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  • BBF Dodgers Hall of Fame - round five

    We've already inducted the following players and contributors for this franchise:

    Players
    Dolph Camilli
    Roy Campanella
    Ron Cey
    Willie Davis
    Don Drysdale
    Carl Furillo
    Steve Garvey
    Jim Gilliam
    Burleigh Grimes
    Pedro Guerrero
    Orel Hershiser
    Gil Hodges
    Sandy Koufax
    Davey Lopes
    Van Lingle Mungo
    Don Newcombe
    Claude Osteen
    Mike Piazza
    Johnny Podres
    Pee Wee Reese
    Pete Reiser
    Jackie Robinson
    Preacher Roe
    Nap Rucker
    Jimmy Sheckard
    Duke Snider
    Don Sutton
    Fernando Valenzuela
    Dazzy Vance
    Dixie Walker
    Bob Welch
    Zack Wheat
    Maury Wills

    Contributors elections concluded
    Walter Alston
    Red Barber
    Buzzie Bavasi
    Al Campanis
    Leo Durocher
    Charlie Ebbetts
    Tommy Lasorda
    Branch Rickey
    Wilbert Robinson
    Vin Scully

    Round four of the Dodgers HOF elections can be found here

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately five days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes is also necessary to elect a candidate.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.


    LOS ANGELES DODGERS
    This election will end on Saturday, March 31, at 7:00 a.m. EDT

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1884 (AA 1884-1889, NL since)
    - Former Locations/Names: Brooklyn Atlantics (1884), Brooklyn Grays (1885-1887), Brooklyn Bridegrooms (1888-1890, 1896-1898), Broolyn Grooms (1891-1895), Brooklyn Superbas (1899-1910, 1913), Brooklyn Dodgers (1911-1912, 1932-1957), Brooklyn Robins (1914-1931)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 6 (1955, 1959, 1963, 1965, 1981, 1988)
    - Pennants: 22 (1889, 1890, 1899, 1900, 1916, 1920, 1941, 1947, 1949, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1963, 1965, 1966, 1974, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1988)
    - Division Titles: 12 (1974, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1994, 1995, 2004, 2008, 2009)
    - Wild Card Berths: 2 (1996, 2006)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (12): Kirk Gibson (1988), Steve Garvey (1974), Sandy Koufax (1963), Maury Wills (1962), Don Newcombe (1956), Roy Campanella (1955), Roy Campanella (1953), Roy Campanella (1951), Jackie Robinson (1949), Dolph Camilli (1941), Dazzy Vance (1924), Jake Daubert (1913)

    - Cy Young Recipients (9): Eric Gagne (2003), Orel Hershiser (1988), Fernando Valenzuela (1981), Mike Marshall (1974), Sandy Koufax (1966), Sandy Koufax (1965), Sandy Koufax (1963), Don Drysdale (1962), Don Newcombe (1956)

    - RoY Recipients (16): Todd Hollandsworth (1996), Hideo Nomo (1995), Raul Mondesi (1994), Mike Piazza (1993), Eric Karros (1992), Steve Sax (1982), Fernando Valenzuela (1981), Steve Howe (1980), Rick Sutcliffe (1979), Ted Sizemore (1969), Jim Lefebvre (1965), Frank Howard (1960), Jim Gilliam (1953), Joe Black (1952), Don Newcombe (1949), Jackie Robinson (1947)

    - Batting Triple Crown (0):

    - Pitching Triple Crown (4): Sandy Koufax (1966), Sandy Koufax (1965), Sandy Koufax (1963), Dazzy Vance (1924)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Pee Wee Reese		10
    2	Don Drysdale		9
    t3	Roy Campanella		8
    t3	Steve Garvey		8
    t3	Gil Hodges		8
    t6	Sandy Koufax		7
    t6	Duke Snider		7
    t6	Maury Wills		7
    t9	Ron Cey			6
    t9	Jackie Robinson		6
    t9	Fernando Valenzuela	6
    t12	Mike Piazza		5
    t12	Johnny Roseboro		5
    t12	Dixie Walker		5
    t15	Pedro Guerrero		4
    t15	Cookie Lavagetto	4
    t15	Davey Lopes		4
    t15	Don Newcombe		4
    t15	Mickey Owen		4
    t15	Johnny Podres		4
    t15	Preacher Roe		4
    t15	Don Sutton		4
    t15	Whit Wyatt		4
    t24	Ralph Branca		3
    t24	Tommy Davis		3
    t24	Eric Gagne		3
    t24	Billy Herman		3
    t24	Orel Hershiser		3
    t24	Joe Medwick		3
    t24	Van Mungo		3
    t24	Charlie Neal		3
    t24	Claude Osteen		3
    t24	Babe Phelps		3
    t24	Pete Reiser		3
    t24	Bill Russell		3
    t24	Steve Sax		3
    t24	Gary Sheffield		3
    t24	Reggie Smith		3
    t39	Dusty Baker		2
    t39	Kevin Brown		2
    t39	Jonathan Broxton*	2
    t39	Dolph Camilli		2
    t39	Willie Davis		2
    t39	Leo Durocher		2
    t39	Carl Furillo		2
    t39	Augie Galan		2
    t39	Jim Gilliam		2
    t39	Clem Labine		2
    t39	Norm Larker		2
    t39	Paul Lo Duca		2
    t39	Mike Marshall		2
    t39	Russell Martin*		2
    t39	Andy Messersmith	2
    t39	Wally Moon		2
    t39	Brad Penny*		2
    t39	Mike Scioscia		2
    t39	Jeff Shaw		2
    t39	Stan Williams		2
    t39	Todd Worrell		2
    t39	Jimmy Wynn		2
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Walter Alston		3658		.558	4		7		1
    Charlie Byrne		354		.503
    Max Carey		311		.476
    Bill Dahlen		615		.414
    Patsy Donovan		460		.405
    Chuck Dressen		468		.642			2
    Leo Durocher		1318		.566			1
    Dave Foutz		532		.507
    Burleigh Grimes		306		.434
    Ned Hanlon		1018		.512			2
    Davey Johnson		324		.503
    Tommy Lasorda		3041		.526	2		4		8		
    Grady Little		324		.525							1
    Bill McGunnigle		412		.658			2
    Wilbert Robinson	2736		.506			2
    Bill Russell		322		.537                                                    1
    Burt Shotton		545		.603			2
    Casey Stengel		463		.453
    Joe Torre		486		.533					2
    Jim Tracy^		810		.527					1
    
    ^ Currently managing another team
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Here's my ballot:

    Bob Caruthers
    Watty Clark
    Tom Daly
    Jake Daubert
    Shawn Green
    Mike Griffin
    Babe Herman
    Burt Hooton
    Brickyard Kennedy
    Ramon Martinez
    Raul Mondesi
    Jeff Pfeffer
    George Pinkney
    John Roseboro
    Mike Scioscia
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Players
      Bob Caruthers
      Watty Clark
      Tom Daly
      Jake Daubert
      Augie Galan
      Mike Griffin
      Burt Hooton
      Brickyard Kennedy
      Ramon Martinez
      Jeff Pfeffer
      George Pinckney
      John Roseboro
      Bill Russell
      Mike Scioscia
      Adonis Terry
      *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

      Comment


      • #4
        Players:

        Tom Daly

        Jake Daubert

        Mike Griffin

        Burt Hooton

        Brickyard Kennedy

        Ramon Martinez

        Jeff Pfeffer

        Comment


        • #5
          Bob Caruthers
          Jake Daubert
          Mike Griffin
          Burt Hooton
          Brickyard Kennedy
          Jeff Pfeffer
          Johnny Roseboro
          Bill Russell
          Mike Scioscia

          Comment


          • #6
            I'm going to present a case for Jake Daubert, which won't require a second as he's already gotten over 50% of the vote in an election for the franchise.

            According to WAR, Daubert was the second best NL 1B four times while with the Dodgers, and was third three times. Two of those three third place finishes were by the tiny margin of 0.2, or about two runs. Bottom line is, he was all-star quality at least six years with the franchise, and I think that's enough to deserve a spot in the team HOF.
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

            Comment


            • #7
              I'm also going to present a case for Burt Hooton. Hooton has also passed the 50% level in a prior election, so he doesn't need a second to make it to the second chance round if he doesn't make it here.

              As a Dodger, Hooton was:
              in the top 10 in pitcher WAR five times;
              in the top 10 in WHIP six times;
              in the top 10 in ERA five times;
              in the top 10 in wins 4 times; and
              in the top 10 in won/loss percentage four times.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

              Comment


              • #8
                Dusty Baker
                Eric Gagne
                Mike Griffin
                Billy Herman
                Burt Hooton
                Andy Messersmith
                Raul Mondesi
                Wes Parker
                Johnny Roseboro
                Bill Russell
                Steve Sax
                Mike Scioscia
                Gary Sheffield
                Reggie Smith
                Whit Wyatt

                Comment


                • #9
                  The case for Jaime Jarrin as a contributor:

                  Jaime Jarrin is the the Spanish sportscasting world what Vin Scully and Harry Caray are to the English speaking broadcasting world. During Jarrin's 54 years with the Dodgers, he has

                  called over 4000 games
                  transcribed road games on the fly for 14 years early on
                  received the Ford C. Frick award in 1998
                  received several prestigious awards for his Spanish speaking announcing

                  Jarrin is someone who at least deserves a second look, IMO and is someone who has had an important role with the Dodgers since they moved to Los Angeles.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                    The case for Jaime Jarrin as a contributor:

                    ...received several prestigious awards for his Spanish speaking announcing
                    Interesting case, and he'll get his chance in the second chance election. Can you name one or more the the awards described in the quoted portion above?
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                      Interesting case, and he'll get his chance in the second chance election. Can you name one or more the the awards described in the quoted portion above?
                      This is what wikipedia has to say about Jarrin's accolades:

                      In 1998, Jarrín received the Ford C. Frick Award from the Baseball Hall of Fame, becoming the second Spanish-language broadcaster to receive that award, joining Mets and Yankees announcer, Buck Canel. The Dodgers are the only team with two Hall of Fame announcers, English language announcer Vin Scully being the other. In February 1998, Jarrin was the first recipient of the Southern California Broadcaster Association's President's Award. Also in 1998, he was honored by the National Association of Hispanic Journalists with their highest award, and received a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

                      In 2002, Jarrin was inducted into the California Broadcasters Association Hall of Fame and in 2003, into the Hispanic Heritage Baseball Museum. He received the 2003 Foreign Language Sports Broadcaster Award from the Southern California Sports Broadcasters inducted into the Southern California Sports Broadcaster's Hall of Fame. Jarrin was honored again by the SCSB with the foreign-language broadcaster of the year award in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2008. In 2009, he was honored by the Society of St. Vincent DePaul for his commitment to changing the lives of at-risk youth in the community.

                      He has also received La Gran Cruz al Merito en El Grado de Comendador (the highest civilian medal) from his native Ecuador in January 1992. In 1990 he was named as one of the top 100 Influential Hispanics in the United States by Hispanic Business Magazine. In 1970, he was the first Latin American to win the Golden Mike Award, which he received again in 1971. In 2000, he spoke at the MLB Rookie Development seminar, which is designed to prepare top minor league prospects for the Major Leagues.
                      The caveat here is that while he is unquestionably one of the most important Spanish radio broadcasters in the US history of radio, a lot of attention comes from what he has done for the community and some of it comes from his role as a Spanish broadcaster outside of the Dodgers organization. I myself am on the fence with him, but he at least deserves some attention and discussion here.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Quick pitches for Labine, Perranoski, Roseboro.

                        Clem Labine played 11 seasons for the Dodgers. He was a quality reliever the entire time, His 113 ERA+ doesn't seem that impressive, but relievers were used differently in the 50s. Labine AVERAGED more than 2 IP per game, and started a number of times in pressure situations- usually with good results.

                        Ron Perranoski had a 132 ERA+ in 8 seasons as a Dodger. He also frequently pitched multiple innings, and led the NL 3 times in games pitched. He was a significant component of the Dodgers' success in the 60s.

                        John Rseboro was a high quality catcher for the Doodgers for 11 seasons, late 50s through late 60s. A good defender and a decent hitter- his stats appear depressed due to the pitchers' era he played in. Roseboro was also a team leader for the Dodgers in those days. He was a 3X all star and 2X Gold Glove winner with the Dodgers.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BigRon View Post
                          Quick pitches for Labine, Perranoski, Roseboro.

                          Clem Labine played 11 seasons for the Dodgers. He was a quality reliever the entire time, His 113 ERA+ doesn't seem that impressive, but relievers were used differently in the 50s. Labine AVERAGED more than 2 IP per game, and started a number of times in pressure situations- usually with good results.

                          Ron Perranoski had a 132 ERA+ in 8 seasons as a Dodger. He also frequently pitched multiple innings, and led the NL 3 times in games pitched. He was a significant component of the Dodgers' success in the 60s.

                          John Rseboro was a high quality catcher for the Doodgers for 11 seasons, late 50s through late 60s. A good defender and a decent hitter- his stats appear depressed due to the pitchers' era he played in. Roseboro was also a team leader for the Dodgers in those days. He was a 3X all star and 2X Gold Glove winner with the Dodgers.
                          These three will get a shot in the second chance election if not elected this time.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Bob Caruthers
                            Jake Daubert
                            Carl Erskine
                            Augie Galan
                            Shawn Green
                            Babe Herman
                            Burt Hooton
                            Clem Labine
                            Ron Perranoski
                            John Roseboro
                            Bill Russell
                            Mike Scioscia

                            I'll check on a couple of the other oldtimers again.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              With about 4 1/2 days left in this election, there's been six votes cast in this election, just enough to elect candidates, but only with a unanimous vote.
                              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                              Comment

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