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  • Yankees BBF Franchise HOF, round 5

    The Yankees already have inducted:

    Players:
    Hank Bauer
    Yogi Berra
    Spud Chandler
    Earle Combs
    Bill Dickey
    Joe DiMaggio
    Whitey Ford
    Lou Gehrig
    Lefty Gomez
    Joe Gordon
    Goose Gossage
    Ron Guidry
    Rickey Henderson
    Tommy Henrich
    Elston Howard
    Waite Hoyt
    Charlie Keller
    Tony Lazzeri
    Mickey Mantle
    Roger Maris
    Don Mattingly
    Gil McDougald
    Thurman Munson
    Bobby Murcer
    Mike Mussina
    Graig Nettles
    Paul O'Neill
    Jorge Posada
    Herb Pennock
    Andy Pettite
    Willie Randolph
    Allie Reynolds
    Phil Rizzuto
    Red Rolfe
    Red Ruffing
    Babe Ruth
    Bill Skowron
    Mel Stottlemyre
    Roy White
    Bernie Williams
    Dave Winfield

    Contributors:
    Mel Allen
    Ed Barrow
    Ralph Houk
    Miller Huggins
    Billy Martin
    Joe McCarthy
    Jacob Ruppert
    Casey Stengel
    George Steinbrenner
    Joe Torre

    This election will close on Saturday March 31, 2012 at 7 am EDT
    The last election is at this link

    PLEASE READ THE FORMAT AND RULES SECTION BEFORE VOTING. THANK YOU.

    FORMAT AND RULES

    Purpose: The purpose of this project is to create a Hall of Fame for each franchise whereby each franchise will honor those individuals whose contributions and accomplishments are most notable, significant, and enduring to that franchise's history. This project is not about simply honoring those with the best statistics with each franchise.

    Standards: Each franchise has its own unique history and context, and thus contributions and accomplishments that may stand out remarkably within one franchise's history, may not be so remarkable in another franchise's history. Standards from franchise to franchise will inherently vary, and thus there should be no impetus to create equal standards among the franchises or to aspire to the standards of the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Consequently, subjectivity within the context of the franchise in question will play an inevitable role when considering an individual's contributions and accomplishments with respect to that franchise. In sum, a franchise's Hall of Fame should be unaffected by the standards and contexts of other franchises as well as the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and should be entirely a product of its own history.

    Election Format: Elections will be conducted one franchise at a time starting in chronological order with the oldest continuously and currently operational franchise. Each election will last approximately seven days.
    - Ballot Size: Voters can select up to 15 players and 5 contributors per election. Ballots that exceed the maximum limits at the close of an election will not be counted. There is no minimum ballot size.
    - Ballot Editing: To account for ongoing discussion, voters may edit their ballots as often as necessary through the end of an election.
    - Election Percentage: Any individual that is listed on at least 75% of either the player or contributor submitted ballots will be elected to that team's Hall of Fame. In instances where an individual receive votes as both a player and a contributor, that individual will be elected if listed on at least 75% of ballots in either category or if the individual's combined vote total is at least 75% of the category with the greatest number of ballots submitted. However, a minimum of six votes are needed for election in any event.
    - Subsequent Rounds: After an election has been performed for each franchise, a second round of elections will commence, again proceeding in chronological order. A third round of elections (and perhaps beyond) may also be held depending on interest.

    Eligibility:
    - Players: Players may be considered by any currently operational franchise for which they appeared and are eligible either immediately upon officially retiring or after having not appeared at any level of professional baseball for an entire season for reasons not due to injury.
    - Contributors: Individuals that contributed in other capacities to a franchise may be considered, including managers, coaches, executives, owners, and broadcasters. Contributors that are still active may only be elected by their current employing franchise, and cannot be considered by prior employing franchises until no longer active (this does not apply to individuals who are employed by a franchise only in nominal and/or non-integral ways, such as in scouting, consulting, or public relations capacities).
    - Multiple Capacities: The totality of contributions and accomplishments with respect to a franchise are to be considered, and thus an individual can only be elected once by a franchise. For purposes of ballot size limits, an individual should be designated either a player or contributor based on what the voter perceives to be the individual's greater role with the franchise. An individual should not be listed as either a player or contributor merely to facilitate ballot space for the other category.
    - Relocations/Renaming: Franchises that have relocated and/or been renamed, may still consider and elect individuals that were with the franchise prior to the relocation/renaming.
    - Multiple Franchises: An individual may be considered and elected by multiple franchises.

    Franchise History
    - Founded: 1901 (AL for entire existence)
    - Former Locations/Names: Baltimore Orioles (1901-1902), New York Highlanders (1904-1912)

    Titles
    - World Series Championships: 27 (1923, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1956, 1958, 1961, 1962, 1977, 1978, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2009)
    - Pennants: 40 (1921, 1922, 1923, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1932, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1941, 1942, 1943, 1947, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1981, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2009)
    - Division Titles: 14 (1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1994, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009)
    - Wild Card Berths: 4 (1995, 1997, 2007, 2010)

    Helpful Links
    The following links are all courtesy of baseball-reference.com, baseball-almanac.com, and wikipedia.com, and may assist voters in determining an individual's impact on this franchise:
    - Franchise Almanac
    - All Batters
    - All Pitchers
    - Batting Leaders
    - Pitching Leaders
    - Most Common Positional Starters
    - Most Common Pitching Staff Alignments
    - Managers
    - Notable Owners and Executives
    - Notable Broadcasters

    Award Recipients
    - MVP Recipients (22): Alex Rodriguez (2007), Alex Rodriguez (2005), Don Mattingly (1985), Thurman Munson (1976), Elston Howard (1963), Mickey Mantle (1962), Roger Maris (1961), Roger Maris (1960), Mickey Mantle (1957), Mickey Mantle (1956), Yogi Berra (1955), Yogi Berra (1954), Yogi Berra (1951), Phil Rizzuto (1950), Joe DiMaggio (1947), Spud Chandler (1943), Joe Gordon (1942), Joe DiMaggio (1941), Joe DiMaggio (1939), Lou Gehrig (1936), Lou Gehrig (1927), Babe Ruth (1923)

    - Cy Young Recipients (5): Roger Clemens (2001), Ron Guidry (1978), Sparky Lyle (1977), Whitey Ford (1961), Bob Turley (1958)

    - RoY Recipients (8): Derek Jeter (1996), Dave Righetti (1981), Thurman Munson (1970), Stan Bahnsen (1968), Tom Tresh (1962), Tony Kubek (1957), Bob Grim (1954), Gil McDougald (1951)

    - Batting Triple Crown (2): Mickey Mantle (1956), Lou Gehrig (1934)

    - Pitching Triple Crown (2): Lefty Gomez (1937), Lefty Gomez (1934)

    Multiple All Star Selections (no adjustment for double selections for 1959-1962)
    Code:
    Rank 	Player			Selections
    1	Mickey Mantle		20
    2	Yogi Berra		18
    3	Joe DiMaggio		13
    4	Elston Howard		12
    t5	Bill Dickey		11
    t5	Derek Jeter*		11
    t5	Mariano Rivera*		11
    8	Whitey Ford		10
    t9	Bobby Richardson	8
    t9	Dave Winfield		8
    t11	Lou Gehrig		7
    t11	Lefty Gomez		7
    t11	Thurman Munson		7
    t11	Moose Skowron		7
    t15	Joe Gordon		6
    t15	Roger Maris		6
    t15	Don Mattingly		6
    t15	Gil McDougald		6
    t15	Alex Rodriguez*		6
    t15	Red Ruffing		6
    t21	Tommy Henrich		5
    t21	Reggie Jackson		5
    t21	Charlie Keller		5
    t21	Graig Nettles		5
    t21	Jorge Posada*		5
    t21	Willie Randolph		5
    t21	Allie Reynolds		5
    t21	Phil Rizzuto		5
    t21	Mel Stottlemyre		5
    t21	Bernie Williams		5
    t31	Wade Boggs		4
    t31	Spud Chandler		4
    t31	Goose Gossage		4
    t31	Ron Guidry		4
    t31	Rickey Henderson	4
    t31	Tony Kubek		4
    t31	Bobby Murcer		4
    t31	Paul O’Neill		4
    t31	Vic Raschi		4
    t31	Red Rolfe		4
    t40	Hank Bauer		3
    t40	Ben Chapman		3
    t40	Ryne Duren		3
    t40	Jason Giambi*		3
    t40	Sparky Lyle		3
    t40	Johnny Murphy		3
    t40	Joe Page		3
    t40	Joe Pepitone		3
    t40	Andy Pettitte*		3
    t40	Tom Tresh		3
    t51	Tiny Bonham		2
    t51	Hank Borowy		2
    t51	Robinson Cano*		2
    t51	Roger Clemens		2
    t51	Joe Coates		2
    t51	David Cone		2
    t51	Frankie Crosetti	2
    t51	Bucky Dent		2
    t51	Catfish Hunter		2
    t51	Tommy John		2
    t51	Jimmy Key		2
    t51	Hideki Matsui*		2
    t51	George McQuinn		2
    t51	Monte Pearson		2
    t51	Dave Righetti		2
    t51	Babe Ruth		2
    t51	Steve Sax		2
    t51	George Selkirk		2
    t51	Gary Sheffield		2
    t51	Alfonso Soriano*	2
    t51	Snuffy Stirnweiss	2
    t51	Ralph Terry		2
    t51	Bob Turley		2
    t51	Roy White		2	
    
    * Player is currently active
    Notable Managers (with at least 300 games managed with this franchise or at least one pennant win)
    Code:
    Manager			Games		Win %	WS Titles	Pennants	Div Titles	Wild Cards
    Yogi Berra		342		.565	1		1
    Bill Donovan		465		.479
    Joe Girardi*		486		.591	1		1		1		1
    Clark Griffith		807		.531
    Bucky Harris		309		.620	1		1
    Ralph Houk		1757		.539	2		3
    Dick Howser		163		.632					1
    Miller Huggins		1796		.597	3		6
    Bob Lemon		172		.576	1		2		2
    Billy Martin		941		.591	1		2		2
    Joe McCarthy		2348		.627	7		8
    Lou Piniella		417		.537
    Buck Showalter^		582		.539					1		1
    Casey Stengel		1851		.623	7		10
    Joe Torre		1942		.605	4		6		10		2
    
    * Current manager
    ^ Currently managing another team
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    My ballot:

    Players
    Ray Caldwell
    Ben Chapman
    Jack Chesbro
    Roger Clemens
    Russ Ford
    Reggie Jackson
    Eddie Lopat
    Roger Peckinpaugh
    Wally Pipp
    Dave Righetti
    George Selkirk
    Bob Shawkey
    Tom Tresh

    Contributors
    George Weiss
    Last edited by jalbright; 03-18-2012, 10:51 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #3
      I think that George Weiss is a serious omission by this point. Here's a case I cobbled together from some online sources:

      In 1932, at 37, George Weiss was hired by the Yankees to create a farm system, which had been pioneered by the St. Louis Cardinals and was the linchpin of the Cardinals' dominance of the Senior Circuit. Weiss grew the Yankee system from four farm teams in 1931 to 16 by 1939 and 20 by 1947. The Yankee farm system churned out many of the players who would lead the Bronx Bombers to their four consecutive (1936–39) World Series titles in the 1930s, their five straight titles (1949–53), and their six other championship clubs sprinkled throughout the rest of the 1940s and 1950s. Thus in total, the team won 19 American League pennants and 15 World Series Championships with his involvement.

      In October 1947, just after the 1947 World Series championship, Weiss was promoted to general manager of the Yankees. Weiss led the Yankees to 10 AL pennants and seven world titles in 13 seasons.

      He was named The Sporting News' Major League Executive of the Year in 1950, 1951, 1952, and 1960.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        Players
        Ray Caldwell
        Ben Chapman
        Jack Chesbro
        Frankie Crosetti
        Eddie Lopat
        Bob Meusel
        Roger Peckinpaugh
        Wally Pipp
        Vic Raschi
        Dave Righetti
        George Selkirk
        Bob Shawkey
        Snuffy Stirnweiss
        Tom Tresh
        Jimmy Williams

        Contributors
        Joe Girardi
        Clark Griffith
        Bucky Harris
        Bob Lemon
        Lou Piniella
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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        • #5
          Players:

          Ben Chapman
          Jack Chesbro
          Bucky Dent
          Russ Ford
          Reggie Jackson
          Tony Kubek
          Don Larson
          Eddie Lopat
          Sparky Lyle
          Bob Meusel
          Roger Peckinpaugh
          Lou Pinella
          Wally Pipp
          Dave Righetti
          Bob Shawkey

          Contributors:

          Red Barber
          Brian Cashman
          Frank Messer
          Bob Shepphard
          George Weiss

          Comment


          • #6
            The case for Bob Meusel:

            Bob Meusel played 10 years for the NY Yankees and often gets overshadowed because of who he played with (Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig). While with the Yankees, Meusel was an MVP candidate 3 times, and had an explosive year in 1928 when he led the league in games, home runs and RBIs. His best 3 WAR with the Yankees was 4.2, 3.7, 3.3. He also accumulated 107 Gray ink in his career, 99% of which came as a Yankee. Meusel is not a HOFer, but he is definitely worthy of the Yankees HOF.
            Last edited by jjpm74; 03-18-2012, 09:49 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
              The case for Bob Meusel:

              Bob Meusel played 10 years for the NY Yankees and often gets overshadowed because of who he played with (Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig). While with the Yankees, Meusel was an MVP candidate 3 times, and had an explosive year in 1928 when he led the league in games, home runs and RBIs. His best 3 WAR with the Yankees was 4.2, 3.7, 3.3. He also accumulated 107 WAR in his career, 99% of which came as a Yankee. Meusel is not a HOFer, but he is definitely worthy of the Yankees HOF.
              Meusel came nowhere accumulating 107 WAR in his career,. According to www.baseball-reference.com he had 23.9 career WAR, 24.4 with the Yankees. He had a rather truncated major league career, totaling eleven seasons.

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              • #8
                Players:

                Bob Meusel

                Roger Peckinpaugh

                Wally Pip

                Bob Shawkey

                Contributors:

                Red Barber

                Bob Sheppard

                George Weiss

                Bill White

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by NJRob65 View Post
                  Meusel came nowhere accumulating 107 WAR in his career,. According to www.baseball-reference.com he had 23.9 career WAR, 24.4 with the Yankees. He had a rather truncated major league career, totaling eleven seasons.
                  He accumulated 107 gray ink. That was a typo on my part. If he accumulated 107 WAR, he'd be an all time great.

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                  • #10
                    If Meusel doesn't make it this round, he'll make the second chance round.
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Meusel is a tough case for me. When I add up his peaks and career with the Yankees, he's a tiny bit short. I ran his season by season WAR against other corner OF of his day, and he never finished higher than 7th, and only once that high. IOW, he was never All-Star quality. That makes it really hard for me to support him. I won't if I'm not in the position of blocking his induction. If I'm in that position, I'll have a dilemma on my hands.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I'm going to add a case for Bob Shawkey. He has reached 50% in the voting, so he doesn't need a second to make the second chance round.

                        In his time with the Yankees, Shawkey:

                        was in the top 10 among pitching WAR five times (three of them third place finishes);
                        was in the top 10 in ERA three times;
                        was in the top 10 in wins six times;
                        was in the top 10 in won/lost percentage six times;
                        was in the top 10 in WHIP six times;
                        was in the top ten in K/ 9 IP seven times;
                        was in the top 10 in IP four times;
                        was in the top 10 in strikeouts seven times; and
                        was in the top 10 in K /BB ratio 8 times.

                        Yeah, he had good taste in teammates, but he did a lot to help himself, too.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Players
                          Wade Boggs
                          Ben Chapman
                          Roger Clemens
                          David Cone
                          Reggie Jackson
                          Tony Kubek
                          Sparky Lyle
                          Joe Pepitone
                          Vic Raschi
                          Bobby Richardson
                          Dave Righetti
                          Bob Shawkey
                          Stuffy Stirnweiss
                          Tom Tresh
                          Bob Turley

                          Contributors
                          Red Barber
                          Bob Sheppard
                          George Weiss

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                          • #14
                            With about 4 1/2 days left in this election, there's been only five votes cast in this election, not even enough to elect any candidates, even with a unanimous vote.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              I'll try to get to this in the next couple of days.

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