    Players
    Newt Allen
    Buddy Armour
    Pee Wee Austin
    Walter Ball
    Sam Bankhead
    Hank Barker
    Dave Barnhill
    Bernard Baro
    Pepper Bassett
    William Bell
    Jerry Benjamin
    Gene Benson
    Joe Black
    Charles Blackwell
    Emmett Bowman
    Bob Boyd
    Gene Bremmer
    Chet Brewer
    Chester Brooks
    Barney Brown
    Dave Brown
    Larry Brown
    Luis Bustamente
    Pee Wee Butts
    Bill Byrd
    Roy Campanella
    Rev Cannady
    George Carr
    Bill Cash
    Pelayo Chacon
    Morten Clark
    Bus Clarkson
    Phil Cockrell
    Pancho Coimbre
    Andy Cooper
    Sug Cornelius
    Dewey Creacy
    Jimmy Crutchfield
    Ray Dandridge
    Lloyd Davenport
    Cherokee Davis
    Piper Davis
    Leon Day
    Bingo DeMoss
    Dizzy Dismukes
    Rap Dixon
    Larry Doby
    John Donaldson
    Ed Douglass
    Bunny Downs
    Bill Drake
    Frank Duncan, Jr
    Eddie Dwight
    Howard Easterling
    Roberto Estalella
    Jose Fernandez
    Bud Fowler
    Bill Francis
    Lefty Gaines
    Manuel Garcia
    Silvio Garcia
    Jelly Gardner
    George Giles
    Charlie Grant
    Leroy Grant
    Joe Greene
    Schoolboy Griffith
    Blainey Hall
    Nate Harris
    Abe Harrrison
    Rats Henderson
    Bill Holland
    Highpockets Hudspeth
    Sammy T. Hughes
    Bertrum Hunter
    Will Jackman
    Fats Jenkins
    Jeep Jessup
    Sam Jethro
    Judy Johnson
    Oscar "Heavy" Johnson
    Slim Jones
    Newt Joseph
    Edric Kellman
    Henry Kimbro
    Jim Lamarque
    Lester Lockett
    Tommy Louden
    Dick Lundy
    Jimmie Lyons
    Dave Malarcher
    Max Manning
    Oliver Marcelle
    Luis Marquez
    Horacio Martinez
    Verdell Mathis
    Leroy Matlock
    Dan McClellan
    Booker McDaniels
    Webster McDonald
    Terris McDuffie
    Henry McHenry
    Lefty McKinnis
    Hurley McNair
    Minnie Minoso
    Bill Monroe
    Leroy Morney
    Porter Moss
    Dink Mothel
    Emilio Navarro
    Diomedes Olivo
    Ted Page
    Red Parnell
    John Patterson
    Pat Patterson
    Jap Payne
    Leonard Pearson
    Bill Perkins
    Bruce Petway
    Spottswood Poles
    Alex Radcliffe
    Ted “Double Duty” Radcliffe
    Connie Rector
    Cannonball Dick Redding
    Frog Redus
    Bill Riggins
    Ed Rile
    Neal Robinson
    Nat Rogers
    Harry Salmon
    Tommy Sampson
    George Scales
    Pat Scantlebury
    Dick Seay
    Bonnie Serrell
    Chino Smith
    Clarence Smith
    Herb Souell
    Paul Stephens
    Ed Stone
    George Stovey
    Ted Strong
    Ben Taylor
    Candy Jim Taylor
    Jelly Taylor
    Clint Thomas
    Jules Thomas
    Showboat Thomas
    Luis Tiant Sr
    Ted Trent
    Quincy Trouppe
    Tetelo Vargas
    Fleetwood Walker
    Dick Wallace
    Archie Ware
    Frank Warfield
    Speck Webster
    Edgar Wesley
    Chaney White
    Sol White
    Frank Wickware
    Doc Wiley
    Bobby Williams
    Chet Williams
    Clarence Williams
    George Williams
    Gerard Williams
    Harry Williams
    Stringbean Williams
    Artie Wilson
    Dan Wilson
    George Wilson
    Nip Winters
    Parnell Woods
    Bill Wright
    George Wright
    Laymon Yokely
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    The voting for those not elected last round:

    Players (6 needed for election)
    Code:
    5	Quincy Trouppe
    4	Chino Smith 
    3	Leon Day
    3	Dick Lundy
    2	Ray Dandridge
    2	Bill Monroe
    1	John Donaldson
    1	Judy Johnson
    1	Cannonball Dick Redding
    Contributors(6 needed for election)
    Code:
    5	Gus Greenlee
    4	Andy Cooper
    3	Frank Leland
    3	Frank Warfield
    2	Alejandro Pompez
    1	Bud Fowler
    1	Abe Manley
    1	Effa Manley
    1	Candy Jim Taylor
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      This ballot starts to get near where the borderline is for me for this project.

      Players
      Cooper, A.
      Dandridge
      Day
      Donaldson
      Jackman, W
      Johnson, Heavy
      Lundy
      Monroe
      Poles
      Redding
      Scales
      Smith, C
      Taylor, B
      Trouppe
      Winters

      Contributors
      Andy Cooper
      Alejandro Pompez
      Frank Warfield

      I might be persuaded to add to my contributor list, and I could alter my player list a bit during the election.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        Players
        Dandridge, R
        Day, L
        Johnson, Judy
        Johnson, Oscar
        Lundy, D
        Poles, S
        Redding, D
        Smith, C
        Stovey, G
        Taylor, B
        Tiant, L
        Trouppe, Q
        Wright, G

        Contributors
        Andy Cooper
        Gus Greenlee
        Alejandro Pompez
        Frank Warfield

        Comment


        • #5
          Bumping this back up in hopes of drawing some votes.
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

          Comment


          • #6
            Players:

            Bus Clarkson
            Andy Cooper
            Ray Dandridge
            Leon Day
            John Donaldson
            Bill Jackman
            Judy Johnson (reputation should be enough to give him the nod here)
            Dick Lundy
            Bill Monroe
            Spotswood Poles
            Dick Redding
            Chino Smith
            Ben Taylor
            Luis Tiant Sr.
            Quincy Trouppe

            Contributors:

            Andy Cooper
            Bud Fowler
            Gus Greenlee
            Frank Leland
            Alejandro Pompez
            Last edited by jjpm74; 05-25-2011, 04:19 PM.

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            • #7
              Players:
              Clarkson, Bus
              Cooper, Andy * - considering his total career value - the majority of which is from his playing career
              Day, Leon
              Lundy, Dick
              Matlock, Leroy
              Monroe, Bill
              Poles, Spotswood
              Redding, Dick
              Taylor, Ben
              Trouppe, Quincy
              Last edited by Jar of Flies; 05-25-2011, 03:32 PM. Reason: Dropped Easter after realizing majority of his value was MLB/MILB
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              • #8
                Players
                Bus Clarkson
                Andy Cooper
                Ray Dandridge
                Leon Day
                John Donaldson
                Will Jackman
                Heavy Johnson
                Dick Lundy
                Bill Monroe
                Spotswood Poles
                Dick Redding
                Chino Smith
                Ben Taylor
                Luis Tiant, Sr.
                Quincy Trouppe

                Contributors
                Andy Cooper
                Gus Greenlee
                Alejandro Pompez
                Last edited by Chadwick; 05-19-2011, 07:02 PM.
                "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                • #9
                  Players:

                  Newt Allen
                  Andy Cooper
                  Ray Dandridge
                  Leon Day
                  John Donaldson
                  Sammy T. Hughes
                  Heavy Johnson
                  Judy Johnson
                  Dick Lundy
                  Bill Monroe
                  Spotswood Poles
                  Dick Redding
                  Chino Smith
                  Ben Taylor
                  Quincy Trouppe

                  Contributors:

                  Gus Greenlee
                  Alejandro Pompez
                  Frank Leland
                  Abe Manley
                  Candy Jim Taylor

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                  • #10
                    We've at least reached the minimum number of voters needed to possibly elect candidates on the player side. We're still one short on the contributor side.
                    Last edited by jalbright; 05-19-2011, 05:38 PM.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Brad Harris View Post
                      Players
                      Bus Clarkson
                      Andy Cooper
                      Ray Dandridge
                      Leon Day
                      John Donaldson
                      Will Jackman
                      Heavy Johnson
                      Dick Lundy
                      Bill Monroe
                      Spotswood Poles
                      Dick Redding
                      Chino Smith
                      George Stovey
                      Ben Taylor
                      Luis Tiant, Sr.
                      Quincy Trouppe
                      Hate to say this, good buddy, but you've got 16 names when 15 are allowed. Please drop one--I'll also PM you on this.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        We still have two voters from last election who have yet to vote this time: JW and leecemark. If one or both have not voted by Monday, I will follow up with a PM.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                          Hate to say this, good buddy, but you've got 16 names when 15 are allowed. Please drop one--I'll also PM you on this.
                          Thanks for the catch, Jim. I've amended my ballot to drop George Stovey. Please ignore the previous PM.

                          Thanks.
                          "It is a simple matter to erect a Hall of Fame, but difficult to select the tenants." -- Ken Smith
                          "I am led to suspect that some of the electorate is very dumb." -- Henry P. Edwards
                          "You have a Hall of Fame to put people in, not keep people out." -- Brian Kenny
                          "There's no such thing as a perfect ballot." -- Jay Jaffe

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                          • #14
                            Contributors
                            Andy Cooper
                            Gus Greenlee
                            Frank Leland

                            - my list of contributors ends here. More on Alex Pompez next post.

                            Players
                            Bill Byrd
                            Bus Clarkson
                            Andy Cooper
                            Leon Day
                            John Donaldson
                            Luke Easter
                            Dick Lundy
                            Leroy Matlock
                            Bill Monroe
                            Spottswood Poles
                            Dick Redding
                            George Scales
                            Chino Smith
                            Ben Taylor
                            Quincy Trouppe

                            - A number of these names would likely never get my Cooperstown vote. Look for next ballot to be less than fifteen. Still a few names (Jackman, Tiant) I'm undecided on.
                            Last edited by J W; 05-20-2011, 09:54 AM.
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                            • #15
                              Regarding Alejandro "Alex" Pompez - he would have my vote if he were clean(er). I'm weighing his career as a mob member against his contribution to Black & Latin Baseball. Normally I would say that a character issue is irrelevant, but you'd have to think that his profits from the numbers racket fueled his ball-clubs. Now, I know he wasn't the only minority baseball owner with illegal ties, but he is the most prominent such name today. I'd like opinions on the matter if anyone wants to give one.
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