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  • Which of these players linked to steroids do you think will eventually get in the HOF

    All of these players are either known users or have been linked to roids somehow. Vote for which ones you think will get in.
    183
    Alex Rodriguez
    16.39%
    30
    Roger Clemens
    13.66%
    25
    Mark Mcgwire
    4.92%
    9
    Manny Ramirez
    7.10%
    13
    Barry Bonds
    14.21%
    26
    Sammy Sosa
    3.83%
    7
    Raffy Palmerio
    3.28%
    6
    Gary Sheffield
    4.37%
    8
    Ivan Rodriguez
    13.66%
    25
    Juan Gonzalez
    0.00%
    0
    Kevin Brown
    0.55%
    1
    Mike Piazza
    14.75%
    27
    David Ortiz
    1.64%
    3
    Eric Gagne
    0.00%
    0
    Jason Giambi
    0.00%
    0
    None of them will get in
    1.64%
    3

  • #2
    I went with Arod, who has basically gotten a pass on this issue, Clemens, Bonds and Piazza. I should have included Irod. You can change my vote to reflect that if you want.
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    • #3
      I wouldn't say Arod has gotten a free pass, but he seems to have avoided a lot of heat because a lot of people for whatever reason believe him when he says he only used steroids for three years.

      Also, despite being fingered by Canseco, I think Irod along with Piazza will be the only ones to get in on the first ballot.

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      • #4
        IRod and Piazza will get in easily, because there is only speculation that they used PEDs and they both had HOF-worthy careers. Juan Gonzalez, David Ortiz, Eric Gagne, and Jason Giambi did not have HOF careers, in my opinion, so the steroid issue just makes their cases even worse. Manny Ramirez, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, and Gary Sheffield all put up numbers that would have got them to Cooperstown, but the steroid issue puts them outside the hall.

        ARod, Clemens, and Bonds all had "inner circle HOF" type careers, but voters will probably make them wait as punishment. They almost have to get in eventually, because they are considered to be among the best players of the past 25 years. I do think they will each get in via the BBWAA before their 15 years of eligibility expires. Depending on how long it takes for 3/4ths of the voters to agree on Bonds and Clemens, ARod still has a shot of getting in on the first ballot. One of those three getting in opens the door for the other two.

        That just leaves Mark McGwire, who is the one known steroid user who has been at the mercy of the voters for the longest time (and has yet to receive even 25% of the vote). I would have lumped his career in with the Ramirez and Sosa group, as they were players whose careers would put them in without the PEDs but probably not good enough with that asterisk by their names. I think eventually Big Mac will be selected by a sympathetic Veterans Committee decades from now. I think he's helping his case by getting back into baseball as a coach. There seems to be a certain stigma attached to the players who just disappeared after people found out about the steroids.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by davewashere View Post
          IRod and Piazza will get in easily, because there is only speculation that they used PEDs and they both had HOF-worthy careers. Juan Gonzalez, David Ortiz, Eric Gagne, and Jason Giambi did not have HOF careers, in my opinion, so the steroid issue just makes their cases even worse. Manny Ramirez, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Kevin Brown, and Gary Sheffield all put up numbers that would have got them to Cooperstown, but the steroid issue puts them outside the hall.
          Call me crazy, but I think Manny will receive more support than the other players. Fair or unfair, Manny is not usually lumped in with the hulking sluggers like Sosa and Mcgwire. Plus, by the time he's eligible, a lot of the steroid backlash will have died down somewhat. I certainly don't think he gets in on first ballot, but he'll get in I think. He's certainly a much better hitter than Sosa and Raffy, and he's also better than Sheffield too.

          Originally posted by davewashere View Post
          ARod, Clemens, and Bonds all had "inner circle HOF" type careers, but voters will probably make them wait as punishment. They almost have to get in eventually, because they are considered to be among the best players of the past 25 years. I do think they will each get in via the BBWAA before their 15 years of eligibility expires. Depending on how long it takes for 3/4ths of the voters to agree on Bonds and Clemens, ARod still has a shot of getting in on the first ballot. One of those three getting in opens the door for the other two.
          If Bonds and Clemens are in by the time Arod is eligible, I'll agree he'll get in first ballot. Plus, like Manny, when he is eligible, the steroid backlash will have died down somewhat.

          Originally posted by davewashere View Post
          That just leaves Mark McGwire, who is the one known steroid user who has been at the mercy of the voters for the longest time (and has yet to receive even 25% of the vote). I would have lumped his career in with the Ramirez and Sosa group, as they were players whose careers would put them in without the PEDs but probably not good enough with that asterisk by their names. I think eventually Big Mac will be selected by a sympathetic Veterans Committee decades from now. I think he's helping his case by getting back into baseball as a coach. There seems to be a certain stigma attached to the players who just disappeared after people found out about the steroids.
          Mac was my favorite player as a kid, but I think he has no shot, and that has a lot to do with the allegations being that he juiced his whole career.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by davewashere View Post
            <Snip good post>
            Almost mirrors my thinking exactly, and explained better.

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            • #7
              When was Piazza inked to steroids, or more precisely, performance enhancing drugs(p.e.d)? Speculation does equal definitive usage. I don't recall his name being included on the Mitchell report.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by NJRob65 View Post
                When was Piazza inked to steroids, or more precisely, performance enhancing drugs(p.e.d)? Speculation does equal definitive usage. I don't recall his name being included on the Mitchell report.
                From Mike Piazza:

                Piazza has said he briefly used androstenedione early in his career, stopping when he did not see a drastic change in his muscle mass. He said he had never used steroids because ”I hit the ball as far in high school as I do now.”
                Source:

                http://www.metstoday.com/6054/10-11-...steroid-issue/

                That doesn't mean he is a suspected steroid user, but he is most definitely one of the players linked to steroid use.

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                • #9
                  Not to call anyone out, but Lpeters199 I'm curious as to why you think Clemens and Arod will get in but not Piazza considering that there's far more evidence on the them than Piazza (in Arod's case a positive test and an admission).

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                  • #10
                    The evidence against Piazza is very flimsy, but I included him anyway because he was mentioned in that Pearlman book about Clemens life/roid use.

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                    • #11
                      I meant to vote for Piazza, my finger slipped and I ended up accidentally voting for Ortiz.

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                      • #12
                        I gave Piazza one more vote and Ortiz one less in the poll results. Can't help with the listing of who voted for them, though.
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                        • #13
                          I would vote in Arod, bonds, manny, clemens, Irod, piazza, mac and giambi (he might lack a little longevity but his peak was absolutely dominant. he was the best hitter of the AL for about 5 years from 99 to 03 when he posted a 171 OPS+ with a .311, .444, .596 line and 196 HRs).

                          the other guys are probably not HOF worthy, maybe sheffield and sosa are.
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                          • #14
                            A-Rod, I-Rod, and Piazza will make it.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by dominik View Post
                              I would vote in Arod, bonds, manny, clemens, Irod, piazza, mac and giambi (he might lack a little longevity but his peak was absolutely dominant. he was the best hitter of the AL for about 5 years from 99 to 03 when he posted a 171 OPS+ with a .311, .444, .596 line and 196 HRs).

                              the other guys are probably not HOF worthy, maybe sheffield and sosa are.
                              Sammy Sosa shouldn't even be involved in a discussion about being a borderline HoF'er.
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