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  • Reds BBF HOF project, round four

    This election will close on March 24, 2012, at 7:00 a.m EDT.

    This is the fourth round for this franchise. The third round is here


    We inducted the following players:
    Johnny Bench
    Ewell Blackwell
    Dave Concepcion
    Eric Davis
    Paul Derringer
    George Foster
    Heinie Groh
    Noodles Hahn
    Ted Kluszewski
    Barry Larkin
    Ernie Lombardi
    Bid McPhee
    Joe Morgan
    Tony Mullane
    Tony Perez
    Vada Pinson
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Frank Robinson
    Pete Rose
    Edd Roush
    Mario Soto
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Bucky Walters

    And the following contributors: (voting concluded)
    Sparky Anderson
    Bill McKechnie
    Joe Nuxhall

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes is required to elect a candidate.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Mascots are eligible. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.



    CINCINNATI REDS

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1882 (AA from 1882-1889, NL since)
    - Former Locations/Names: Cincinnati Red Stockings (1882-1889); Cincinnati Redlegs (1954-1959)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 5 (1919, 1940, 1975, 1976, 1990)
    - Pennants: 10 (1882, 1919, 1939, 1940, 1961, 1970, 1972, 1975, 1976, 1990)
    - Division Titles: 9 (1970, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1979, 1990, 1995, 2010)
    - Wild Card Berths: 0

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Players
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (12): Joey Votto (2010), Barry Larkin (1995), George Foster (1977), Joe Morgan (1976), Joe Morgan (1975), Pete Rose (1973), Johnny Bench (1972), Johnny Bench (1970), Frank Robinson (1961), Frank McCormick (1940), Bucky Walters (1939), Ernie Lombardi (1938)

    - Cy Young Recipients (0):

    - RoY Recipients (7): Scott Williamson (1999), Chris Sabo (1988), Pat Zachry (1976), Johnny Bench (1968), Tommy Helms (1966), Pete Rose (1963), Frank Robinson (1956)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (1): Bucky Walters (1939)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Johnny Bench		14
    2	Pete Rose		13
    3	Barry Larkin		12
    4	Dave Concepcion		9
    t5	Frank McCormick		8
    t5	Joe Morgan		8
    t5	Frank Robinson		8
    8	Tony Perez		7
    t9	Ewell Blackwell		6
    t9	Paul Derringer		6
    t11	George Foster		5
    t11	Ernie Lombardi		5
    t11	Bob Purkey		5
    t11	Bucky Walters		5
    t15	Ed Bailey		4
    t15	Gus Bell		4
    t15	Leo Cardenas		4
    t15	Ted Kluszewski		4
    t15	Eddie Miller		4
    t15	Vada Pinson		4
    t15	Johnny Temple		4
    t15	Johnny Vander Meer	4
    t23	Sean Casey		3
    t23	Johnny Edwards		3
    t23	John Franco		3
    t23	Lonny Frey		3
    t23	Ken Griffey Sr		3
    t23	Ken Griffey Jr		3
    t23	Chris Sabo		3
    t23	Tom Seaver		3
    t23	Mario Soto		3
    t32	Clay Carroll		2
    t32	Eric Davis		2
    t32	Rob Dibble		2
    t32	Ival Goodman		2
    t32	Danny Graves		2
    t32	Tommy Helms		2
    t32	Bill Henry		2
    t32	Joey Jay		2
    t32	Eddie Kasko		2
    t32	Lee May			2	
    t32	Roy McMillan		2
    t32	Joe Nuxhall		2
    t32	Dave Parker		2
    t32	Johnny Wyrostek		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Player List
    The following is a list of retired players who with this franchise had at least 3,000 plate appearances (or 2,500 if predominantly played during the 19th Century), 1,000 innings pitched, or appeared as pitcher in 200 games. This list is purely meant as a guide for players who contributed to this franchise over some modicum of time, though players with this franchise not appearing on this list may still be considered by voters, as it is entirely possible that a player may have made a significant and lasting contribution to this franchise despite having a relatively short tenure with the franchise.

    Code:
    Players (106)
    Jake Beckley
    Gus Bell
    Johnny Bench
    Rube Benton
    Bob Bescher
    Jack Billingham
    Ewell Blackwell
    Pedro Borbon
    Ted Breitenstein
    Tom Browning
    Leo Cardenas
    Hick Carpenter
    Clay Carrol
    Sean Casey
    Dave Concepcion
    Tommy Corcoran
    Pop Corkhill
    Hughie Ortiz
    Jake Daubert
    Eric Davis
    Paul Derringer
    Rob Dibble
    Pete Donohue
    Dan Driessen
    Pat Duncan
    Frank Dwyer
    Bob Ewing
    George Foster
    John Franco
    Lonny Frey
    Benny Frey
    Cesar Geronimo
    Ival Goodman
    Danny Graves
    Ken Griffey Sr
    Ken Griffey Jr
    Heinie Groh
    Don Gullett
    Noodles Hahn
    Grady Hatton
    Tommy Helms
    Dick Hoblitzell
    Bug Holliday
    Dummy Hoy
    Miller Huggins
    Tom Hume
    Joey Jay
    Si Johnson
    Ted Kluszewski
    Ray Kolp
    Barry Larkin
    Arlie Latham
    Ernie Lombardi
    Red Lucas
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Lee May
    Jackie May
    Frank McCormick
    Roy McMillan
    Bid McPhee
    Dusty Miller
    Mike Mitchell
    Joe Morgan
    Hal Morris
    Tony Mullane
    Gary Nolan
    Fred Norman
    Joe Nuxhall
    Ron Oester
    Jim O’Toole
    Heinie Peitz
    Tony Perez
     Bill Phillips
    Vada Pinson
    Wally Post
    Ted Power
    Bob Purkey
    Ken Raffensberger
    John Reily
    Billy Rhines
    Jose Rijo
    Eppa Rixey
    Frank Robinson
    Pete Rose
    Edd Roush
    Chris Sabo
    Reggie Sanders
    Pete Schneider
    Tom Seaver
    Germany Smith
    Mike Smith
    Mario Soto
    Harry Steinfeldt
    George Suggs
    Scott Sullivan
    Johnny Temple
    Fred Toney
    Johnny Vander Meer
    Farmer Vaughn
    Curt Walker
    Bucky Walters
    David Weathers
    Herm Wehmeier
    Will White
    Ivey Wingo
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Sparky Anderson		1450		.596	2		4		5
    Dusty Baker*		486		.500					1
    Bob Boone		428		.444
    Dave Bristol		565		.529
    Charles Comiskey	420		.495
    Chuck Dressen		498		.431
    Buck Ewing		708		.570
    Clark Griffith		472		.483
    Ned Hanlon		311		.428
    Jack Hendricks		924		.510
    Buck Herzog		401		.422
    Dan Howley		463		.383
    Fred Hutchinson		816		.544			1
    Davey Johnson		377		.543					1
    Joe Kelley		513		.545
    Christy Mathewson	346		.482
    Bill McKechnie		1386		.541	1		2
    Jack McKeon		551		.529
    John McNamara		524		.533					1
    Pat Moran		757		.564	1
    Jerry Narron		337		.467
    Lou Piniella		486		.525	1		1		1
    Pete Rose		786		.525
    Gus Schmelz		414		.581
    Luke Sewell		409		.426
    Pop Snyder		218		.648			1
    Birdie Tebbetts		730		.510
    
    * Current manager
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    My ballot

    Jake Beckley
    Frank Dwyer
    Bob Ewing
    Lonny Frey
    Ival Goodman
    Ken Griffey Sr.
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Frank McCormick
    Gary Nolan
    Jim O'Toole
    Bob Purkey
    Ken Raffensberger
    John Reilly
    Will White
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Players:

      Frank Dwyer

      Lonny Frey

      Dolf Luque

      Jim Maloney

      Frank McCormick

      Gary Nolan

      Will White

      Comment


      • #4
        Gus Bell
        Frank Dwyer
        Lonny Frey
        Dolf Luque
        Frank McCormick
        Will White
        Last edited by jjpm74; 03-10-2012, 06:17 AM.

        Comment


        • #5
          Players
          Jake Beckley
          Frank Dwyer
          Bob Ewing
          Lonny Frey
          Ken Griffey, Sr.
          Red Lucas
          Dolf Luque
          Jim Maloney
          Frank McCormick
          Gary Nolan
          Bob Purkey
          John Reilly
          Reggie Sanders
          Mike Smith
          Will White
          *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

          Comment


          • #6
            Ed Bailey
            Gus Bell
            Leo Cardenas
            Sean Casey
            Lonny Frey
            Ken Griffey Sr
            Dolf Luque
            Jim Maloney
            Frank McCormick
            Roy McMillan
            Gary Nolan
            Bob Purkey
            Chris Sabo
            Tom Seaver
            Johnny Temple

            Comment


            • #7
              Only five votes cast so far, not even enough to elect anyone.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

              Comment


              • #8
                This is the only franchise I feel comfortable voting for at this point. I just don't know enough about other teams' histories to know what players are deserving.

                Players
                Jake Beckley
                Gus Bell
                Paul Derringer
                Cesar Geronimo
                Ken Griffey, Jr.
                Ken Griffey, Sr.
                Jim Maloney
                Frank McCormick
                Roy McMillan
                Jim O'Toole
                Wally Post
                Bob Purkey
                John Reilly
                Chris Sabo
                Johnny Temple
                The Writer's Journey

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by hairmetalfreek View Post
                  This is the only franchise I feel comfortable voting for at this point. I just don't know enough about other teams' histories to know what players are deserving.
                  It will probably only be two or three weeks until we start the second chance round, where there will be some argument presented for every candidate under consideration, followed by a round for the current actives. Both rounds will also allow consideration of retirees who played in 2010 and/or 2011, though those considered in the second chance round will have to be brought to the electorate's attention prior to the opening of voting. I encourage you to rejoin us for those two rounds.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    We're in the last week of this election.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Only about two and a half days left in this election, and the Reds are stuck at the bare minimum to elect anyone, six votes.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        This election is concluded with only six votes cast. It's enough to have elected one candidate, who is the only one above the '========== line. This franchise joins the others waiting for the second chance and current/recent actives rounds.

                        The official results:
                        6 McCormick, Frank
                        = =================
                        5 Frey, Lonny
                        5 Luque, Dolf
                        5 Maloney, Jim
                        4 Dwyer, Frank
                        4 Griffey, Sr., Ken
                        4 Nolan, Gary
                        4 Purkey, Bob
                        4 White, Will
                        3 Beckley, Jake
                        3 Bell, Gus
                        3 Reilly, John
                        2 Ewing, Bob
                        2 McMillan, Roy
                        2 O'Toole, Jim
                        2 Sabo, Chris
                        2 Temple, Johnny
                        1 Bailey, Ed
                        1 Cardenas, Leo
                        1 Casey, Sean
                        1 Goodman, Ival
                        1 Lucas, Red
                        1 Raffensberger, ken
                        1 Sanders, Reggie
                        1 Seaver, Tom
                        1 Smith, Mike
                        1 Derringer, Paul
                        1 Geronimo, Cesar
                        1 Griffey, Ken Jr
                        1 .Post, Wally
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          I'd like to make a push for a few players.

                          Bob Purkey
                          Purkey was a 5x All Star, Starting Pitcher for one of the 1961 AGS

                          In 1962, he was 23-5, with Winning Percentage of .821, which was best in both the NL and the Majors.
                          He tied for 3rd place in the MLB CY voting that year, getting 1 1st place vote.

                          He won 17 games in a season 3x for the Reds. Only 11 others have done so.
                          Code:
                                                                                   
                          Rk                       Yrs From   To                Age
                          1            Frank Dwyer   6 1892 1897 24-29 Ind. Seasons
                          2         Paul Derringer   5 1935 1940 28-33 Ind. Seasons
                          3             Eppa Rixey   5 1921 1928 30-37 Ind. Seasons
                          4           Tony Mullane   5 1886 1892 27-33 Ind. Seasons
                          5          Bucky Walters   4 1939 1944 30-35 Ind. Seasons
                          6           Pete Donohue   4 1922 1926 21-25 Ind. Seasons
                          7           Noodles Hahn   4 1899 1903 20-24 Ind. Seasons
                          8           Billy Rhines   4 1890 1897 21-28 Ind. Seasons
                          9             Will White   4 1882 1885 27-30 Ind. Seasons
                          10            Jim OToole   3 1961 1964 24-27 Ind. Seasons
                          11            Bob Purkey   3 1958 1962 28-32 Ind. Seasons
                          12             Bob Ewing   3 1905 1908 32-35 Ind. Seasons
                          Purkey is 1 of 18 Reds to win 100+ games as a Red. His .575 % is 7th best of the 100 game winners.
                          Code:
                                                                                      
                          Rk               Player W-L%   W   L   G From   To   Age  GS
                          1            Will White .663 136  69 208 1882 1886 27-31 207
                          2           Jim Maloney .623 134  81 289 1960 1970 20-30 258
                          3            Gary Nolan .621 110  67 245 1967 1977 19-29 242
                          4         Bucky Walters .599 160 107 312 1938 1948 29-39 296
                          5          Tom Browning .583 123  88 300 1984 1994 24-34 298
                          6          Noodles Hahn .580 127  92 237 1899 1905 20-26 225
                          7            Bob Purkey .575 103  76 244 1958 1964 28-34 217
                          8           Frank Dwyer .571 133 100 262 1892 1899 24-31 226
                          9          Tony Mullane .568 163 124 316 1886 1893 27-34 285
                          10           Eppa Rixey .547 179 148 440 1921 1933 30-42 357
                          11          Joe Nuxhall .544 130 109 484 1944 1966 15-37 274
                          12         Pete Donohue .536 127 110 316 1921 1930 20-29 253
                          13            Red Lucas .524 109  99 257 1926 1933 24-31 202
                          14           Mario Soto .521 100  92 297 1977 1988 20-31 224
                          15       Paul Derringer .518 161 150 393 1933 1942 26-35 322
                          16            Bob Ewing .512 108 103 252 1902 1909 29-36 228
                          17           Dolf Luque .503 154 152 395 1918 1929 27-38 321
                          18   Johnny Vander Meer .500 116 116 313 1937 1949 22-34 279

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Lonny Frey
                            Frey played 7 seasons for the Reds, but lost 2 years during WWII.

                            Frey is the 3rd best 2B in Reds history in terms of WAR.
                            Code:
                                                                   
                            Rk             Player WAR/pos From   To
                            1          Joe Morgan    61.3 1972 1979
                            2          Bid McPhee    57.9 1882 1899
                            3          Lonny Frey    30.4 1938 1946
                            4      Miller Huggins    16.6 1904 1909
                            5       Johnny Temple    16.4 1952 1964
                            Frey is 2nd in all time Reds WAR Runs Fielding for 2B.
                            Code:
                                                                             
                            Rk             Player Rfield From   To   Age    G
                            1          Bid McPhee    154 1882 1899 22-39 2138
                            2          Lonny Frey     89 1938 1946 27-35  941
                            3        Hughie Critz     73 1924 1930 23-29  802
                            4         Pokey Reese     40 1997 2001 24-28  604
                            5           Sam Bohne     40 1921 1926 24-29  602
                            Frey accumulated a WAR of 6.0 at 2B. He did it two years in a row, 1939 & 1940. Joe Morgan is the only other Red 2B to have 6.0+ WAR in any season.

                            Frey was a 3x AS, starting both 1939 & 1941 Classics.

                            From 1938-1946, Frey had the most HR, BB, & SB of all NL 2B.
                            In 1940, he led the NL in Putouts and Assists at 2B.
                            In 1943, he led the NL in % at 2B.

                            Frey helped drive the Reds to consecutive pennants in 1939 & 1940 by leading all his position player teammates in WAR.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Ouch- Dolf Luque hasn't been elected to the Reds Hall of Fame? This is amazing. Luque is one of a small handful of the best pitchers in Reds history. He pitched well for more than 10 years for the Reds, won more than 150 games with often mediocre teams, won 2 ERA crowns. Unfortunately I haven't been following the Reds election closely- when I opened it up today I first saw the results through 3 rounds, saw Luque hadn't been elected, said huh? Then I looked further, saw that he didn't make it in round 4- a real travesty. I'm feeling bad since I didn't vote in this one. Anyhow, a BIG mistake.

                              Comment

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