Ranking the HoF Players: 66-70

[leecemark]

--I think Hoss Radbourne better defines the era of the super workhorse pitcher better than either Clarkson or Keefe. He'll be on my ballot before either, perhaps as early as the next one.

[J W]

Surprised at the disparity between Clarkson and Keefe... but that's about it. Snider finishes 67th.

[DoubleX]

This election is over, and I think we have our strongest consensus winner in a few elections:

1) Sam Crawford - 92 (79 points, 13 votes; 2 first place)
2) Duke Snider - 65 (54 points, 11 votes)
3) George Davis - 65 (58 points, 7 votes; 3 first place)
4) King Kelly - 61 (53 points, 8 votes; 1 first place)
5) John Ward - 56 (50 points, 6 votes; 4 first place)

6) Eddie Murray - 52 (45 points, 7 votes; 3 first place)
7) Buck Ewing - 41 (35 points, 6 votes)
8) Harmon Killebrew - 38 (31 points, 7 votes)
9) Bullet Rogan - 38 (32 points, 6 votes)
10) Paul Waner - 33 (27 points, 6 votes)
11) Robin Roberts - 33 (28 points, 5 votes)
12) Gary Carter - 33 (29 point, 4 votes)
13) Billy Hamilton - 32 (26 points, 6 votes)
14) Martin Dihigo - 32 (25 points, 5 votes)
15) Carlton Fisk - 32 (28 points, 4 votes; 1 first place)
16) Juan Marichal - 31 (27 points, 4 votes)
17) John Clarkson - 28 (23 points, 5 votes; 1 first place)
18) Willie McCovey - 28 (23 points, 5 votes)
19) Phil Niekro - 27 (24 points, 3 votes)
20) Gaylord Perry - 26 (21 points, 5 votes)
21) Al Simmons - 24 (20 points, 4 votes)
t22) Buck Leonard - 19 (16 points, 3 votes)
t22) Willie Stargell - 19 (16 points, 3 votes)
24) Whitey Ford - 17 (14 points, 3 votes)
25) Bert Blyleven - 15 (13 points, 2 votes)
26) Fergie Jenkins - 14 (10 points, 4 votes)
27) Frankie Frisch - 14 (11 points, 3 votes)
28) Dennis Eckersley - 13 (11 points, 2 votes; 1 first place)
29) Jesse Burkett - 12 (10 points, 2 votes)
30) Mordecai Brown - 11 (8 points, 3 votes)
31) Eddie Plank - 11 (9 points, 2 votes)
32) Joe Medwick - 10 (9 points, 1 vote)
33) Bill Dickey - 6 (5 points, 1 vote)
34) Luke Appling - 4 (3 points, 1 vote)
t35) Harry Heilmann - 3 (2 points, 1 vote)
t35) Tim Keefe - 3 (2 points, 1 voe)
37) Paul Molitor - 2 (1 point, 1 vote)

[DoubleX]

Two days left.

[BigRon]

1. John Ward
2. Duke Snider
3. Robin Roberts
4. Paul Waner
5. Sam Crawford
6. Harmon Killebrew
7. Whitey Ford
8. Willie McCovey
9. Al Simmons
10. Eddie Murray

[Cowtipper]

Cowtipper, you only have 9 players listed. Please add a player when you get a chance.

It's been fixed.

[Freakshow]

1 Sam Crawford
2 Duke Snider
3 Robin Roberts
4 Buck Ewing
5 Martin Dihigo
6 Paul Waner
7 Frankie Frisch
8 King Kelly
9 Eddie Murray
10 Willie McCovey

[J W]

I think we're getting to a point where voters have a lot of players closely clustered together, so there aren't going to be many standouts. That being said, I just did a quick count and saw that Snider was already listed on 7 of the 10 or 11 ballots that have been submitted, so that should give him a fighting chance and would look to be a good bet for election in one of the next two elections.

I would also note that we're still in an area where we're sorting out truly great players. Look at the last five elected: Rod Carew, Tony Gwynn, Carl Hubbell, Roy Campanella and Ernie Banks. Those guys are all legendary.

I think, just glancing over the master list, that once we get past the 100-110 mark we're going to see a real decline in value/mystique.

[Jar of Flies]

1. Carlton Fisk
2. Gary Carter
3. George Davis
4. Bert Blyleven
5. Bullet Joe Rogan
6. Robin Roberts
7. Martin Dihigo
8. Luke Appling
9. Sam Crawford
10. King Kelly

Top 10 ineligible:
Alan Trammell
Bill Dahlen

[DoubleX]

1) John Clarkson (10)
2) Jesse Burkett (9)
4) Eddie Murray (7)
5) Paul Waner (6)
6) Sam Crawford (5)
7) Gaylord Perry (4)
8) Billy Hamilton (3)
9) Al Simmons (2)
10) Bullet Rogan (1)

Cowtipper, you only have 9 players listed. Please add a player when you get a chance.

[Cowtipper]

1) John Clarkson (10)
2) Jesse Burkett (9)
3) Eddie Murray (8)
4) Paul Waner (7)
5) Sam Crawford (6)
6) Gaylord Perry (5)
7) Billy Hamilton (4)
8) Al Simmons (3)
9) Bullet Rogan (2)
10) Duke Snider (1)

[hairmetalfreek]

1. King Kelly
2. Gary Carter
3. Duke Snider
4. Willie McCovey
5. Buck Leonard
6. Harmon Killebrew
7. Willie Stargell
8. Fergie Jenkins
9. Monte Ward
10. Gaylord Perry

[DoubleX]

I remain amazed at how little support Snider gets. He was a truly great player, one of only a few real 5 tool players. And, he played a key role on an iconic team. When they used to compare Willie, Mickey, and the Duke they were serious. Duke wasn't quite as good and injuries cut short his run of great seasons but he was still a magical player. I don't get it, frankly.

I think we're getting to a point where voters have a lot of players closely clustered together, so there aren't going to be many standouts. That being said, I just did a quick count and saw that Snider was already listed on 7 of the 10 or 11 ballots that have been submitted, so that should give him a fighting chance and would look to be a good bet for election in one of the next two elections.

[Domenic]

01. George Davis
02. Phil Niekro
03. Joe Rogan
04. Duke Snider
05. Sam Crawford
06. Juan Marichal
07. Buck Leonard
08. Mordecai Brown
09. Billy Hamilton
10. Fergie Jenkins

[Los Bravos]

1. Eddie Murray
2. Juan Marichal
3. Willie Stargell
4. Willie McCovey
5. Phil Niekro
6. Carlton Fisk
7. Ferguson Jenkins
8. Duke Snider
9. Whitey Ford
10. Harmon Killebrew