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  • #16
    Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
    Mmm. Most WAR, 800+ G in LF
    Eh, his statement wasn't that off the mark. Of your WAR list, Ruth and Robinson are generally regarded as RFers, while Bonds isn't yet eligible for the Hall of Fame. That leaves just Musial, Williams, and Henderson ahead of Yastrzemski in LF, and thus Henderson is the only notable omission from his statement.

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    • #17
      1. Ed Delahanty (10)
      2. Smokey Joe Williams (9)
      3. Mickey Cochrane (8)
      4. Al Kaline (7)
      5. Charlie Gehringer (6)
      6. Wade Boggs (5)
      7. Johnny Mize (4)
      8. Carl Yastrzemski (3)
      9. Robin Yount (2)
      10. Dan Brouthers (1)
      Eddie Murray
      Bob Gibson
      Carlton Fisk
      Carl Hubbell
      Arky Vaughan
      Al Simmons
      Turkey Stearnes
      Sam Crawford
      Rod Carew
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      • #18
        Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
        Eh, his statement wasn't that off the mark. Of your WAR list, Ruth and Robinson are generally regarded as RFers, while Bonds isn't yet eligible for the Hall of Fame. That leaves just Musial, Williams, and Henderson ahead of Yastrzemski in LF, and thus Henderson is the only notable omission from his statement.
        Well, sure, if you take his statement and change it to what YOU want it to mean, then that would be the case.
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        • #19
          1. Hank Greenberg
          2. Bob Gibson
          3. Sandy Koufax
          4. Roy Campanella
          5. Carl Yastrzemski
          6. Eddie Murray
          7. Juan Marichal
          8. Steve Carlton
          9. Al Kaline
          10. Willie Stargell
          3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

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          • #20
            1) Williams, Smokey Joe
            2) Vaughan, Arky
            3) Mize, Johnny
            4) Gibson, Bob
            5) Connor, Roger
            6) Stearnes, Turkey
            7) Boggs, Wade
            8) Brouthers, Dan
            9) Carlton, Steve
            10) Greenberg, Hank
            Last edited by Jar of Flies; 10-08-2011, 12:34 PM. Reason: Doublex mentioned that the already elected Mathews was on ballot...included Greenberg instead.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
              Eh, his statement wasn't that off the mark. Of your WAR list, Ruth and Robinson are generally regarded as RFers, while Bonds isn't yet eligible for the Hall of Fame. That leaves just Musial, Williams, and Henderson ahead of Yastrzemski in LF, and thus Henderson is the only notable omission from his statement.
              Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
              Well, sure, if you take his statement and change it to what YOU want it to mean, then that would be the case.
              DoubleX read into my statement correctly. Are Robinson and Ruth not generally excepted as Right Fielders? I mean, they are officially listed by the HoF as Right Fielders. If we're assigning multiple positions to players, I would have voted for Paul Molitor ages ago for having a 122 OPS+ with 197+ games at 4 positions.

              As for Bonds, he is not eligible. Also, I think you'll find a sizable sentiment that either all of Bonds career is negligible or at least the latter half. Wether you agree with that or not is moot as these are each our own ballots.

              As for Henderson, it's debatable where he stands amongst the casual fans and the fever-ites. Personally, I have Henderson behind Yastrzemski. However, I voted for Rickey earlier because it's a hall of fame ballot and not just "best player".
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                Well, sure, if you take his statement and change it to what YOU want it to mean, then that would be the case.
                Isn't that what you did by picking an arbitrary cutoff of 800 games in LF but using total career WAR?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                  Isn't that what you did by picking an arbitrary cutoff of 800 games in LF but using total career WAR?
                  I posted a list of players that, to me, was relevant to the comment made by The Dude, which made the dubious assertion that Yaz was "Considered the best LF after Musial and Williams". I believe that my list disproves that simple assertion. YMMV.
                  Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                    I posted a list of players that, to me, was relevant to the comment made by The Dude, which made the dubious assertion that Yaz was "Considered the best LF after Musial and Williams". I believe that my list disproves that simple assertion. YMMV.
                    I think the list would have been more telling if it showed only the WAR accumulated while playing LF (though that may be hard to do, unless you count just by primary seasons).

                    I do agree though that Henderson is a notable omission from his original statement (Bonds would be too if eligible).

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jar of Flies View Post
                      3) Mathews, Eddie
                      Mathews was elected in the last election. Please replace. Thanks.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                        I posted a list of players that, to me, was relevant to the comment made by The Dude, which made the dubious assertion that Yaz was "Considered the best LF after Musial and Williams". I believe that my list disproves that simple assertion. YMMV.
                        All your list does is prove that you are very good at using a database to manipulate statistics.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                          All your list does is prove that you are very good at using a database to manipulate statistics.
                          So you don't find the list to be useful? I'd say you're feeling listless.:joking::clowning:
                          Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                          Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                            So you don't find the list to be useful? I'd say you're feeling listless.:joking::clowning:
                            I find it very useful. It's just amusing that you are manipulating statistics to point out what you perceive as a logical flaw in someone's justification that is off by a whopping 1 person. I'm assuming you took intro to stats and are being facetious, Dan.

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                            • #29
                              1. Smokey Joe Williams
                              2. Reggie Jackson
                              3. Sandy Koufax
                              4. Hank Greenberg
                              5. Bob Gibson
                              6. Johnny Mize
                              7. Steve Carlton
                              8. Turkey Stearns
                              9. King Kelly
                              10. Carl Yastrzemski
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Freakshow View Post
                                Mmm. Most WAR, 800+ G in LF
                                Code:
                                Rk             Player WAR/pos OPS+    PA From   To    G
                                1           Babe Ruth   172.0  206 10617 1914 1935 2503 H
                                2         Barry Bonds   171.8  181 12606 1986 2007 2986
                                3         Stan Musial   127.8  159 12712 1941 1963 3026 H
                                4        Ted Williams   125.3  190  9791 1939 1960 2292 H
                                5    Rickey Henderson   113.1  127 13346 1979 2003 3081 H
                                6      Frank Robinson   107.4  154 11743 1956 1976 2808 H
                                7    Carl Yastrzemski    88.7  129 13991 1961 1983 3308 H
                                8        Ed Delahanty    74.7  152  8400 1888 1903 1837 H
                                9         Fred Clarke    73.4  132  9838 1894 1915 2246 H
                                10      Jesse Burkett    68.0  140  9620 1890 1905 2067 H
                                11      Manny Ramirez    67.2  154  9774 1993 2011 2302
                                12         Tim Raines    64.6  123 10359 1979 2002 2502
                                13         Al Simmons    63.6  132  9515 1924 1944 2215 H
                                14       Goose Goslin    63.0  128  9822 1921 1938 2287 H
                                15       Sherry Magee    59.1  136  8546 1904 1919 2087
                                16         Zack Wheat    57.8  129  9996 1909 1927 2410 H
                                17    Willie Stargell    57.5  147  9026 1962 1982 2360 H
                                18     Billy Williams    57.2  133 10519 1959 1976 2488 H
                                19        Joe Medwick    55.8  134  8142 1932 1948 1984 H
                                20         Joe Kelley    55.5  133  8139 1891 1908 1853 H
                                "WAR is not the only stat we look at."

                                - WAR fanatics

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