This election is over with the results below - keep in mind that we elected only four players this time as we elected six in the last election due to a tie for the final spot:
1) Bob Gibson - 94 (83 points, 12 votes; 1 first place)
2) Joe Williams - 92 (81 points, 11 votes; 4 first place)
3) Carl Yastrzemski - 76 (62 points, 14 votes)
4) Hank Greenberg - 74 (65 points, 9 votes; 2 first place)
5) Dan Brouthers - 59 (49 points, 10 votes; 1 first place)
6) Ed Delahanty - 55 (47 points, 8 votes; 1 first place)
7) Steve Carlton - 49 (39 points, 10 votes)
8) Sandy Koufax - 49 (42 points, 7 votes; 1 first place)
9) Al Kaline - 39 (32 votes, 7 votes)
10) John Ward - 39 (35 points, 4 votes; 2 first place)
11) Johnny Mize - 36 (30 points, 6 votes)
12) Turkey Stearnes - 34 (29 points, 5 votes)
13) Wade Boggs - 32 (26 points, 6 votes)
t14) Reggie Jackson - 31 (26 points, 5 votes)
t14) Charlie Gehringer - 31 (26 points, 5 votes)
16) Arky Vaughan - 31 (28 points, 3 votes; 1 first place)
t17) Mickey Cochrane - 18 (15 points, 3 votes)
t17) Roger Connor - 18 (15 points, 3 votes)
t19) King Kelly - 16 (13 votes, 3 points)
t19) Tony Gwynn - 16 (13 votes, 3 points)
21) Eddie Murray - 12 (10 points, 2 votes)
22) John Clarkson - 11 (10 points, 1 vote; 1 first place)
23) Roy Campanella - 10 (8 points, 2 votes)
24) Jesse Burkett - 10 (9 points, 1 vote)
25) Nolan Ryan - 7 (6 points, 1 vote)
26) Robin Yount - 6 (4 points, 2 votes)
27) Bullet Rogan - 6 (5 points, 1 vote)
t28) Martin Dihigo - 5 (4 points, 1 vote)
t28) Juan Marichal - 5 (4 points, 1 vote)
t30) Frank Baker - 3 (2 points, 1 vote)
t30) Sam Crawford - 3 (2 points, 1 vote)
t32) Willie McCovey - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)
t32) Willie Stargell - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)
t32) Paul Waner - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)
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Ranking the HoF Players: 42-45
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1 Dan Brouthers
2 Arky Vaughan
3 Ed Delahanty
4 Charlie Gehringer
5 Reggie Jackson
6 Steve Carlton
7 Joe Williams
8 Bob Gibson
9 Carl Yastrzemski
10 Wade Boggs
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Here's a look at those top 7 LFers in Freakshow's list when measured by WAR for seasons in which the player played more often in LF than anywhere else:
1) Barry Bonds - 168.9 (1987-2007)
2) Ted Williams - 118.5 (1940-1942, 1946-1960)
3) Rickey Henderson - 92.7 (1979-1984, 1988-2003)
4) Carl Yastrzemski - 58.9 (1961-1963, 1965-1969, 1971-1972, 1977-1978)
5) Babe Ruth - 48.1 (1918-1919, 1921-1922, 1926, 1935)
6) Stan Musial - 31.2 (1942, 1951, 1953, 1960-1963)
7) Frank Robinson - 21.6 (1956-1958, 1963)
Now obviously this is somewhat misleading in that several of these players would move around within a season and have several other seasons where they would play lots of games in LF (Musial and Yastrzemski in particular), though still, if the player is playing more games at other positions within a season that player can't really be defined as a LFer for that season (plus, it would be too difficult to break down the in-season WAR by position). Plus, this just shows that numbers can be easily played with to make a variety of points.
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Originally posted by Freakshow View PostMmm. Most WAR, 800+ G in LF
Code:Rk Player WAR/pos OPS+ PA From To G 1 Babe Ruth 172.0 206 10617 1914 1935 2503 H 2 Barry Bonds 171.8 181 12606 1986 2007 2986 3 Stan Musial 127.8 159 12712 1941 1963 3026 H 4 Ted Williams 125.3 190 9791 1939 1960 2292 H 5 Rickey Henderson 113.1 127 13346 1979 2003 3081 H 6 Frank Robinson 107.4 154 11743 1956 1976 2808 H 7 Carl Yastrzemski 88.7 129 13991 1961 1983 3308 H 8 Ed Delahanty 74.7 152 8400 1888 1903 1837 H 9 Fred Clarke 73.4 132 9838 1894 1915 2246 H 10 Jesse Burkett 68.0 140 9620 1890 1905 2067 H 11 Manny Ramirez 67.2 154 9774 1993 2011 2302 12 Tim Raines 64.6 123 10359 1979 2002 2502 13 Al Simmons 63.6 132 9515 1924 1944 2215 H 14 Goose Goslin 63.0 128 9822 1921 1938 2287 H 15 Sherry Magee 59.1 136 8546 1904 1919 2087 16 Zack Wheat 57.8 129 9996 1909 1927 2410 H 17 Willie Stargell 57.5 147 9026 1962 1982 2360 H 18 Billy Williams 57.2 133 10519 1959 1976 2488 H 19 Joe Medwick 55.8 134 8142 1932 1948 1984 H 20 Joe Kelley 55.5 133 8139 1891 1908 1853 H
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1. Smokey Joe Williams
2. Reggie Jackson
3. Sandy Koufax
4. Hank Greenberg
5. Bob Gibson
6. Johnny Mize
7. Steve Carlton
8. Turkey Stearns
9. King Kelly
10. Carl Yastrzemski
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Originally posted by Freakshow View PostSo you don't find the list to be useful? I'd say you're feeling listless.:joking::clowning:
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Originally posted by Freakshow View PostI posted a list of players that, to me, was relevant to the comment made by The Dude, which made the dubious assertion that Yaz was "Considered the best LF after Musial and Williams". I believe that my list disproves that simple assertion. YMMV.
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Originally posted by Freakshow View PostI posted a list of players that, to me, was relevant to the comment made by The Dude, which made the dubious assertion that Yaz was "Considered the best LF after Musial and Williams". I believe that my list disproves that simple assertion. YMMV.
I do agree though that Henderson is a notable omission from his original statement (Bonds would be too if eligible).
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Originally posted by DoubleX View PostIsn't that what you did by picking an arbitrary cutoff of 800 games in LF but using total career WAR?
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Originally posted by DoubleX View PostEh, his statement wasn't that off the mark. Of your WAR list, Ruth and Robinson are generally regarded as RFers, while Bonds isn't yet eligible for the Hall of Fame. That leaves just Musial, Williams, and Henderson ahead of Yastrzemski in LF, and thus Henderson is the only notable omission from his statement.Originally posted by Freakshow View PostWell, sure, if you take his statement and change it to what YOU want it to mean, then that would be the case.
As for Bonds, he is not eligible. Also, I think you'll find a sizable sentiment that either all of Bonds career is negligible or at least the latter half. Wether you agree with that or not is moot as these are each our own ballots.
As for Henderson, it's debatable where he stands amongst the casual fans and the fever-ites. Personally, I have Henderson behind Yastrzemski. However, I voted for Rickey earlier because it's a hall of fame ballot and not just "best player".
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