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  • BBF Mets franchise HOF round four

    This election will close on February 18, 2012, at 7:00 a.m EST.

    This is the third round for this franchise. The previous round is here


    We inducted the following players:
    Edgardo Alfonso
    David Cone
    Ron Darling
    Sid Fernandez
    Dwight Gooden
    Keith Hernandez
    Howard Johnson
    Cleon Jones
    Jerry Koosman
    Al Leiter
    Jon Matlack
    Mike Piazza
    Tom Seaver
    Darryl Strawberry


    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes is required to elect anyone.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1962 (NL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 2 (1969, 1986)
    - Pennants: 4 (1969, 1973, 1986, 2000)
    - Division Titles: 5 (1969, 1973, 1986, 1988, 2006)
    - Wild Card Berths: 2 (1999, 2000)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (0):

    - Cy Young Recipients (4): Dwight Gooden (1985), Tom Seaver (1975), Tom Seaver (1973), Tom Seaver (1969)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Dwight Gooden (1984), Darryl Strawberry (1983), Jon Matlack (1972), Tom Seaver (1967)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (1): Dwight Gooden (1985)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Tom Seaver		9
    t2	Mike Piazza		7
    t2	Darryl Strawberry	7
    4	David Wright*		5
    t5	Carlos Beltran*		4
    t5	Gary Carter		4
    t5	Dwight Gooden		4
    t5	John Stearns		4
    t9	Keith Hernandez		3
    t9	Jon Matlack		3
    t9	Jose Reyes*		3
    t12	Richie Ashburn		2
    t12	Bobby Bonilla		2
    t12	David Cone		2
    t12	Sid Fernandez		2
    t12	Tom Glavine		2
    t12	Jerry Grote		2
    t12	Bud Harrelson		2
    t12	Todd Hundley		2
    t12	Ron Hunt		2
    t12	Howard Johnson		2
    t12	Jerry Koosman		2
    t12	Pedro Martinez		2
    t12	Willie Mays		2
    t12	Jesse Orosco		2
    t12	Rick Reed		2
    t12	Frank Viola		2
    t12	Billy Wagner		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Yogi Berra		588		.497
    Dallas Green		512		.447			1		1
    Gil Hodges		649		.523	1		1		1
    Art Howe		323		.424
    Davey Johnson		1012		.588	1		1		2
    Jerry Manuel		417		.489
    Willie Randolph		555		.544			1
    Casey Stengel		582		.302
    Joe Torre		709		.405
    Bobby Valentine		1003		.534			1				2
    Wes Westrum		380		.375
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    My ballot:

    John Stearns
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Gary Carter
      John Franco
      Bud Harrelson
      Kevin McReynolds
      Jesse Orosco
      John Stearns
      Mookie Wilson
      "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Dizzy Dean

      Comment


      • #4
        My first thought is that an expansion team with a 50 year history doesn't merit 4 rounds of HOF voting. I'll take a look at the eligibles and decide whether I'll cast a vote.

        Comment


        • #5
          Players
          Lenny Dykstra
          John Franco
          Wayne Garrett
          Tom Glavine
          Jerry Grote
          Bud Harrelson
          Dave Magadan
          Lee Mazzilli
          Tug McGraw
          Kevin McReynolds
          John Olerud
          Jesse Orosco
          Rick Reed
          John Stearns
          Mookie Wilson
          *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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          • #6
            Once again on John Franco:

            I'd like to remind everyone voting for this franchise that John Franco was elected to the NY Mets Hall of Fame this year:

            Read here for more.

            Another article that shows just how important Franco is to his fans.

            This guy was the heart and soul of the Mets for 14 years. For a project like this, it is important to not just crunch numbers and think about the role a given player had for a given franchise and the impact he had as a leader and to fans of the team who were the ones who watched and cheered for him every day.

            For the stat minded, John Franco is one of the all time saves leaders and put up an impressive career as a closer.

            The fact that he is not getting better support at this time is one of the shortfalls of having a team based HOF project outside of the team's forum.

            Comment


            • #7
              Players:

              Tommy Agee
              Wally Backman
              Hubie Brooks
              Gary Carter
              George Foster
              John Franco
              Jerry Grote
              Bud Harrelson
              Ed Kranepool
              Lee Mazzili
              Tug McGraw
              Kevin McReynolds
              Rusty Staub
              Mookie Wilson

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                My first thought is that an expansion team with a 50 year history doesn't merit 4 rounds of HOF voting. I'll take a look at the eligibles and decide whether I'll cast a vote.
                You can post a blank ballot to express that opinion if you wish. Just make it clear that it is an intentionally blank ballot. I think such a stance is quite defensible at this point, and as you can see from my ballot, I'm very close to taking that stance myself, as I named only Stearns.
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Tommie Agee
                  Armando Benitez
                  Bobby Bonilla
                  Gary Carter
                  John Franco
                  Tom Glavine
                  Jerry Grote
                  Bud Harrelson
                  Todd Hundley
                  Ron Hunt
                  John Olerud
                  Jesse Orosco
                  John Stearns
                  Frank Viola
                  Mookie Wilson

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Mookie Wilson

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      We have six voters so far, enough to elect someone if there was total agreement on a candidate (there isn't). If they get two more votes, there's some chance they could go on--but looking at the current tallies, I suspect this is the last round for this franchise.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Carter
                        Grote
                        Harrelson
                        McGraw
                        Orosco
                        Staub
                        Mookie Wilson

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Gary Carter
                          John Franco
                          Bud Harrelson
                          Ed Kranepool
                          Tug McGraw
                          Rusty Staub
                          John Stearnes
                          Mookie Wilson

                          I can see BigRon's point, but I believe we've have overlooked some pretty important players to the Mets' history.
                          The Writer's Journey

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                          • #14
                            Gary Carter
                            John Franco
                            Ed Kranepool

                            I posted this last time, but unfortunatley at the end of the election, and seem to have picked up on this one late, too, so may be making the same mistake, but here is my plea for Kranepool - I'm surprised he is getting so little support. He was certainly not a superstar, but he was on the Mets every year in the 60's and 70's. I would never vote a player into Cooperstown based solely on longevity, but it is something special for a player to be on one team so long. And with his 97 career OPS+, he wasn't as bad as he is sometimes remembered (granted, you want more from your IB/OF, but this isn't just about stats). Due to my age i didn't really start following baseball until the late 70's, but I can't think of the first two decades of the Mets without including Kranepool. Through 5the Mets 50 years of existence, he is still their all time leader in hits, games played and at-bats, second in total bases and doubles, and top 10 in runs, triples, RBIs and homeruns. While that might be more indicitive of the anemic Mets offense over the years, someone that high up on all their leaderboards deserves to be in the team hall of fame.

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                            • #15
                              FWIW, I think that all three of the people you are voting for have the strongest cases for inclusion who have not yet been elected. I'm surprised by the lack of support for Kranepool.

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