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  • jalbright
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    Maloney will be added as well.

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  • dgarza
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    I'll make a case for 1 more Red.

    Jim Maloney

    For the franchise overall :
    1st in Ks, K/9 (500 IP min.)
    2nd in Shutouts
    4th in pWAR
    5th in oWAR for pitchers
    7th in Wins

    From Wikipedia...
    Maloney pitched two games in which he gave up no hits through nine innings in 1965, while going on to win 20 games that year. His first hitless nine-inning performance in 1965 was on June 14 against the New York Mets. This game lasted through 10 scoreless innings, including a combined 18 strikeouts, but Johnny Lewis led off with a home run in the 11th inning. Hence, Maloney lost the game 1-0. At the time, that game was officially recognized as a no-hitter, but the rules were later changed to omit no-hit games that were broken up in extra innings.

    Maloney's first official no-hitter came on August 19, 1965, against the Chicago Cubs, which he won 1-0. This was the first no-hitter in major league history where the pitcher who threw it went more than nine innings. His second one came on April 30, 1969, in which he beat the Houston Astros 10-0 at Crosley Field in Cincinnati.

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  • jalbright
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    Frey, Luque and Purkey are all on the list for the second chance election.

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  • dgarza
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    Originally posted by jalbright View Post
    For the franchise overall, he's second in career IP, 5th in career wins, 5th in pitching WAR, 12th in both K and ERA+, and 5th in career shutouts.
    I was going to give case for Luque, but all of what BigRon says and mostly this quote is alot of why he deserves election.

    Plus, of course, his monster 1923. Arguably the best pitching performance by a Reds starter.
    He is one of the best hitting pitchers for the Reds as well.

    Subjective factors include being the 1st Cuban born pitcher in the majors. It wouldn't be until the 1950s that another really lasting Cuban would really hold up in the majors.
    I believe he was the 1st Cuban born player overall to have a truely great season.

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by BigRon View Post
    Ouch- Dolf Luque hasn't been elected to the Reds Hall of Fame? This is amazing. Luque is one of a small handful of the best pitchers in Reds history. He pitched well for more than 10 years for the Reds, won more than 150 games with often mediocre teams, won 2 ERA crowns. Unfortunately I haven't been following the Reds election closely- when I opened it up today I first saw the results through 3 rounds, saw Luque hadn't been elected, said huh? Then I looked further, saw that he didn't make it in round 4- a real travesty. I'm feeling bad since I didn't vote in this one. Anyhow, a BIG mistake.
    Well, there will be a second chance election to fix that. I voted for him in all four rounds, and I'll vote for him again. Interestingly, though, he seems to have been more consistently good than flashy, and that's probably part of the problem. Yeah, he led in pitching WAR twice, but was in the top ten "only" twice more. In ERA, he had the two titles and four other top 10 finishes. The teams hurt in the win and win percentage figures, where he was in the top 10 three and two times respectively. He was in the top 10 in WHIP six times, and five times each for IP, K and CG. For the franchise overall, he's second in career IP, 5th in career wins, 5th in pitching WAR, 12th in both K and ERA+, and 5th in career shutouts.

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  • BigRon
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    Ouch- Dolf Luque hasn't been elected to the Reds Hall of Fame? This is amazing. Luque is one of a small handful of the best pitchers in Reds history. He pitched well for more than 10 years for the Reds, won more than 150 games with often mediocre teams, won 2 ERA crowns. Unfortunately I haven't been following the Reds election closely- when I opened it up today I first saw the results through 3 rounds, saw Luque hadn't been elected, said huh? Then I looked further, saw that he didn't make it in round 4- a real travesty. I'm feeling bad since I didn't vote in this one. Anyhow, a BIG mistake.

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  • dgarza
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    Lonny Frey
    Frey played 7 seasons for the Reds, but lost 2 years during WWII.

    Frey is the 3rd best 2B in Reds history in terms of WAR.
    Code:
                                           
    Rk             Player WAR/pos From   To
    1          Joe Morgan    61.3 1972 1979
    2          Bid McPhee    57.9 1882 1899
    [B]3          [U]Lonny Frey[/U]    30.4 1938 1946[/B]
    4      Miller Huggins    16.6 1904 1909
    5       Johnny Temple    16.4 1952 1964
    Frey is 2nd in all time Reds WAR Runs Fielding for 2B.
    Code:
                                                     
    Rk             Player Rfield From   To   Age    G
    1          Bid McPhee    154 1882 1899 22-39 2138
    [B]2          [U]Lonny Frey[/U]     89 1938 1946 27-35  941[/B]
    3        Hughie Critz     73 1924 1930 23-29  802
    4         Pokey Reese     40 1997 2001 24-28  604
    5           Sam Bohne     40 1921 1926 24-29  602
    Frey accumulated a WAR of 6.0 at 2B. He did it two years in a row, 1939 & 1940. Joe Morgan is the only other Red 2B to have 6.0+ WAR in any season.

    Frey was a 3x AS, starting both 1939 & 1941 Classics.

    From 1938-1946, Frey had the most HR, BB, & SB of all NL 2B.
    In 1940, he led the NL in Putouts and Assists at 2B.
    In 1943, he led the NL in % at 2B.

    Frey helped drive the Reds to consecutive pennants in 1939 & 1940 by leading all his position player teammates in WAR.

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  • dgarza
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    I'd like to make a push for a few players.

    Bob Purkey
    Purkey was a 5x All Star, Starting Pitcher for one of the 1961 AGS

    In 1962, he was 23-5, with Winning Percentage of .821, which was best in both the NL and the Majors.
    He tied for 3rd place in the MLB CY voting that year, getting 1 1st place vote.

    He won 17 games in a season 3x for the Reds. Only 11 others have done so.
    Code:
                                                             
    Rk                       Yrs From   To                Age
    1            Frank Dwyer   6 1892 1897 24-29 Ind. Seasons
    2         Paul Derringer   5 1935 1940 28-33 Ind. Seasons
    3             Eppa Rixey   5 1921 1928 30-37 Ind. Seasons
    4           Tony Mullane   5 1886 1892 27-33 Ind. Seasons
    5          Bucky Walters   4 1939 1944 30-35 Ind. Seasons
    6           Pete Donohue   4 1922 1926 21-25 Ind. Seasons
    7           Noodles Hahn   4 1899 1903 20-24 Ind. Seasons
    8           Billy Rhines   4 1890 1897 21-28 Ind. Seasons
    9             Will White   4 1882 1885 27-30 Ind. Seasons
    10            Jim OToole   3 1961 1964 24-27 Ind. Seasons
    [B]11            [U]Bob Purkey[/U]   3 1958 1962 28-32 Ind. Seasons[/B]
    12             Bob Ewing   3 1905 1908 32-35 Ind. Seasons
    Purkey is 1 of 18 Reds to win 100+ games as a Red. His .575 % is 7th best of the 100 game winners.
    Code:
                                                                
    Rk               Player W-L%   W   L   G From   To   Age  GS
    1            Will White .663 136  69 208 1882 1886 27-31 207
    2           Jim Maloney .623 134  81 289 1960 1970 20-30 258
    3            Gary Nolan .621 110  67 245 1967 1977 19-29 242
    4         Bucky Walters .599 160 107 312 1938 1948 29-39 296
    5          Tom Browning .583 123  88 300 1984 1994 24-34 298
    6          Noodles Hahn .580 127  92 237 1899 1905 20-26 225
    [B]7            [U]Bob Purke[/U]y .575 103  76 244 1958 1964 28-34 217[/B]
    8           Frank Dwyer .571 133 100 262 1892 1899 24-31 226
    9          Tony Mullane .568 163 124 316 1886 1893 27-34 285
    10           Eppa Rixey .547 179 148 440 1921 1933 30-42 357
    11          Joe Nuxhall .544 130 109 484 1944 1966 15-37 274
    12         Pete Donohue .536 127 110 316 1921 1930 20-29 253
    13            Red Lucas .524 109  99 257 1926 1933 24-31 202
    14           Mario Soto .521 100  92 297 1977 1988 20-31 224
    15       Paul Derringer .518 161 150 393 1933 1942 26-35 322
    16            Bob Ewing .512 108 103 252 1902 1909 29-36 228
    17           Dolf Luque .503 154 152 395 1918 1929 27-38 321
    18   Johnny Vander Meer .500 116 116 313 1937 1949 22-34 279

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  • jalbright
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    This election is concluded with only six votes cast. It's enough to have elected one candidate, who is the only one above the '========== line. This franchise joins the others waiting for the second chance and current/recent actives rounds.

    The official results:
    6 McCormick, Frank
    = =================
    5 Frey, Lonny
    5 Luque, Dolf
    5 Maloney, Jim
    4 Dwyer, Frank
    4 Griffey, Sr., Ken
    4 Nolan, Gary
    4 Purkey, Bob
    4 White, Will
    3 Beckley, Jake
    3 Bell, Gus
    3 Reilly, John
    2 Ewing, Bob
    2 McMillan, Roy
    2 O'Toole, Jim
    2 Sabo, Chris
    2 Temple, Johnny
    1 Bailey, Ed
    1 Cardenas, Leo
    1 Casey, Sean
    1 Goodman, Ival
    1 Lucas, Red
    1 Raffensberger, ken
    1 Sanders, Reggie
    1 Seaver, Tom
    1 Smith, Mike
    1 Derringer, Paul
    1 Geronimo, Cesar
    1 Griffey, Ken Jr
    1 .Post, Wally

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  • jalbright
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    Only about two and a half days left in this election, and the Reds are stuck at the bare minimum to elect anyone, six votes.

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  • jalbright
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    We're in the last week of this election.

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  • jalbright
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    Originally posted by hairmetalfreek View Post
    This is the only franchise I feel comfortable voting for at this point. I just don't know enough about other teams' histories to know what players are deserving.
    It will probably only be two or three weeks until we start the second chance round, where there will be some argument presented for every candidate under consideration, followed by a round for the current actives. Both rounds will also allow consideration of retirees who played in 2010 and/or 2011, though those considered in the second chance round will have to be brought to the electorate's attention prior to the opening of voting. I encourage you to rejoin us for those two rounds.

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  • hairmetalfreek
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    This is the only franchise I feel comfortable voting for at this point. I just don't know enough about other teams' histories to know what players are deserving.

    Players
    Jake Beckley
    Gus Bell
    Paul Derringer
    Cesar Geronimo
    Ken Griffey, Jr.
    Ken Griffey, Sr.
    Jim Maloney
    Frank McCormick
    Roy McMillan
    Jim O'Toole
    Wally Post
    Bob Purkey
    John Reilly
    Chris Sabo
    Johnny Temple

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  • jalbright
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    Only five votes cast so far, not even enough to elect anyone.

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  • dgarza
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    Ed Bailey
    Gus Bell
    Leo Cardenas
    Sean Casey
    Lonny Frey
    Ken Griffey Sr
    Dolf Luque
    Jim Maloney
    Frank McCormick
    Roy McMillan
    Gary Nolan
    Bob Purkey
    Chris Sabo
    Tom Seaver
    Johnny Temple

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