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  • Ranking the HoF Players: 66-70

    Project Summary: To rank the worthiness of the players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame from most worthy to least worthy.

    Election Format: Voters will submit ballots ranking their 10 most worthy remaining Hall of Fame players in order of worthiness. Each first place vote will be worth 10 points, with each successive rank being worth one point less than the previous rank, ending in a tenth place vote being worth 1 point. Players will also receive one additional point for each ballot they are listed on and players must be listed on at least three ballots in order to be elected. The five players with the highest support at the end of each election will be elected in the order of their support. Elections will last approximately seven days.
    - Tiebreakers: In the event of a tie among players at the end of an election, the first tiebreaker will be the total number of ballot appearance in that election. The second tiebreaker will be total number of points irrespective of number of ballots. The third tiebreaker will be the number first place votes in that election. In the event that there remains a tie for the fifth and final spot in an election, there will be a three day run-off by poll. Players that lose in a run-off will slot into the next ranking spot.

    Factors to Consider: As this project focuses on players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, subjective qualities beyond just statistics should be taken into consideration in determining a player's relative worthiness. In that vein, the voting guidelines that the BBWAA is to follow in actual National Baseball Hall of Fame elections, may be instructive (though not necessarily determinative in this project): "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

    Player Eligibility: Only players that have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame as players are eligible, including Negro League players and 19th Century players. A complete list of individuals that have been inducted as players is available at the National Baseball Hall of Fame's website, and is recreated below along with each player's corresponding BBF Rank as determined by this project:

    Master List
    Code:
    Player				BBF Rank
    Hank Aaron			5
    Grover Alexander		18
    Roberto Alomar
    Cap Anson			25
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Richie Ashburn
    Earl Averill
    Frank Baker
    Dave Bancroft
    Ernie Banks			65
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell
    Johnny Bench			31
    Chief Bender
    Yogi Berra			34
    Bert Blyleven
    Wade Boggs			53
    Jim Bottomley
    Lou Boudreau
    Roger Bresnahan
    George Brett			36
    Lou Brock
    Dan Brouthers			46
    Mordecai Brown
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Jim Bunning
    Jesse Burkett
    Roy Campanella			64
    Rod Carew			61
    Max Carey
    Steve Carlton			47
    Gary Carter
    Orlando Cepeda
    Frank Chance
    Oscar Charleston		21
    Jack Chesbro
    Fred Clarke
    John Clarkson
    Roberto Clemente		41
    Ty Cobb				3
    Mickey Cochrane			55
    Eddie Collins			16
    Jimmy Collins
    Earle Combs
    Roger Connor			58
    Andy Cooper
    Stan Coveleski
    Sam Crawford
    Joe Cronin
    Kiki Cuyler
    Ray Dandridge
    George Davis
    Andre Dawson
    Leon Day
    Dizzy Dean
    Ed Delahanty			49
    Bill Dickey
    Martin Dihigo	
    Joe DiMaggio			20
    Larry Doby
    Bobby Doerr
    Don Drysdale
    Hugh Duffy
    Dennis Eckersley
    Johnny Evers
    Buck Ewing
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller			40
    Rick Ferrell
    Rollie Fingers
    Carlton Fisk
    Elmer Flick
    Whitey Ford
    Bill Foster
    Nellie Fox
    Jimmie Foxx			28
    Frankie Frisch
    Pud Galvin
    Lou Gehrig			8
    Charlie Gehringer		54
    Bob Gibson			42
    Josh Gibson			15
    Lefty Gomez
    Joe Gordon
    Goose Goslin
    Rich Gossage
    Frank Grant
    Hank Greenberg			45
    Burleigh Grimes
    Lefty Grove			23
    Tony Gwynn			62
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Billy Hamilton
    Gabby Hartnett
    Harry Heilmann
    Rickey Henderson		27
    Billy Herman
    Pete Hill
    Harry Hooper
    Rogers Hornsby			12
    Waite Hoyt
    Carl Hubbell			63
    Catfish Hunter
    Monte Irvin
    Reggie Jackson			56
    Travis Jackson	
    Ferguson Jenkins
    Hugh Jennings
    Judy Johnson
    Walter Johnson			7
    Addie Joss
    Al Kaline			51
    Tim Keefe
    Willie Keeler
    George Kell
    Joe Kelley
    George Kelly
    King Kelly
    Harmon Killebrew
    Ralph Kiner
    Chuck Klein
    Sandy Koufax			48
    Nap Lajoie			29
    Tony Lazzeri
    Bob Lemon
    Buck Leonard
    Freddie Lindstrom
    Pop Lloyd			37
    Ernie Lombard
    Ted Lyons
    Biz Mackey
    Mickey Mantle			11
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Juan Marichal
    Rube Marquard
    Eddie Mathews			39
    Christy Mathewson		26
    Willie Mays			2
    Bill Mazeroski
    Tommy McCarthy
    Willie McCovey
    Joe McGinnity
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Medwick
    Jose Mendez
    Johnny Mize			50
    Paul Molitor
    Joe Morgan			30
    Eddie Murray
    Stan Musial			10
    Hal Newhouser
    Kid Nichols			38
    Phil Niekro
    Jim O’Rourke
    Mel Ott				32
    Satchel Paige			17
    Jim Palmer
    Herb Pennock
    Tony Perez
    Gaylord Perry
    Eddie Plank
    Kirby Puckett
    Charles Radbourn
    Pee Wee Reese
    Jim Rice
    Sam Rice
    Cal Ripken			35
    Eppa Rixey
    Phil Rizzuto
    Robin Roberts
    Brooks Robinson
    Frank Robinson			19
    Jackie Robinson			13
    Bullet Rogan
    Edd Roush
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie
    Babe Ruth			1
    Nolan Ryan			59
    Ryne Sandberg
    Louis Santop
    Ray Schalk
    Mike Schmidt			22
    Red Schoendienst
    Tom Seaver			24
    Joe Sewell
    Al Simmons
    George Sisler
    Enos Slaughter
    Hilton Smith
    Ozzie Smith
    Duke Snider
    Warren Spahn			33
    Tris Speaker			14
    Willie Stargell
    Turkey Stearnes			52
    Bruce Sutter
    Mule Suttles
    Don Sutton
    Ben Taylor
    Bill Terry
    Sam Thompson
    Joe Tinker
    Cristobal Torriente
    Pie Traynor
    Dazzy Vance
    Arky Vaughan			57
    Rube Waddell
    Honus Wagner			6
    Bobby Wallace
    Ed Walsh
    Lloyd Waner
    Paul Waner
    John Ward
    Mickey Welch
    Willie Wells
    Zack Wheat
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    Billy Williams
    Joe Williams			43
    Ted Williams			4
    Vic Willis
    Hack Wilson
    Jud Wilson
    Dave Winfield
    Early Wynn
    Carl Yastrzemski		44
    Cy Young			9
    Ross Youngs
    Robin Yount			60
    Ranking by Primary Position
    Catcher (5): Josh Gibson (15), Johnny Bench (31), Yogi Berra (34), Mickey Cochrane (35), Roy Campanella (64)

    First Base (7): Lou Gehrig (8), Cap Anson (25), Jimmie Foxx (28), Hank Greenberg (45), Dan Brouthers (46), Johnny Mize (50), Roger Connor (58)

    Second Base (7): Rogers Hornsby (12), Jackie Robinson (13), Eddie Collins (16), Nap Lajoie (29), Joe Morgan (30), Charlie Gehringer (54), Rod Carew (61)

    Shortstop (6): Honus Wagner (6), Cal Ripken (35), Pop Lloyd (37), Arky Vaughan (57), Robin Yount (60), Ernie Banks (65)

    Third Base (4): Mike Schmidt (22), George Brett (36), Eddie Mathews (39), Wade Boggs (53)

    Left Field (5): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Rickey Henderson (27), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Ed Delahanty (49)

    Center Field (7): Willie Mays (2), Ty Cobb (3), Mickey Mantle (11), Tris Speaker (14), Joe DiMaggio (20), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52)

    Right Field (8): Babe Ruth (1), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Mel Ott (32), Roberto Clemente (41), Al Kaline (51), Reggie Jackson (56), Tony Gwynn (62)

    Pitcher (16): Walter Johnson (7), Cy Young (9), Satchel Paige (17), Grover Alexander (18), Lefty Grove (23), Tom Seaver (24), Christy Mathewson (26), Warren Spahn (33), Kid Nichols (38), Bob Feller (40), Bob Gibson (42), Joe Williams (43), Steve Carlton (47), Sandy Koufax (48), Nolan Ryan (59), Carl Hubbell (63)

    Links to Previous Elections
    Election 1-5
    Election 6-10
    Election 11-15
    Election 16-20
    Election 21- 25
    Election 26-30
    Election 31-35
    Election 36-40 (41)
    Election 42-45
    Election 46-50
    Election 51-55
    Election 56-60
    Election 61-65

  • #2
    1) Sam Crawford
    2) Juan Marichal
    3) Duke Snider
    4) George Davis
    5) Billy Hamilton
    6) Harmon Killebrew
    7) Robin Roberts
    8) John Clarkson
    9) Tim Keefe
    10) Jesse Burkett

    It's tough going at this point, but I'm surprised that Harmon Killebrew has received very little support and Tim Keefe no support at all to this point. John Clarkson has received some support the last few elections, and is Keefe really that different?

    As for Killebrew, until the juiced era, he ranked 5th all time in homeruns and was considered one of the most fearsome power hitters in the game's history. In many ways, Killebrew was the prototype for the type of hitter that became valued during the juiced era - lots of power and a high OBP. Beyond that, he was a six time homerun champion, three times led in RBI, the 1969 AL MVP (plus five more top 5 finishes), and the biggest star in the history of the Twins franchise. I realize some people will say why Killebrew's contemporary 1Bman, Willie McCovey, who had a slightly higher OPS+ and WAR. My nod goes to Killebrew because I believe he was the bigger star for longer (13 to 6 lead in All Star selections, much greater MVP support throughout his career, plus the greater homerun hitting notoriety), and I like that Killebrew's career had the added versatility of playing nearly 800 games at 3B.

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    • #3
      1) John Montgomery ward
      2) Martin DiHigo
      3) Sam Crawford
      4) Buck Ewing
      5) Frankie Frisch
      6) Harmon Killebrew
      7) Willie Stargell
      8) King Kelly
      9) Billy Hamilton
      10) Dennis Eckersley

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      • #4
        1. Monte Ward - 10
        2. King Kelly - 9
        3. Buck Ewing - 8
        4. Sam Crawford - 7
        5. Buck Leonard - 6
        6. Bill Dickey - 5
        7. Juan Marichal - 4
        8. Paul Waner - 3
        9. Harmon Killebrew - 2
        10. Duke Snider - 1

        next up in some sort of order might be Clarkson, Keefe, Al Simmons, Ford, George Davis, King Kelly, Baker, Dihigo, Fisk, Frisch, Murray, McCovey, Stargell, Ozzie Smith, Winfield...goodness its endless

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        • #5
          1. Eddie Murray (10)
          2. Carlton Fisk (9)
          3. Al Simmons (8)
          4. Sam Crawford (7)
          5. George Davis (6)
          6. Gary Carter (5)
          7. Eddie Plank (4)
          8. Duke Snider (3)
          9. Mordecai Brown (2)
          10. Buck Ewing (1)
          Joe Cronin
          Martin Dihigo
          Jim Palmer
          Frank Baker
          Willie McCovey
          Ed Walsh
          Willie Wells
          Mule Suttles
          Tim Keefe
          John Clarkson
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          • #6
            Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
            As for Killebrew, until the juiced era, he ranked 5th all time in homeruns and was considered one of the most fearsome power hitters in the game's history. In many ways, Killebrew was the prototype for the type of hitter that became valued during the juiced era - lots of power and a high OBP. Beyond that, he was a six time homerun champion, three times led in RBI, the 1969 AL MVP (plus five more top 5 finishes), and the biggest star in the history of the Twins franchise. I realize some people will say why Killebrew's contemporary 1Bman, Willie McCovey, who had a slightly higher OPS+ and WAR. My nod goes to Killebrew because I believe he was the bigger star for longer (13 to 6 lead in All Star selections, much greater MVP support throughout his career, plus the greater homerun hitting notoriety), and I like that Killebrew's career had the added versatility of playing nearly 800 games at 3B.
            Killebrew is the next name I have below Clarkson. For me it's a case of his horrible glove driving him down the all-time rankings a bit. Not that McCovey was stellar (far from it), but Killer in today's game would be a DH. They're very close in value to me.
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            • #7
              1. Dennis Eckersley
              2. Joe Medwick
              3. Harmon Killebrew
              4. Bullet Rogan
              5. Martin Dihigo
              6. Sam Crawford
              7. Paul Waner
              8. Duke Snider
              9. Harry Heilmann
              10. Paul Molitor

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              • #8
                1. George Davis
                2. King Kelly
                3. Buck Ewing
                4. Al Simmons
                5. Gaylord Perry
                6. Eddie Plank
                7. Eddie Murray
                8. Sam Crawford
                9. Martin Dihigo
                10. Paul Waner

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                • #9
                  1 - Monte Ward
                  2 - King Kelly
                  3 - Whitey Ford
                  4 - Billy Hamilton
                  5 - Sam Crawford
                  6 - Willie McCovey
                  7 - Buck Ewing
                  8- Three Finger Brown
                  9 - Duke Snider
                  10 - John Clarkson

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                  • #10
                    1. George Davis
                    2. Phil Niekro
                    3. Bullet Joe Rogan
                    4. Gaylord Perry
                    5. Bert Blyleven
                    6. Billy Hamilton
                    7. John Clarkson
                    8. Robin Roberts
                    9. Fergie Jenkins
                    10. Frankie Frisch
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                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                    • #11
                      1. Eddie Murray
                      2. King Kelly
                      3. John Ward
                      4. George Davis
                      5. Gary Carter
                      6. John Clarkson
                      7. Carlton Fisk
                      8. Sam Crawford
                      9. Gaylord Perry
                      10. Bullet Rogan

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                      • #12
                        I remain amazed at how little support Snider gets. He was a truly great player, one of only a few real 5 tool players. And, he played a key role on an iconic team. When they used to compare Willie, Mickey, and the Duke they were serious. Duke wasn't quite as good and injuries cut short his run of great seasons but he was still a magical player. I don't get it, frankly.

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                        • #13
                          1. Eddie Murray
                          2. Juan Marichal
                          3. Willie Stargell
                          4. Willie McCovey
                          5. Phil Niekro
                          6. Carlton Fisk
                          7. Ferguson Jenkins
                          8. Duke Snider
                          9. Whitey Ford
                          10. Harmon Killebrew
                          3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

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                          • #14
                            01. George Davis
                            02. Phil Niekro
                            03. Joe Rogan
                            04. Duke Snider
                            05. Sam Crawford
                            06. Juan Marichal
                            07. Buck Leonard
                            08. Mordecai Brown
                            09. Billy Hamilton
                            10. Fergie Jenkins

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                              I remain amazed at how little support Snider gets. He was a truly great player, one of only a few real 5 tool players. And, he played a key role on an iconic team. When they used to compare Willie, Mickey, and the Duke they were serious. Duke wasn't quite as good and injuries cut short his run of great seasons but he was still a magical player. I don't get it, frankly.
                              I think we're getting to a point where voters have a lot of players closely clustered together, so there aren't going to be many standouts. That being said, I just did a quick count and saw that Snider was already listed on 7 of the 10 or 11 ballots that have been submitted, so that should give him a fighting chance and would look to be a good bet for election in one of the next two elections.

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