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  • Angels BBF HOF second chance election

    This will be one of three second chance round elections this week. What we'll do for the second chance election is a Yes/No vote requiring the greater of 6 or 75% of the votes to induct. The election will be limited to the listed nominees. The elections will only be open for a week--but there will be at least three or four days for discussion and new nominations. You can abstain from an entire ballot (player or contributor), but if you vote in that portion of the ballot, only the guys you expressly vote yes for get credit for a positive vote. The others in that section of the ballot will be considered to have gotten a "no" vote. There will be no limits on how many nominees you can vote for . I will also provide the nomination discussions for the nominees. The deadline for suggesting nominees is twelve hours before the election begins.


    In this case, the election will not begin until Saturday, April 14 at 7 am EDT, and will end at 7 am EDT April 21. Nominations close 12 hours before the election begins, or April 13 at 7 pm EDT. Ballots not cast within the stated election time frame will not count.


    The Angels have the following already inducted:

    Inducted Players (9) : Garrett Anderson, Dean Chance, Brian Downing, Jm Edmonds, Chuck Finley, Jim Fregosi, Bobby Grich, Mark Langston, Troy Percival, Nolan Ryan, Tim Salmon, Frank Tanana

    Inducted Contributors (2): Gene Autry, Gene Mauch, Mike Scioscia

    The list of nominees at present is:

    Players:
    Bob Boone
    Rod Carew
    Darin Erstad
    Troy Glaus (as a recent retiree, no case needed, so none is presented)
    Fred Lynn

    Contributors
    Buzzie Bavasi
    Jimmie Reese
    Bill Rigney
    Bill Stoneman
    Last edited by jalbright; 04-12-2012, 08:36 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    Darin Erstad
    28.0 WAR/pos (6th in franchise history)
    14.1 oWAR (13th)
    13.9 dWAR (1st)
    0.286 BA (11th)
    0.341 OBP (25th)
    0.416 SLG (23rd)
    0.756 OPS (22nd)
    1320 G (5th)
    5258 AB (4th)
    5789 PA (5th)
    818 R (4th)
    1505 H (4th)
    2186 TB (4th)
    279 2B (4th)
    30 3B (6th)
    114 HR (14th)
    625 RBI (4th)
    419 BB (7th)
    170 SB (4th)
    1082 1B (2nd)
    423 XBH (4th)
    1959 TOB (5th)
    76.92 SB% (3rd)
    *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

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    • #3
      Bob Boone
      4x Gold Glove (1982,1986,1987,1988)
      All Star (1983)

      Led AL in :
      Putouts as C (1982)
      Assists as C (1982,1983,1984,1986,1988)
      Caught Stealing as C (1982)
      Caught Stealing % (1982,1985,1987)
      Total Zone Runs as C (1982,1985,1986,1987,1988)

      Angels Career WAR Runs Fielding :
      Code:
                                                  
      Rk              Player Rfield    G From   To
      1         Darin Erstad    139 1320 1996 2006
      2            Bob Boone     82  968 1982 1988
      3      Garret Anderson     75 2013 1994 2008
      4          Devon White     65  612 1985 1990
      5       Gary Disarcina     63 1086 1989 2000
      Angels Career Sac. Hits :
      Code:
                                            
      Rk                 Player SH From   To
      1               Bob Boone 90 1982 1988
      2          Dick Schofield 89 1983 1996
      3             Bobby Grich 78 1977 1986
      4          Gary Disarcina 77 1989 2000
      5             Jim Fregosi 74 1961 1971
      Boone ranks 3rd on the All Time AL Catcher WAR Runs Fielding (practically all of it came as an Angel) :
      Code:
                                               
      Rk                Player Rfield From   To
      1         Ivan Rodriguez    155 1991 2009
      2           Jim Sundberg    113 1974 1989
      3              Bob Boone     87 1982 1990
      4           Rick Dempsey     64 1969 1992
      5          Ron Karkovice     62 1986 1997
      6          Butch Wynegar     54 1976 1988
      7             Dan Wilson     52 1994 2005
      8              Joe Mauer     48 2004 2012
      9          Lance Parrish     48 1977 1995
      10            Ray Schalk     46 1912 1928
      All Time Catcher Seasonal WAR Runs Fielding :
      Code:
                                                    
      Rk               Player Rfield Year Age  Tm Lg
      1           Gary Carter     27 1983  29 MON NL
      2        Ivan Rodriguez     25 1996  24 TEX AL
      3        Ivan Rodriguez     21 1997  25 TEX AL
      4            Jody Davis     21 1986  29 CHC NL
      5        Ivan Rodriguez     20 1999  27 TEX AL
      6             Bob Boone     20 1982  34 CAL AL
      7          Mike Matheny     19 2000  29 STL NL
      8        Ivan Rodriguez     19 1998  26 TEX AL
      9       Charles Johnson     19 1997  25 FLA NL
      10         Tom Pagnozzi     19 1991  28 STL NL
      11            Bob Boone     17 1986  38 CAL AL
      12        Butch Wynegar     17 1979  23 MIN AL
      13         Jim Sundberg     17 1978  27 TEX AL
      In the 1986 ALCS, Boone batted .455/.500/.591/1.091 - with 10 hits, 1 HR, 2 RBIs, 4 Runs

      On September 30, 1984, Boone caught Mike Witt's perfect game.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by dgarza View Post
        Bob Boone
        4x Gold Glove (1982,1986,1987,1988)
        All Star (1983)

        Led AL in :
        Putouts as C (1982)
        Assists as C (1982,1983,1984,1986,1988)
        Caught Stealing as C (1982)
        Caught Stealing % (1982,1985,1987)
        Total Zone Runs as C (1982,1985,1986,1987,1988)

        Angels Career WAR Runs Fielding :
        Code:
                                                    
        Rk              Player Rfield    G From   To
        1         Darin Erstad    139 1320 1996 2006
        2            Bob Boone     82  968 1982 1988
        3      Garret Anderson     75 2013 1994 2008
        4          Devon White     65  612 1985 1990
        5       Gary Disarcina     63 1086 1989 2000
        Angels Career Sac. Hits :
        Code:
                                              
        Rk                 Player SH From   To
        1               Bob Boone 90 1982 1988
        2          Dick Schofield 89 1983 1996
        3             Bobby Grich 78 1977 1986
        4          Gary Disarcina 77 1989 2000
        5             Jim Fregosi 74 1961 1971
        Boone ranks 3rd on the All Time AL Catcher WAR Runs Fielding (practically all of it came as an Angel) :
        Code:
                                                 
        Rk                Player Rfield From   To
        1         Ivan Rodriguez    155 1991 2009
        2           Jim Sundberg    113 1974 1989
        3              Bob Boone     87 1982 1990
        4           Rick Dempsey     64 1969 1992
        5          Ron Karkovice     62 1986 1997
        6          Butch Wynegar     54 1976 1988
        7             Dan Wilson     52 1994 2005
        8              Joe Mauer     48 2004 2012
        9          Lance Parrish     48 1977 1995
        10            Ray Schalk     46 1912 1928
        All Time Catcher Seasonal WAR Runs Fielding :
        Code:
                                                      
        Rk               Player Rfield Year Age  Tm Lg
        1           Gary Carter     27 1983  29 MON NL
        2        Ivan Rodriguez     25 1996  24 TEX AL
        3        Ivan Rodriguez     21 1997  25 TEX AL
        4            Jody Davis     21 1986  29 CHC NL
        5        Ivan Rodriguez     20 1999  27 TEX AL
        6             Bob Boone     20 1982  34 CAL AL
        7          Mike Matheny     19 2000  29 STL NL
        8        Ivan Rodriguez     19 1998  26 TEX AL
        9       Charles Johnson     19 1997  25 FLA NL
        10         Tom Pagnozzi     19 1991  28 STL NL
        11            Bob Boone     17 1986  38 CAL AL
        12        Butch Wynegar     17 1979  23 MIN AL
        13         Jim Sundberg     17 1978  27 TEX AL
        In the 1986 ALCS, Boone batted .455/.500/.591/1.091 - with 10 hits, 1 HR, 2 RBIs, 4 Runs

        On September 30, 1984, Boone caught Mike Witt's perfect game.
        Unfortunately for Boone's case, there's the small matter of what he did at the plate, as opposed to behind it. When his offensive contributions are added in, he only had two years as an Angel with over 2 WAR--which in their parlance is no more than a "starter". His best was 3.1, well short of All-Star level (their shorthand is 5, but for catchers, it looks more like 4, as there are only 192 catcher seasons of 4 or more WAR). I'll definitely be passing on Boonie.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

        Comment


        • #5
          Just a heads up. You have this election beginning and ending simultaneously.

          Comment


          • #6
            Thanks. I fixed it--and the other two second chance election threads started the same day.
            Last edited by jalbright; 04-10-2012, 11:46 AM.
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

            Comment


            • #7
              Rod Carew
              Angel stats :
              .314/.393/.392
              119 OPS+

              Angel team records :
              1st in OBP (500 game min.)
              2nd in AVG (500 game min.)
              6th (tied) in WAR Runs Batting
              8th (tied) in OPS+ (500 game min.)

              2nd best Angel 1B, according to WAR :
              Code:
                                                              
              Rk            Player WAR/pos From   To   Age   G
              1       Wally Joyner    17.8 1986 2001 24-39 899
              2          Rod Carew    16.4 1979 1985 33-39 834
              3      Scott Spiezio     6.2 2000 2003 27-30 573
              4        Don Mincher     4.9 1967 1968 29-30 267
              5         Joe Adcock     4.9 1964 1966 36-38 323
              6 straight All Star Games (1979-1984)
              1979-1984 ASGs :
              .500/.583/.600/1.183
              Hits - 5
              Runs - 3


              1979 ALCS :
              .412/.412/.588/1.000
              Hits - 7
              Doubles - 3
              Runs - 4

              Collected his 3000th hit with Angels.

              Carew was hitting coach with the Angels, credited with helping develop young hitters like Garret Anderson, Jim Edmonds, and Tim Salmon.
              Carew has had his number retired by the Angels.
              Inducted into the Angels Hall of Fame.

              Elected to HOF in 1991.
              Inducted into the Hispanic Heritage Baseball Museum Hall of Fame.

              Comment


              • #8
                Buzzie Bavasi
                Angels GM from 1977-1984, during which the Angels had their first period of any real success, winning their division twice.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Jimmie Reese
                  from Wikipedia :
                  Reese was hired as conditioning coach for the Angels, whose job was to get the players into shape. Reese's main specialty, however, was hitting fungos in practice, using a bat he made himself. He even occasionally "pitched" batting practice with his fungo bat, standing at the pitcher's rubber and consistently hitting line drives over the middle of the plate.

                  He threw out the ceremonial first pitch at the 1989 Major League Baseball All-Star Game, played at Anaheim Stadium.

                  His uniform #50 was retired by the club in his memory.


                  In 1992, he was honorary captain of the American League All-Star team.

                  After Jimmie died, his locker at Anaheim Stadium was encased in Plexiglas.

                  Played for the PCL Angels for a few years. Roughly a .300 hitter. He also coached there.

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                  • #10
                    Bill Rigney
                    Angels managerial records :
                    2nd in Games, Wins

                    Sporting News AL Manager of the Year Award in 1962.

                    Angels scout in the 1970s.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Bill Stoneman
                      GM and consultant for the Angels.

                      from Wikipedia :
                      He became general manager of the Angels after the 1999 season. He hired Mike Scioscia as the club's manager and presided over its 2002 American League title and World Series championship and the team's ownership transition from the Walt Disney Company to Arturo Moreno. Stoneman stepped down as GM following the 2007 season.

                      He also pitched for the Angels in 1974.

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                      • #12
                        Fred Lynn
                        In the 4 years Lynn was with the Angels (1981-1984), he batted : .271/.358/.464, OPS+ 127

                        3x All Star (1981,1982,1983) [starting CF in 1982,1983]
                        1983 All Star MVP : hit the 1st ASG Grand Slam, it was his 4th over all ASG HR
                        Lynn also hit a home run in the 2010 All-Star Legends softball game in Anaheim.

                        MVP of the 1982 American League Championship Series, the first player from the losing team ever selected.
                        Batted : .611/.650/.889/1.539
                        Runs - 4
                        RBIs - 5
                        Hits - 11
                        Doubles - 2
                        HRs - 1

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                          Fred Lynn
                          In the 4 years Lynn was with the Angels (1981-1984), he batted : .271/.358/.464, OPS+ 127

                          3x All Star (1981,1982,1983) [starting CF in 1982,1983]
                          1983 All Star MVP : hit the 1st ASG Grand Slam, it was his 4th over all ASG HR
                          Lynn also hit a home run in the 2010 All-Star Legends softball game in Anaheim.

                          MVP of the 1982 American League Championship Series, the first player from the losing team ever selected.
                          Batted : .611/.650/.889/1.539
                          Runs - 4
                          RBIs - 5
                          Hits - 11
                          Doubles - 2
                          HRs - 1
                          Why is the bolded portion even relevant to discussing whether he belongs in the Angel HOF?
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            When I revised the voting schedule, I inadvertently indicated the nominations would not end until the 20th. That is incorrect. They end on the 13th Sorry for any confusion this has caused.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Nominations are closed.
                              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                              Comment

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