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  • White Sox BBF franchise HOF, Round four

    This election will close on March 17, 2012, at 7:00 a.m EDT.

    This is the second round for this franchise. The third round is here.

    We inducted the following players:
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling
    Harold Baines
    Eddie Collins
    George Davis
    Red Faber
    Carlton Fisk
    Nellie Fox
    Tommy John
    Fielder Jones
    Willie Kamm
    Chet Lemon
    Sherm Lollar
    Ted Lyons
    Minnie Minoso
    Billy Pierce
    Ray Schalk
    Frank Thomas
    Robin Ventura
    Ed Walsh
    Doc White
    Wilbur Wood

    Now the contributors: voting closed
    Charles Comiskey
    Al Lopez
    Bill Veeck

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes is required to elect a candidate.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.
    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names:

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 3 (1906, 1917, 2005)
    - Pennants: 6 (1901, 1906, 1917, 1919, 1959, 2005)
    - Division Titles: 6 ((1983, 1993, 1994, 2000, 2005, 2008)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (4): Frank Thomas (1994), Frank Thomas (1993), Dick Allen (1972), Nellie Fox (1959)

    - Cy Young Recipients (3): Jack McDowell (1993) LaMarr Hoyt (1983), Early Wynn (1959)

    - RoY Recipients (4): Ozzie Guillen (1985), Ron Kittle (1983), Tommie Agee (1966), Gary Peters (1963), Don Schwall (1961), Luis Aparicio (1956)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (0):

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Nellie Fox		15
    2	Luis Aparicio		9
    3	Sherm Lollar		8
    t4	Luke Appling		7
    t4	Minnie Minoso		7
    t4	Billy Pierce		7
    t7	Frank Thomas		5
    t7	Early Wynn		5
    t9	Harold Baines		4
    t9	Mark Buehrle*		4
    t9	Chico Carrasquel	4
    t9	Carlton Fisk		4
    t9	Paul Konerko*		4
    t9	Magglio Ordonez*	4
    t15	Dick Allen		3
    t15	Ozzie Guillen		3
    t15	Jack McDowell		3
    t15	Al Simmons		3
    t15	Wilbur Wood		3
    t20	Tommie Agee		2
    t20	Ray Durham		2
    t20	Jimmy Dykes		2
    t20	Ferris Fain		2
    t20	Goose Gossage		2
    t20	Bobby Jenks*		2
    t20	Jim Landis		2
    t20	Thornton Lee		2
    t20	Chet Lemon		2
    t20	Esteban Loaiza		2
    t20	Carlos May		2
    t20	Gary Peters		2
    t20	Juan Pizarro		2
    t20	Eddie Robinson		2
    t20	Al Smith		2
    t20	Eddie Smith		2
    t20	Gerry Staley		2
    	
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Terry Bevington		437		.509
    Donie Bush		310		.384
    Nixey Callahan		648		.484
    Eddie Collins		336		.521
    Hugh Duffy		310		.477
    Jimmy Dykes		1850		.489
    Lew Fonseca		318		.380
    Jim Fregosi		419		.461
    Kid Gleason		759		.519	1		2
    Ozzie Guillen*		1135		.529	1		1		2
    Fielder Jones		739		.592	1		1
    Gene Lamont		468		.551					1
    Tony LaRussa^		1035		.506					1
    Al Lopez		1495		.564			1
    Ted Lyons		434		.430
    Jerry Manuel		515		.515					1
    Marty Marion		318		.565
    Paul Richards		774		.529
    Pants Rowland		591		.578
    Eddie Stanky		404		.511
    Chuck Tanner		818		.492
    Jeff Torborg		485		.515
    				
    * Current manager	
    ^ Currently managing another franchise
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    My ballot
    Alex Fernandez
    Joe Horlen
    Jim Landis
    Thornton Lee
    Jack McDowell
    Johnny Mostil
    Johnny Rigney
    Floyd Robinson
    Jim Scott
    Tommy Thomas
    Pete Ward
    Last edited by jalbright; 03-03-2012, 05:49 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Dick Allen
      Jermaine Dye
      Jim Landis
      Jack McDowell
      Tim Raines
      Bob Shaw
      Al Smith

      Contributors
      Jimmie Dykes
      Ozzie Guillen
      They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.

      Comment


      • #4
        Players:

        Eddie Cicotte

        Shoeless Joe Jackson

        Jim Landis

        Thorton Lee

        Johnny Mostil

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by jalbright View Post
          My ballot
          Alex Fernandez
          Joe Horlen
          Tommy John
          Willie Kamm
          Jim Landis
          Thornton Lee
          Chet Lemon
          Jack McDowell
          Johnny Mostil
          Johnny Rigney
          Floyd Robinson
          Jim Scott
          Tommy Thomas
          Pete Ward
          Willie Kamm and Chet Lemon are already in.

          Comment


          • #6
            Players
            Eddie Cicotte
            Happy Felsch
            Alex Fernandez
            Joe Horlen
            Shoeless Joe Jackson
            Lance Johnson
            Jim Landis
            Thornton Lee
            Jack McDowell
            Johnny Mostil
            Gary Peters
            Floyd Robinson
            Jim Scott
            Frank Smith
            Pete Ward
            *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

            Comment


            • #7
              Originally posted by NJRob65 View Post
              Willie Kamm and Chet Lemon are already in.
              And Tommy John.
              *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

              Comment


              • #8
                Alex Fernandez
                Joe Horlen
                Jim Landis
                Thornton Lee
                Jack McDowell
                Johnny Mostil
                Johnny Rigney
                Jim Scott
                Tommy Thomas
                Pete Ward

                Comment


                • #9
                  Dick Allen
                  Chico Carrasquel
                  Bibb Falk
                  Joe Horlen
                  Frank Isbell
                  Bill Melton
                  Johnny Mostil
                  Gary Peters
                  Rip Radcliff
                  Pete Ward
                  Taffy Wright

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Eddie Cicotte
                    Ray Durham
                    Bibb Falk
                    Ozzie Guillen
                    LaMarr Hoyt
                    Joe Jackson
                    Jack McDowell
                    Tim Raines
                    Bobby Thigpen
                    Hoyt Wilhelm
                    Lefty Williams
                    "It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Dizzy Dean

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NJRob65 View Post
                      Willie Kamm and Chet Lemon are already in.
                      Originally posted by DJC View Post
                      And Tommy John.
                      Those three have been removed from my ballot, with no new additions
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Tommie Agee
                        Dick Allen
                        Chico Carrasque
                        Eddie Cicotte
                        Ray Durham
                        Ozzie Guillen
                        Joe Horlen
                        Joe Jackson
                        Jim Kaat
                        Jim Landis
                        Thornton Lee
                        Jack McDowell
                        Gary Peters
                        Al Simmons
                        Early Wynn

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Last day for this election.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Eight votes cast, which means six is 75%. The official results, with those above the '====== line elected, the rest not:

                            6 Landis, Jim
                            6 McDowell, Jack
                            = ================
                            5 Horlen, Joe
                            5 Lee, Thornton
                            5 Mostil, Johnny
                            4 Ciccote, Eddie
                            4 Jackson, Joe
                            4 Ward, Pete
                            3 Allen, Dick
                            3 Fernandez, Alex
                            3 Peters, Gary
                            3 Scott, Jim
                            2 Carrasquel, Chico
                            2 Durham, Ray
                            2 Falk, Bibb
                            2 Guillen, Ozzie
                            2 Raines, Tim
                            2 Rigney, Johnny
                            2 Robinson, Floyd
                            2 Thomas, Tommy
                            1 Agee, Tommie
                            1 Dye, Jermaine
                            1 Felsch, Happy
                            1 Hoyt, LaMarr
                            1 Isbell, Frank
                            1 Johnson, Lance
                            1 Kaat, Jim
                            1 Melton, Bill
                            1 Radcliff, Rip
                            1 Shaw, Bob
                            1 Simmons, Al
                            1 Smith, Al
                            1 Smith, Frank
                            1 Thigpen, Bobby
                            1 Wilhelm, Hoyt
                            1 Williams, Lefty
                            1 Wright, Taffy
                            1 Wynn, Early

                            This will be the last election before the second chance round for the White Sox.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment

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