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  • Ranking the HoF Players: 76-80

    Project Summary: To rank the worthiness of the players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame from most worthy to least worthy.

    Election Format: Voters will submit ballots ranking their 10 most worthy remaining Hall of Fame players in order of worthiness. Each first place vote will be worth 10 points, with each successive rank being worth one point less than the previous rank, ending in a tenth place vote being worth 1 point. Players will also receive one additional point for each ballot they are listed on and players must be listed on at least three ballots in order to be elected. The five players with the highest support at the end of each election will be elected in the order of their support. Elections will last approximately seven days.
    - Tiebreakers: In the event of a tie among players at the end of an election, the first tiebreaker will be the total number of ballot appearance in that election. The second tiebreaker will be total number of points irrespective of number of ballots. The third tiebreaker will be the number first place votes in that election. In the event that there remains a tie for the fifth and final spot in an election, there will be a three day run-off by poll. Players that lose in a run-off will slot into the next ranking spot.

    Factors to Consider: As this project focuses on players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, subjective qualities beyond just statistics should be taken into consideration in determining a player's relative worthiness. In that vein, the voting guidelines that the BBWAA is to follow in actual National Baseball Hall of Fame elections, may be instructive (though not necessarily determinative in this project): "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

    Player Eligibility: Only players that have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame as players are eligible, including Negro League players and 19th Century players. A complete list of individuals that have been inducted as players is available at the National Baseball Hall of Fame's website, and is recreated below along with each player's corresponding BBF Rank as determined by this project:

    1) Babe Ruth
    2) Willie Mays
    3) Ty Cobb
    4) Ted Williams
    5) Hank Aaron
    6) Honus Wagner
    7) Walter Johnson
    8) Lou Gehrig
    9) Cy Young
    10) Stan Musial
    11) Mickey Mantle
    12) Rogers Hornsby
    13) Jackie Robinson
    14) Tris Speaker
    15) Josh Gibson
    16) Eddie Collins
    17) Satchel Paige
    18) Grover Alexander
    19) Frank Robinson
    20) Joe DiMaggio
    21) Oscar Charleston
    22) Mike Schmidt
    23) Lefty Grove
    24) Tom Seaver
    25) Cap Anson
    26) Christy Mathewson
    27) Rickey Henderson
    28) Jimmie Foxx
    29) Nap Lajoie
    30) Joe Morgan
    31) Johnny Bench
    32) Mel Ott
    33) Warren Spahn
    34) Yogi Berra
    35) Cal Ripken
    36) George Brett
    37) Pop Lloyd
    38) Kid Nichols
    39) Eddie Mathews
    40) Bob Feller
    41) Roberto Clemente
    42) Bob Gibson
    43) Joe Williams
    44) Carl Yastrzemski
    45) Hank Greenberg
    46) Dan Brouthers
    47) Steve Carlton
    48) Sandy Koufax
    49) Ed Delahanty
    50) Johnny Mize
    51) Al Kaline
    52) Turkey Stearnes
    53) Wade Boggs
    54) Charlie Gehringer
    55) Mickey Cochrane
    56) Reggie Jackson
    57) Arky Vaughan
    58) Roger Connor
    59) Nolan Ryan
    60) Robin Yount
    61) Rod Carew
    62) Tony Gwynn
    63) Carl Hubbell
    64) Roy Campanella
    65) Ernie Banks
    66) Sam Crawford
    67) Duke Snider
    68) George Davis
    69) King Kelly
    70) John Ward
    71) Eddie Murray
    72) Bullet Rogan
    73) Harmon Killebrew
    74) Buck Ewing
    75) Billy Hamilton

    Master List
    [B][U]Player				BBF Rank[/U][/B]
    Hank Aaron			5
    Grover Alexander		18
    Roberto Alomar
    Cap Anson			25
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Richie Ashburn
    Earl Averill
    Frank Baker
    Dave Bancroft
    Ernie Banks			65
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell
    Johnny Bench			31
    Chief Bender
    Yogi Berra			34
    Bert Blyleven
    Wade Boggs			53
    Jim Bottomley
    Lou Boudreau
    Roger Bresnahan
    George Brett			36
    Lou Brock
    Dan Brouthers			46
    Mordecai Brown
    Ray Brown
    Willard Brown
    Jim Bunning
    Jesse Burkett
    Roy Campanella			64
    Rod Carew			61
    Max Carey
    Steve Carlton			47
    Gary Carter
    Orlando Cepeda
    Frank Chance
    Oscar Charleston		21
    Jack Chesbro
    Fred Clarke
    John Clarkson
    Roberto Clemente		41
    Ty Cobb				3
    Mickey Cochrane			55
    Eddie Collins			16
    Jimmy Collins
    Earle Combs
    Roger Connor			58
    Andy Cooper
    Stan Coveleski
    Sam Crawford			66
    Joe Cronin
    Kiki Cuyler
    Ray Dandridge
    George Davis			68
    Andre Dawson
    Leon Day
    Dizzy Dean
    Ed Delahanty			49
    Bill Dickey
    Martin Dihigo	
    Joe DiMaggio			20
    Larry Doby
    Bobby Doerr
    Don Drysdale
    Hugh Duffy
    Dennis Eckersley
    Johnny Evers
    Buck Ewing			74
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller			40
    Rick Ferrell
    Rollie Fingers
    Carlton Fisk
    Elmer Flick
    Whitey Ford
    Bill Foster
    Nellie Fox
    Jimmie Foxx			28
    Frankie Frisch
    Pud Galvin
    Lou Gehrig			8
    Charlie Gehringer		54
    Bob Gibson			42
    Josh Gibson			15
    Lefty Gomez
    Joe Gordon
    Goose Goslin
    Rich Gossage
    Frank Grant
    Hank Greenberg			45
    Burleigh Grimes
    Lefty Grove			23
    Tony Gwynn			62
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Billy Hamilton			75
    Gabby Hartnett
    Harry Heilmann
    Rickey Henderson		27
    Billy Herman
    Pete Hill
    Harry Hooper
    Rogers Hornsby			12
    Waite Hoyt
    Carl Hubbell			63
    Catfish Hunter
    Monte Irvin
    Reggie Jackson			56
    Travis Jackson	
    Ferguson Jenkins
    Hugh Jennings
    Judy Johnson
    Walter Johnson			7
    Addie Joss
    Al Kaline			51
    Tim Keefe
    Willie Keeler
    George Kell
    Joe Kelley
    George Kelly
    King Kelly			69
    Harmon Killebrew		73
    Ralph Kiner
    Chuck Klein
    Sandy Koufax			48
    Nap Lajoie			29
    Tony Lazzeri
    Bob Lemon
    Buck Leonard
    Freddie Lindstrom
    Pop Lloyd			37
    Ernie Lombard
    Ted Lyons
    Biz Mackey
    Mickey Mantle			11
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Juan Marichal
    Rube Marquard
    Eddie Mathews			39
    Christy Mathewson		26
    Willie Mays			2
    Bill Mazeroski
    Tommy McCarthy
    Willie McCovey
    Joe McGinnity
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Medwick
    Jose Mendez
    Johnny Mize			50
    Paul Molitor
    Joe Morgan			30
    Eddie Murray			71
    Stan Musial			10
    Hal Newhouser
    Kid Nichols			38
    Phil Niekro
    Jim O’Rourke
    Mel Ott				32
    Satchel Paige			17
    Jim Palmer
    Herb Pennock
    Tony Perez
    Gaylord Perry
    Eddie Plank
    Kirby Puckett
    Charles Radbourn
    Pee Wee Reese
    Jim Rice
    Sam Rice
    Cal Ripken			35
    Eppa Rixey
    Phil Rizzuto
    Robin Roberts
    Brooks Robinson
    Frank Robinson			19
    Jackie Robinson			13
    Bullet Rogan			72
    Edd Roush
    Red Ruffing
    Amos Rusie
    Babe Ruth			1
    Nolan Ryan			59
    Ryne Sandberg
    Louis Santop
    Ray Schalk
    Mike Schmidt			22
    Red Schoendienst
    Tom Seaver			24
    Joe Sewell
    Al Simmons
    George Sisler
    Enos Slaughter
    Hilton Smith
    Ozzie Smith
    Duke Snider			67
    Warren Spahn			33
    Tris Speaker			14
    Willie Stargell
    Turkey Stearnes			52
    Bruce Sutter
    Mule Suttles
    Don Sutton
    Ben Taylor
    Bill Terry
    Sam Thompson
    Joe Tinker
    Cristobal Torriente
    Pie Traynor
    Dazzy Vance
    Arky Vaughan			57
    Rube Waddell
    Honus Wagner			6
    Bobby Wallace
    Ed Walsh
    Lloyd Waner
    Paul Waner
    John Ward			70
    Mickey Welch
    Willie Wells
    Zack Wheat
    Hoyt Wilhelm
    Billy Williams
    Joe Williams			43
    Ted Williams			4
    Vic Willis
    Hack Wilson
    Jud Wilson
    Dave Winfield
    Early Wynn
    Carl Yastrzemski		44
    Cy Young			9
    Ross Youngs
    Robin Yount			60
    Ranking by Primary Position
    Catcher (6): Josh Gibson (15), Johnny Bench (31), Yogi Berra (34), Mickey Cochrane (55), Roy Campanella (64), Buck Ewing (74)

    First Base (9): Lou Gehrig (8), Cap Anson (25), Jimmie Foxx (28), Hank Greenberg (45), Dan Brouthers (46), Johnny Mize (50), Roger Connor (58), Eddie Murray (71), Harmon Killebrew (73)

    Second Base (7): Rogers Hornsby (12), Jackie Robinson (13), Eddie Collins (16), Nap Lajoie (29), Joe Morgan (30), Charlie Gehringer (54), Rod Carew (61)

    Shortstop (8): Honus Wagner (6), Cal Ripken (35), Pop Lloyd (37), Arky Vaughan (57), Robin Yount (60), Ernie Banks (65), George Davis (68), John Ward (70)

    Third Base (4): Mike Schmidt (22), George Brett (36), Eddie Mathews (39), Wade Boggs (53)

    Left Field (5): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Rickey Henderson (27), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Ed Delahanty (49)

    Center Field (9): Willie Mays (2), Ty Cobb (3), Mickey Mantle (11), Tris Speaker (14), Joe DiMaggio (20), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Duke Snider (67), Billy Hamilton (75)

    Right Field (10): Babe Ruth (1), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Mel Ott (32), Roberto Clemente (41), Al Kaline (51), Reggie Jackson (56), Tony Gwynn (62), Sam Crawford (66), King Kelly (69)

    Pitcher (17): Walter Johnson (7), Cy Young (9), Satchel Paige (17), Grover Alexander (18), Lefty Grove (23), Tom Seaver (24), Christy Mathewson (26), Warren Spahn (33), Kid Nichols (38), Bob Feller (40), Bob Gibson (42), Joe Williams (43), Steve Carlton (47), Sandy Koufax (48), Nolan Ryan (59), Carl Hubbell (63), Bullet Rogan (72)

    Ranking by Primary Decade
    1880s (6): Cap Anson (25), Dan Brouthers (46), Roger Connor (58), King Kelly (69), John Ward (70), Buck Ewing (74)

    1890s (5): Cy Young (9), Kid Nichols (38), Ed Delahanty (49), George Davis (68), Billy Hamilton (75)

    1900 (4): Honus Wagner (6), Christy Mathewson (26), Nap Lajoie (29), Sam Crawford (66)

    1910s (7): Ty Cobb (3), Walter Johnson (7), Tris Speaker (14), Eddie Collins (16), Grover Alexander (18), Pop Lloyd (37), Joe Williams (43)

    1920s (5): Babe Ruth (1), Rogers Hornsby (12), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Bullet Rogan (72)

    1930s (11): Lou Gehrig (8), Josh Gibson (15), Satchel Paige (17), Lefty Grove (23), Jimmie Foxx (28), Mel Ott (32), Hank Greenberg (45), Charlie Gehringer (54), Mickey Cochrane (55), Arky Vaughan (57), Carl Hubbell (63)

    1940s (5): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Joe DiMaggio (20), Bob Feller (40), Johnny Mize (50)

    1950s (7): Mickey Mantle (11), Jackie Robinson (13), Warren Spahn (33), Yogi Berra (34), Eddie Mathews (39), Roy Campanella (64), Duke Snider (67)

    1960s (9): Willie Mays (2), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Roberto Clemente (41), Bob Gibson (42), Sandy Koufax (48), Al Kaline (51), Ernie Banks (65), Harmon Killebrew (73)

    1970s (8): Tom Seaver (24), Joe Morgan (30), Johnny Bench (31), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Steve Carlton (47), Reggie Jackson (56), Nolan Ryan (59), Rod Carew (61)

    1980s (7): Mike Schmidt (22), Rickey Henderson (27), Cal Ripken (35), George Brett (36), Wade Boggs (53), Robin Yount (60), Eddie Murray (71)

    1990s (1): Tony Gwynn (62)

    Links to Previous Elections
    Election 1-5
    Election 6-10
    Election 11-15
    Election 16-20
    Election 21- 25
    Election 26-30
    Election 31-35
    Election 36-40 (41)
    Election 42-45
    Election 46-50
    Election 51-55
    Election 56-60
    Election 61-65
    Election 65-70
    Election 71-75
    Last edited by DoubleX; 11-25-2011, 07:51 AM.

  • #2
    1) Juan Marichal
    2) Robin Roberts
    3) John Clarkson
    4) Tim Keefe
    5) Frankie Frisch
    6) Mordecai Brown
    7) Carlton Fisk
    8) Willie McCovey
    9) Gaylord Perry
    10) Al Simmons


    • #3
      1. Buck Leonard - 10
      2. Bill Dickey - 9
      3. Juan Marichal - 8
      4. Paul Waner - 7
      5. John Clarkson - 6
      6. Willie McCovey - 5
      7. Tim Keefe - 4
      8. Al Simmons - 3
      9. Gaylord Perry - 2
      10. Martin Dihigo - 1

      coming attractions: Ford, Baker, Fisk, Frisch, Stargell, Ozzie Smith, Winfield


      • #4
        1) John Clarkson (10)
        2) Jesse Burkett (9)
        3) Paul Waner (8)
        4) Gaylord Perry (7)
        5) Al Simmons (6)
        6) Dennis Eckersley (5)
        7) Willie McCovey (4)
        8) Juan Marichal (3)
        9) Lou Brock (2)
        10) Pud Galvin (1)


        • #5
          1. Gary Carter
          2. John Clarkson
          3. Carlton Fisk
          4. Gaylord Perry
          5. Robin Roberts
          6. Brooks Robinson
          7. Willie McCovey
          8. Paul Waner
          9. Whitey Ford
          10. Frankie Frisch


          • #6
            1) Joe Cronin - I had forgotten all about Cronin until seeing him down ballot in the last results. I think he is not that far off as a player and he has alot else going for him. Player-manager of the last Senators pennant winner, player manager and later GM of the Red Sox (although his role with them is not particularly distinguished) and long time AL President.
            2) Robin Roberts - great pitcher and early leder of the players union
            3) Martin DiHigo - terrific hitter and pitcher in Negro and Cuban leagues
            4) Carlton Fisk
            5) Frankie Frisch
            6) Dennis Eckerley
            7) Whitey Ford
            8) Willie Stargell
            9) Gary Carter
            10) Charles "Old Hoss" Radbourne


            • #7
              Originally posted by leecemark View Post
              1) Joe Cronin - I had forgotten all about Cronin until seeing him down ballot in the last results. I think he is not that far off as a player and he has alot else going for him. Player-manager of the last Senators pennant winner, player manager and later GM of the Red Sox (although his role with them is not particularly distinguished) and long time AL President.
              I've been wondering what to do with Cronin, especially because I feel like if I'm voting for Frankie Frisch, I should be voting for Cronin as well. May have to consider amending my ballot.

              Here's another player on my radar that's received very little support - Jim Palmer. Unquestionable a big star in his day and regarded as the best pitcher in the AL for a decade. Modern stats bring him down quite a bit by showing how much defensive support he got (though I think it can discredit Palmer too much at times), but the fact remains that he did win 3 Cy Youngs, finished twice in two other years, and in the top 5 a total of 8 times.

              Also - I like that jjpm has been voting for Brooks Robinson - he's probably someone who isn't too far off with the combination of play and subjective factors.
              Last edited by DoubleX; 11-23-2011, 07:06 AM.


              • #8
                We are still in land of giants. There's ten guys on every list and every time I see one of your lists there's a name where I go "geez how could I not have him." Fred Clarke was brought up last time. Jimmy Collins was probably considered the greatest third baseman ever when he retired and, unlike Traynor, advanced stats and the passage of time have not bumped him from most top tens. Willie Keeler. Amos Rusie. Ed Walsh. Lots of guys beyond those


                • #9
                  1. Dennis Eckersley
                  2. Joe Medwick
                  3. Al Simmons
                  4. Martin Dihigo
                  5. Paul Waner
                  6. Harry Heilmann
                  7. Paul Molitor
                  8. Eddie Plank
                  9. Gaylord Perry
                  10. Jim Palmer


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DoubleX View Post
                    I've been wondering what to do with Cronin, especially because I feel like if I'm voting for Frankie Frisch, I should be voting for Cronin as well.
                    Frisch is a more worthy player. After all, Frisch played with Frisch...


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                      Frisch is a more worthy player. After all, Frisch played with Frisch...
                      Good point, and I wonder if that might be a legitimate reason to knock Frisch down a bit? He's responsible for some of the very most egregious selections in the Hall, and while that has little to do with his playing career (other than the fact he was apt to elect former teammates), it does wipe some of the luster off his place, and perhaps off the Hall generally.


                      • #12
                        1. Phil Niekro
                        2. Gaylord Perry
                        3. Bert Blyleven
                        4. John Clarkson
                        5. Robin Roberts
                        6. Fergie Jenkins
                        7. Frankie Frisch
                        8. Jud Wilson
                        9. Monte Irvin
                        10. Mule Suttles
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


                        • #13
                          01. Phil Niekro
                          02. Juan Marichal
                          03. Buck Leonard
                          04. Mordecai Brown
                          05. Fergie Jenkins
                          06. Gaylord Perry
                          07. Joe Cronin
                          08. Robin Roberts
                          09. Jim Palmer
                          10. Paul Waner


                          • #14
                            1 Carlton Fisk
                            2 Martin Dihigo
                            3 Gary Carter
                            4 Bert Blyleven
                            5 Robin Roberts
                            6 Luke Appling
                            7 Paul Waner
                            8 Gaylord Perry
                            9 Phil Niekro
                            10 John Clarkson
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                            • #15
                              1. Carlton Fisk (10)
                              2. Al Simmons (9)
                              3. Gary Carter (8)
                              4. Fred Clarke (7)
                              5. Eddie Plank (6)
                              6. Mordecai Brown (5)
                              7. Joe Cronin (4)
                              8. Martin Dihigo (3)
                              9. Jim Palmer (2)
                              10. Frank Baker (1)
                              Willie McCovey
                              Ed Walsh
                              Willie Wells
                              Mule Suttles
                              Tim Keefe
                              John Clarkson
                              Bert Blyleven
                              Jesse Burkett
                              Fergie Jenkins
                              Cristobal Torriente


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