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  • BBF Tigers HOF--round four

    Already elected to the Tigers HOF are:

    Players
    Tommy Bridges
    Jim Bunning
    Norm Cash
    Ty Cobb
    Sam Crawford
    Bill Freehan
    Charlie Gehringer
    Hank Greenberg
    Al Kaline
    Harry Heilmann
    Mickey Lolich
    Jack Morris
    Hal Newhouser
    Lance Parrish
    Alan Trammel
    Dizzy Trout
    Bobby Veach
    Lou Whitaker
    Rudy York

    Contributors Election concluded
    Sparky Anderson
    Jim Campbell
    Mickey Cochrane
    Ernie Harwell
    Hughie Jennings
    George Kell

    The prior thread for the Tigers is here

    This election will close on March 10, 2012 at 7 a.m. EST

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, no one may be elected without receving at least six votes.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters, but not fictional characters such as mascots. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 4 (1935, 1945, 1968, 1984)
    - Pennants: 10 (1907, 1908, 1909, 1934, 1935, 1940, 1945, 1968, 1984, 2006)
    - Division Titles: 3 (1972, 1984, 1987)
    - Wild Card Berths: 1 (2006)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (9): Willie Hernandez (1984), Denny McLain (1968), Hal Newhouser (1945), Hal Newhouser (1944), Hank Greenberg (1940), Charlie Gehringer (1937), Hank Greenberg (1935), Mickey Cochrane (1934), Ty Cobb (1911)

    - Cy Young Recipients (3): Willie Hernandez (1984), Denny McLain (1969), Denny McLain (1968)

    - RoY Recipients (7): Justin Verlander (2006), Lou Whitaker (1978), Mark Fidrych (1976), Harvey Kuenn (1953)

    - Batting Triple Crown (1): Ty Cobb (1909)

    - Pitching Triple Crown (1): Hal Newhouser (1945)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Al Kaline		18
    2	Bill Freehan		11
    3	Harvey Kuenn		8
    t4	Jim Bunning		7
    t4	Hal Newhouser		7
    t6	Tommy Bridges		6
    t6	Charlie Gehringer	6
    t6	Lance Parrish		6
    t6	Alan Trammell		6
    t10	Norm Cash		5
    t10	Hank Greenberg		5
    t10	George Kell		5
    t10	Lou Whitaker		5
    t10	Rudy York		5
    t15	Rocky Colavito		4
    t15	Travis Fryman		4
    t15	Willie Horton		4
    t15	Jack Morris		4
    t15	Ivan Rodriguez*		4
    t20	Cecil Fielder		3
    t20	Carlos Guillen*		3
    t20	Willie Hernandez	3
    t20	Frank Lary		3
    t20	Mickey Lolich		3
    t20	Dick McAuliffe		3
    t20	Denny McLain		3
    t20	Justin Verlander*	3
    t20	Vic Wertz		3
    t29	Hank Aguirre		2
    t29	Al Benton		2
    t29	Ray Boone		2
    t29	Mickey Cochrane		2
    t29	Hoot Evers		2
    t29	Mark Fidrych		2
    t29	Charlie Maxwell		2
    t29	Paul Mullin		2
    t29	Bobo Newsom		2
    t29	Magglio Ordonez*	2
    t29	Schoolboy Rowe		2
    t29	Birdie Tebbetts		2
    t29	Jason Thompson		2
    t29	Dizzy Trout		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Sparky Anderson		2580		.516	1		1		2
    Bill Armour		305		.497
    Del Baker		778		.540
    Buddy Bell		461		.399
    Ty Cobb			933		.519
    Mickey Cochrane		600		.582	1		2
    Chuck Dressen		411		.539
    Phil Garner		330		.439
    Bucky Harris		1078		.481
    Ralph Houk		806		.450
    Fred Hutchinson		396		.397
    Hughie Jennings		2127		.538			3
    Jim Leyland		811		.523			1				1
    Billy Martin		452		.549					1
    George Moriarty		310		.489
    Steve O’Neill		933		.551	1		1
    Red Rolfe		539		.521
    Bob Scheffing		384		.548
    Mayo Smith		651		.560	1		1
    Alan Trammell		486		.383
    
    * Current manager
    Last edited by jalbright; 02-25-2012, 11:22 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    My ballot

    Donie Bush
    Bill Donovan
    Travis Fryman
    Kirk Gibson
    John Hiller
    Willie Horton
    Frank Lary
    Chet Lemon
    Dick McAuliffe
    Denny McLain
    George Mullin
    Tony Phillips
    Billy Rogell
    Schoolboy Rowe
    Virgil Trucks
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Donie Bush
      Hooks Dauss
      Bill Donovan
      Pete Fox
      Travis Fryman
      Kirk Gibson
      John Hiller
      Harvey Kuenn
      Chet Lemon
      Heinie Manush
      Dick McAuliffe
      George Mullin
      Mickey Tettleton
      Virgil Trucks

      Comment


      • #4
        Players:

        Donnie Bush

        Hooks Dauss

        Bill Donovan

        Travis Fryman

        Kirk Gibson

        John Hiller

        Willie Horton

        Frank Lary

        Chet Lemon

        Dick McAuliffe

        George Mullin

        Tony Phillips

        Billy Rogell

        Virgil Trucks
        Last edited by NJRob65; 02-25-2012, 01:24 PM.

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        • #5
          Donie Bush
          Hooks Dauss
          Bill Donovan
          Cecil Fielder
          Kirk Gibson
          John Hiller
          Willie Horton
          Frank Lary
          Ron LeFlore
          Chet Lemon
          Dick Mcauliffe
          Denny McLain
          George Mullin
          Mickey Tettleton
          Virgil Trucks
          Last edited by Herr28; 02-25-2012, 03:40 PM. Reason: Replaced Kell with LeFlore
          "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Dizzy Dean

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Herr28 View Post
            ...
            George Kell
            ...
            Kell has been inducted as a contributor, and thus is not eligible. You may want to fill the empty slot with another name. I will also notify you by PM.
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

            Comment


            • #7
              Donie Bush
              Rocky Colavito
              Cecil Fielder
              Travis Fryman
              Kirk Gibson
              Willie Hernandez
              John Hiller
              Willie Horton
              Harvey Kuenn
              Frank Lary
              Chet Lemon
              Dick McAuliffe
              Denny McLain
              Schoolboy Rowe
              Virgil Trucks

              Comment


              • #8
                Donie Bush may not need a push from me, but here it is anyway: he was the best shortstop in the AL in WAR in 1909, 1910, 1912 and 1914, and the second best in the league in 1915 and 1917. He was a Tiger in all those seasons. That's six seasons worth of All-Star performance at shortstop as a Tiger. I think that makes him worthy of being included in the Tiger HOF.
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Players
                  Donie Bush
                  Hooks Dauss
                  Bill Donovan
                  Travis Fryman
                  Kirk Gibson
                  John Hiller
                  Willie Horton
                  Fred Hutchinson
                  Frank Lary
                  Chet Lemon
                  Dick McAuliffe
                  George Mullin
                  Tony Phillips
                  Schoolboy Rowe
                  Virgil Trucks
                  *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    We now have six votes cast in this election, enough to elect someone. If we get two more, this franchise has a shot at a fifth round.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Under a week to go, and still only six votes cast.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Harvey Kuenn

                        Virgil Trucks

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                        • #13
                          Just over a day and a half left in this election as I type this.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            The Tigers only got seven votes, which is enough to induct candidates, but not enough to get them to the fifth round. The official results will follow, and the inductees are above the '============= line. :

                            7 Trucks, Virgil
                            6 Bush, Donie
                            6 Gibson, Kirk
                            6 Hiller, John
                            6 Lemon, Chet
                            6 McAuliffe, Dick
                            = ===========
                            5 Donovan, Bill
                            5 Fryman, Travis
                            5 Horton, Willie
                            5 Lary, Frank
                            5 Mullin, George
                            4 Dauss, Hooks
                            3 Kuenn, Harvey
                            3 McLain,, Denny
                            3 Phillips, Tony
                            3 Rowe, Schoolboy
                            2 Fielder, Cecil
                            2 Rogell, Billy
                            2 Tettleton, Mickey
                            1 Colavito, Rocky
                            1 Fox, Pete
                            1 Hernandez, Willie
                            1 Hutchinson, Fred
                            1 LeFlore, Ron
                            1 Manush, Heinie
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Case for...

                              Rocky Colavito
                              Despite only playing for Detroit for 4 seasons (1960-1963), he was part of 4 ASGs as a Tiger and started 3 of them.
                              He only had 2 ASG hits as a Tiger, but they were both Home Runs, giving him a .615 ASG SLG as a Tiger.

                              1961 was his best season with Detroit (Tiger seasonal rankings).
                              45 HRs (3rd) [Only Cecil Fielder has it as many since.]
                              140 RBIs (5th) [No Tiger has had as many since.]
                              19 WAR Runs Fielding (9th tied w/ 3 others)
                              129 Runs (12th) [No Tiger has had as many since.]
                              113 BBs (13th)
                              338 Total Bases (16th)
                              7.9 WAR (18th)

                              From 1960-1963, Colavito :
                              1st in RBIs in the AL :
                              Code:
                                                                  
                              Rk              Player RBI From   To
                              1       Rocky Colavito 430 1960 1963
                              2     Harmon Killebrew 424 1960 1963
                              3          Roger Maris 406 1960 1963
                              4          Jim Gentile 398 1960 1963
                              5          Bob Allison 367 1960 1963
                              1st in Total Bases in the AL :
                              Code:
                                                                    
                              Rk             Player   TB   G From   To
                              1      Rocky Colavito 1171 629 1960 1963
                              2    Harmon Killebrew 1151 571 1960 1963
                              3         Roger Maris 1111 544 1960 1963
                              4           Al Kaline 1056 545 1960 1963
                              5     Brooks Robinson 1050 638 1960 1963
                              2nd in Runs in the AL :
                              Code:
                                                                   
                              Rk               Player   R From   To
                              1         Mickey Mantle 386 1960 1963
                              2        Rocky Colavito 377 1960 1963
                              3           Roger Maris 375 1960 1963
                              4           Bob Allison 363 1960 1963
                              5             Al Kaline 360 1960 1963
                              3rd in HRs in the AL :
                              Code:
                                                                  
                              Rk              Player  HR From   To
                              1     Harmon Killebrew 170 1960 1963
                              2          Roger Maris 156 1960 1963
                              3       Rocky Colavito 139 1960 1963
                              4        Mickey Mantle 139 1960 1963
                              5            Norm Cash 124 1960 1963
                              5th in WAR in the AL :
                              Code:
                                                                         
                              Rk             Player WAR/pos   G From   To
                              1       Mickey Mantle    29.0 494 1960 1963
                              2         Roger Maris    22.6 544 1960 1963
                              3           Norm Cash    20.9 575 1960 1963
                              4           Al Kaline    20.5 545 1960 1963
                              5      Rocky Colavito    17.5 629 1960 1963
                              5th in WAR Runs Fielding in the AL :
                              Code:
                                                                        
                              Rk             Player Rfield   G From   To
                              1         Clete Boyer     89 582 1960 1963
                              2     Brooks Robinson     63 638 1960 1963
                              3       Luis Aparicio     54 608 1960 1963
                              4          Ron Hansen     48 523 1960 1963
                              5      Rocky Colavito     47 629 1960 1963
                              Last edited by dgarza; 04-03-2012, 03:37 PM.

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