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  • White Sox BBF franchise HOF, Round two

    This election will close on October 1, 2011, at 7:00 a.m EDT.

    This is the second round for this franchise. The first round is here.

    We inducted the following players:
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Eddie Collins
    Red Faber
    Carlton Fisk
    Nellie Fox
    Ted Lyons
    Minnie Minoso
    Billy Pierce
    Frank Thomas
    Ed Walsh

    Now the contributors:
    Charles Comiskey
    Al Lopez

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.
    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1906, 1917, 2005)
    - Pennants: 6 (1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005)
    - Division Titles: 6 ((1983, 1993, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (4): Frank Thomas (1994), Frank Thomas (1993), Dick Allen (1972), Nellie Fox (1959)

    - Cy Young Recipients (3): Jack McDowell (1993) LaMarr Hoyt (1983), Early Wynn (1959)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Ozzie Guillen (1985), Ron Kittle (1983), Tommie Agee (1966), Gary Peters (1963), Don Schwall (1961), Luis Aparicio (1956)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (0):

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Nellie Fox		15
    2	Luis Aparicio		9
    3	Sherm Lollar		8
    t4	Luke Appling		7
    t4	Minnie Minoso		7
    t4	Billy Pierce		7
    t7	Frank Thomas		5
    t7	Early Wynn		5
    t9	Harold Baines		4
    t9	Mark Buehrle*		4
    t9	Chico Carrasquel	4
    t9	Carlton Fisk		4
    t9	Paul Konerko*		4
    t9	Magglio Ordonez*	4
    t15	Dick Allen		3
    t15	Ozzie Guillen		3
    t15	Jack McDowell		3
    t15	Al Simmons		3
    t15	Wilbur Wood		3
    t20	Tommie Agee		2
    t20	Ray Durham		2
    t20	Jimmy Dykes		2
    t20	Ferris Fain		2
    t20	Goose Gossage		2
    t20	Bobby Jenks*		2
    t20	Jim Landis		2
    t20	Thornton Lee		2
    t20	Chet Lemon		2
    t20	Esteban Loaiza		2
    t20	Carlos May		2
    t20	Gary Peters		2
    t20	Juan Pizarro		2
    t20	Eddie Robinson		2
    t20	Al Smith		2
    t20	Eddie Smith		2
    t20	Gerry Staley		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Terry Bevington		437		.509
    Donie Bush		310		.384
    Nixey Callahan		648		.484
    Eddie Collins		336		.521
    Hugh Duffy		310		.477
    Jimmy Dykes		1850		.489
    Lew Fonseca		318		.380
    Jim Fregosi		419		.461
    Kid Gleason		759		.519	1		2
    Ozzie Guillen*		1135		.529	1		1		2
    Fielder Jones		739		.592	1		1
    Gene Lamont		468		.551					1
    Tony LaRussa^		1035		.506					1
    Al Lopez		1495		.564			1
    Ted Lyons		434		.430
    Jerry Manuel		515		.515					1
    Marty Marion		318		.565
    Paul Richards		774		.529
    Pants Rowland		591		.578
    Eddie Stanky		404		.511
    Chuck Tanner		818		.492
    Jeff Torborg		485		.515
    				
    * Current manager	
    ^ Currently managing another franchise
    Last edited by jalbright; 09-18-2011, 07:57 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Players:
    George Davis
    Alex Fernandez
    Tommy John
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Jack McDowell
    Johnny Mostil
    Ray Schalk
    Jim Scott
    Tommy Thomas
    Robin Ventura
    Doc White
    Wilbur Wood

    Contributors:
    Ozzie Guillen
    Gene Lamont
    Ron Scheuler
    Bill Veeck
    Ken Williams
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Players:

      George Davis
      Ray Durham
      Harry Hooper
      Lance Johnson
      Fielder Jones
      Willie Kamm
      Jim Landis
      Thornton Lee
      Chet Lemon
      Sherm Lollar
      Johnny Mostil
      Ray Schalk
      Robin Ventura
      Doc White
      Wilbur Wood

      Contributors:

      Harry Caray
      Hank Greenberg
      Ozzie Guillen
      Gene Lamont
      Bill Veeck

      Player Queue:

      Nick Altrock
      Harold Baines
      Chico Carrasquel
      Bibb Falk
      Roberto Hernandez
      Joe Kuel
      Jorge Orta
      Gary Peters
      Mike Tresh
      Buck Weaver
      Hoyt Wilhelm

      Comment


      • #4
        Players
        Dick Allen
        Harold Baines
        Chico Carrasquel
        Eddie Cicotte
        George Davis
        Fielder Jones
        Jim Kaat
        Jim Landis
        Thornton Lee
        Sherm Lollar
        Jack McDowell
        Gary Peters
        Robin Ventura
        Wilbur Wood
        Early Wynn

        Contributors
        Jimmy Dykes
        Bob Elson
        Kid Gleason
        Ozzie Guillen
        Bill Veeck

        Comment


        • #5
          Players
          Dick Allen
          Harold Baines
          George Davis
          Harry Hooper
          Chet Lemon
          Sherm Lollar
          Ray Schalk
          Robin Ventura
          Doc White
          Wilbur Wood

          Contributors
          Kid Gleason
          Ozzie Guillen
          Gene Lamont
          Bill Veeck

          Comment


          • #6
            Players
            Harold Baines
            Eddie Cicotte
            George Davis
            Shoeless Joe Jackson
            Fielder Jones
            Willie Kamm
            Thornton Lee
            Chet Lemon
            Sherm Lollar
            Johnny Mostil
            Gary Peters
            Ray Schalk
            Robin Ventura
            Doc White
            Wilbur Wood

            Contributors
            Jimmy Dykes
            Kid Gleason
            Ozzie Guillen
            Gene Lamont
            Jerry Manuel
            *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

            Comment


            • #7
              Dick Allen
              Harold Baines
              Chico Carrasquel
              Bibb Falk
              Joel Horlen
              Willie Kamm
              Sherm Lollar
              Bill Melton
              Johnny Mostil
              Gary Peters
              Rip Radcliff
              Ray Schalk
              Pete Ward
              Wilbur Wood
              Taffy Wright

              Contributors:
              Nelson Algren
              James T. Farrell
              Richard Roeper
              Bill Veeck
              Last edited by westsidegrounds; 09-18-2011, 08:36 PM. Reason: added three important contributors

              Comment


              • #8
                Players:

                Harold Baines

                Eddie Cicotte

                George Davis

                Shoeless Joe Jackson

                Tommy John

                Fielder Jones

                Willie Kamm

                Thorton Lee

                Chet Lemon

                Sherm Lollar

                Johnny Mostil

                Ray Schalk

                Robin Ventura

                Doc White

                Wilbur Wood

                Contributor:

                Bill Veeck

                Comment


                • #9
                  Players

                  Harold Baines
                  George Davis
                  Ray Schalk
                  Robin Ventura
                  Wilbur Wood

                  Contributers
                  Bill Veeck
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                  The Top 100 Pitchers In MLB History
                  The Top 100 Position Players In MLB History

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                  • #10
                    We've got eight votes on both ballots, so they've both got a shot at a third round.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Players
                      Dick Allen
                      Harold Baines
                      George Davis
                      LaMarr Hoyt
                      Joe Jackson
                      Chet Lemon
                      Sherm Lollar
                      Jack McDowell
                      Ray Schalk
                      Robin Ventura
                      Wilbur Wood
                      Early Wynn

                      Contributors
                      Kid Gleason
                      Ozzie Guillen
                      Fielder Jones
                      Gene Lamont
                      Bill Veeck
                      The Writer's Journey

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        We're down to just under 2 1/2 days left in this election.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          We had nine votes in both ballots. The contributor ballot is the final one for this franchise, but we will have another player ballot. I will produce the official results, with those above the ======= line elected, those below it not. The players will be listed first:

                          9 Wood, Wilbur
                          8 Davis, George
                          8 Lollar, Sherm
                          8 Schalk, Ray
                          8 Ventura, Robin
                          7 Baines, Harold
                          == ============
                          6 Lemon, Chet
                          5 Lee, Thornton
                          5 Mostil, Johnny
                          5 White, Doc
                          4 Allen, Dick
                          4 Jones, Fielder
                          4 Kamm, Willie
                          3 Cicotte, Eddie
                          3 Jackson, Joe
                          3 Landis, Jim
                          3 McDowell, Jack
                          3 Peters, Gary
                          2 Carrasquel, Chico
                          2 Hooper, Harry
                          2 John, Tommy
                          2 Wynn, Early
                          1 Durham, Ray
                          1 Falk, Bibb
                          1 Fernandez, Alex
                          1 Horlen, Joel
                          1 Hoyt, Lamar
                          1 Johnson, Lance
                          1 Kaat, Jim
                          1 Melton, Bill
                          1 Radcliff, Rip
                          1 Scott, Jim
                          1 Thomas, Tommy
                          1 Ward, Pete
                          1 Wright, Taffy


                          Now the contributors:
                          8 Veeck, Bill
                          == =============
                          5 Guillen, Ozzie
                          5 Lamont, Gene
                          4 Gleason, Kid
                          2 Dykes, Jimmy
                          2 Greenberg, Hank
                          1 Algren, Nelson
                          1 Caray, Harry
                          1 Elson, Bob
                          1 Farrell, James T.
                          1 Jones, Fielder
                          1 Manuel, Jerry
                          1 Roeper, Richard
                          1 Scheuler, Ron
                          1 Williams,Ken
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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