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  • Twins BBF HOF second chance election

    This will be one of three second chance round elections this week. What we'll do for the second chance election is a Yes/No vote requiring the greater of 6 or 75% of the votes to induct. The election will be limited to the listed nominees. The elections will only be open for a week--but there will be at least three or four days for discussion and new nominations. You can abstain from an entire ballot (player or contributor), but if you vote in that portion of the ballot, only the guys you expressly vote yes for get credit for a positive vote. The others in that section of the ballot will be considered to have gotten a "no" vote. There will be no limits on how many nominees you can vote for . I will also provide the nomination discussions for the nominees. The deadline for suggesting nominees is twelve hours before the election begins.

    In this case, the election will not begin until Saturday, April 14 at 7 am EDT, and will end at 7 am EDT April 21. Nominations close 12 hours before the election begins, or April 13 at 7 pm EDT. Ballots not cast within the stated election time frame will not count.

    The Twins have the following already inducted:
    - Inducted Players (17): Bert Blyleven, Rod Carew, Joe Cronin, Gary Gaetti, Goose Goslin, Kent Hrbek, Walter Johnson, Jim Kaat, Harmon Killebrew, Buddy Myer, Tony Oliva, Camilo Pascual, Kirby Puckett, Sam Rice, Cecil Travis, Mickey Vernon, Frank Viola

    - Inducted Contributors (4): Ossie Bleuge, Clark Griffith, Bucky Harris, Tom Kelly
    The list of nominees at present is:

    Bob Allison
    Joe Judge
    Chuck Knoblauch
    Dutch Leonard
    Buddy Lewis
    Firpo Marberry
    Clyde Milan
    Jim Perry
    Brad Radke
    Stan Spence

    Hank Carneal
    Ron Gardenhire
    Calvin Griffith
    Arch McDonald
    Sam Mele
    Last edited by jalbright; 04-13-2012, 03:30 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    I'm going to add the case for Firpo Marberry of the Twins/Senators. He doesn't need a second as he had already gotten at least 50% of the vote.

    I'll start with this by Bill James in the original Historical Baseball Abstract (1984) entitled “A History of Relief Pitching.” For those who don’t have it , this is what he said about Marberry:

    Firpo Marberry was a landmark. Marberry was the first truly outstanding pitcher to be used primarily in relief over a period of several seasons. . . Firpo Marberry was not a good pitcher. He was a great pitcher. Whether or not his career had the longevity that is expected of a Hall of Famer, this I don’t know - but for an eleven-year period of time, 1924 through 1934, Marberry was as valuable to his team as any pitcher in baseball except Lefty Grove. His records are deceptive because, in several of his best years, he split his work between starting and relieving. . . He started 187 times in his career, and his record as a starter was terrific (94-52). How many pitchers in the Hall of Fame do you think won more than half their starts? I don’t know, either, but I know a lot of them didn’t. . . He had a career winning percentage of .623, and that without pitching for either the Yankees or the A’s, the two dominant teams in the American League through most of his career.
    Marberry did mix in starting, and in a few seasons for the Senators he was primarily a starter. It leads to a screwy looking record for his time with the franchise, kind of like Dennnis Eckersley's career in miniature. He was twice among the top six in pitching WAR, 3 times in the top five in ERA, 3 times in the top 10 in wins, 4 times in the top 10 in winning percentage, 5 times in the top 10 in WHIP, 4 times in the top 10 in K/ 9 IP, and 7 times in the top 3 in saves, 5 of them firsts.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


    • #3
      Chuck Knoblauch for the Twins:

      In 1992, he was the fourth best 2B in the game according to WAR. Then in 1994-1997, he was one of the top two 2B in the game, but first in the AL (he was first overall in 1996). In a six year stretch, he was almost certainly the best 2B in his league and definitely played the position at an All-Star level. That should be enough to get him into the Twin franchise HOF. I know he unravelled when he departed for New York, but that's irrelevant here.

      Late addition: Knoblauch is 11th in career WAR among position players for the franchise.
      Last edited by jalbright; 04-10-2012, 02:55 PM.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


      • #4
        Here's a case for Joe Judge, who really should already be in.

        Joe Judge
        43.5 WAR/pos (5th in franchise history)
        39.8 oWAR (5th)
        3.7 dWAR (16th)
        0.299 BA (18th)
        0.379 OBP (11th)
        2084 G (3rd)
        7663 AB (3rd)
        8912 PA (3rd)
        1154 R (3rd)
        2291 H (3rd)
        3239 TB (4th)
        421 2B (2nd)
        157 3B (2nd)
        1001 RBI (6th)
        943 BB (3rd)
        210 SB (6th)
        1642 1B (3rd)
        115 OPS+ (tied for 24th)
        649 XBH (4th)
        3285 TOB (3rd)
        16.6 AB/SO (14th)
        *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!


        • #5
          This is the other original 16 franchise that only lasted for two rounds--and, given that fact, it isn't exceptional that Judge got left out. Had there been another round and he still failed to make the grade, that would seem to me to be at least odd.
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


          • #6
            Bob Allison
            Allison played his entire career with this one franchise (1958-1970).
            Hit 256 HRs
            3x All Star (1959,1963,1964) [Started 1B in 1964]
            1959 AL Rookie of the Year [30 HRs, 9 Triples (league leading), 122 OPS+]

            In the Twins Hall of Fame (2003).

            from Wikipedia :
            He is also well remembered for his backhand diving catch in Game 2 of the 1965 World Series.

            Particularly memorable home run feats included hitting three consecutive home runs on May 17, 1963, combining with Harmon Killebrew to become the first pair to hit grand slams in the same inning on July 18, 1963, and teaming with Killebrew, Tony Oliva, and Jimmie Hall to hit four consecutive home runs on May 2, 1964.

            Following his death, the Minnesota Twins created the Bob Allison Award for the Twins player who exemplifies determination, hustle, tenacity, competitive spirit and leadership both on and off the field.

            Allison was one of the ALs best sluggers during his decade peak (1959-1968).
            3rd in Walks :
            Rk              Player  BB
            1        Mickey Mantle 934
            2     Harmon Killebrew 915
            3          Bob Allison 750
            4            Norm Cash 733
            5       Rocky Colavito 732
            4th in ISO (1000 game min.) :
            Rk             Player  ISO
            1    Harmon Killebrew .276
            2       Mickey Mantle .255
            3           Norm Cash .225
            4         Bob Allison .220
            5      Rocky Colavito .215
            4th in Extra Base Hits :
            Rk              Player XBH
            1     Harmon Killebrew 586
            2       Rocky Colavito 513
            3      Brooks Robinson 507
            4          Bob Allison 500
            5            Al Kaline 498
            5th in Runs :
            Rk             Player   R
            1    Harmon Killebrew 856
            2           Al Kaline 823
            3       Luis Aparicio 786
            4       Mickey Mantle 786
            5         Bob Allison 777
            5th in Triples :
            Rk              Player 3B
            1        Luis Aparicio 59
            2          Jim Fregosi 58
            3      Zoilo Versalles 58
            4       Dick McAuliffe 54
            5          Bob Allison 51
            5th in HRs :
            Rk              Player  HR
            1     Harmon Killebrew 386
            2        Mickey Mantle 287
            3       Rocky Colavito 284
            4            Norm Cash 260
            5          Bob Allison 247
            5th in Total Bases :
            Rk              Player   TB
            1     Harmon Killebrew 2685
            2      Brooks Robinson 2531
            3       Rocky Colavito 2445
            4            Al Kaline 2405
            5          Bob Allison 2261
            5th in Runs Produced :
            Rk              Player R_prod
            1     Harmon Killebrew   1448
            2            Al Kaline   1405
            3       Rocky Colavito   1361
            4      Brooks Robinson   1352
            5          Bob Allison   1292
            7th in WAR :
            Rk              Player WAR/pos
            1        Mickey Mantle    54.2
            2            Al Kaline    51.8
            3      Brooks Robinson    48.8
            4     Harmon Killebrew    44.4
            5     Carl Yastrzemski    43.5
            6            Norm Cash    40.5
            7          Bob Allison    34.4
            8       Rocky Colavito    33.2
            9          Roger Maris    31.6
            10         Jim Fregosi    30.6
            Team Career Records :
            3rd in HRs, ISO (1000 game min.)
            6th in Walks, OPS+ (1000 game min.)
            7th in SLG (1000 game min.)
            9th in Extra Base Hits
            10th in RBIs, WAR Runs Batting


            • #7
              I posted the fact Knoblauch was 11th in career WAR among position players for the franchise in red in his post.

              However, my main focus is Bob Allison, who had even more finishes in the top 20 career totals for position players of the franchise than detailed above:

              13th in WAR;
              13th in games played;
              14th in plate appearances;
              15th in runs scored;
              19th in hits;
              12th in total bases;
              15th in times on base;
              10th in OPS+; and
              13th in runs created.
              Last edited by jalbright; 04-10-2012, 03:09 PM.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


              • #8
                Clyde Milan did well in the career leaderboard for the franchise:

                14th in WAR;
                4th in games played;
                4th in plate appearances;
                6th in runs scored;
                4th in hits;
                9th in total base;
                9th in walks;
                1st in steals and
                11th in runs created.

                No second is needed as he got over 50% of the vote (indeed, he was at 5 out of 7, so had he appeared on one more ballot, he'd have made it already).
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


                • #9
                  Buddy Lewis
                  Lost 3 years during WWII

                  2x All Star (1938,1947) [starting both times, and at 2 diff. positions, 3B & RF]

                  Stats :
                  OPS+ 111
                  Hits - 1563

                  Twins team records :
                  7th in Triples
                  12th in Walks
                  13th in Hits
                  14th in Runs

                  Led AL in :
                  Defensive WAR (1936)
                  Singles (1937)
                  Assists at 3B (1938)
                  Range Factor/Game at 3B (1938)
                  Double Plays at 3B (1938)
                  Triples (1939)
                  Assists at RF (1940,1941,1946,1947)
                  Range Factor/Game at RF (1941,1946)
                  Putouts at RF (1946)

                  Made 15 hits in four consecutive games, July 25,26,27 and 28 1937.
                  Only Ty Cobb had more career hits at the age of 24 than Lewis.


                  • #10
                    Ron Gardenhire
                    Franchise managerial records :
                    1st in Games > .500
                    3rd in Games, Wins

                    6 Divisional pennants in 10 full seasons.

                    2009 Chuck Tanner Major League Baseball Manager of the Year Award

                    2010 AL Manager of the Year

                    2002 AL Manager of the Year - 3rd
                    2003 AL Manager of the Year - 2nd
                    2004 AL Manager of the Year - 2nd
                    2006 AL Manager of the Year - 2nd
                    2008 AL Manager of the Year - 2nd
                    2009 AL Manager of the Year - 2nd
                    2010 AL Manager of the Year - 1st

                    from Wikipedia :
                    For three years after he retired (1988–90), he was a manager in the Minnesota farm system, leading teams in the Class A Midwest League and Class AA Southern League to one second- and two first-place finishes. In 1991, Gardenhire became the Twins' third base coach and held that post for 11 full seasons, including the team's 1991 World Series championship.

                    His five runner-up finishes are tied with Tony La Russa, who won the award outright an additional four times.

                    Gardenhire also played for the Twins AAA club in 1987.


                    • #11
                      Sam Mele
                      Franchise managerial records :
                      2nd in Games > .500
                      5th in Games, Wins

                      Managed the franchise to the WS for 1st time as the "Twins".

                      He had been a coach for the Senators in 1959 and 1960.

                      He also played for the Washington Senators in 4 seasons.
                      In 1951, he led the AL in Doubles.


                      • #12
                        Calvin Griffith
                        from Wikipedia :
                        Majority owner and de facto general manager of the Washington Senators/Minnesota Twins franchise of the American League from 1955–1984.

                        The senior Griffith owned the Senators until his death in 1955; upon his death, the team passed into the hands of Calvin, who had worked his way up through a variety of positions with the team, starting as a batboy, minor league player and manager (serving a brief stint under Joe Engel and the Chattanooga Lookouts at Engel Stadium), and front-office executive.

                        A bronze statue of Griffith sits outside Target Field in Minneapolis.

                        Calvin Griffith was inducted into the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame in 2010.


                        • #13
                          Gardenhire is a definite yes for me, Calvin Griffith is someone I regard as the southbound end of a northbound brontosaurus and will not vote for, and Sam Mele strikes me as a maybe.
                          Last edited by jalbright; 04-12-2012, 01:51 PM.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.


                          • #14
                            Herb Carneal
                            from Wikipedia :
                            From 1962 through 2006, he was a play-by-play voice of Minnesota Twins radio broadcasts, becoming the lead announcer in 1967.

                            Carneal received the Ford C. Frick Award from the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1996, and was inducted into the Pavek Museum of Broadcasting's Hall of Fame in 2004.

                            Herb Carneal died on April 1, 2007 of congestive heart failure. The Twins dedicated their 2007 season to Carneal, wearing patches on their sleeves in his honor.


                            • #15
                              Arch McDonald
                              from Wikipedia :
                              Served as the voice of Major League Baseball's Washington Senators from 1934 to 1956.

                              During the early 1930s, he broadcast for the Chattanooga Lookouts, and won the first The Sporting News "Announcer of the Year" award in 1932—a remarkable achievement, considering that the Lookouts were a Class A team. Senators owner Clark Griffith jumped him straight to the big club in 1934, and he immediately became a hit. He was one of the first to use "ducks on the pond" as a term for players on base, and also sung an old country tune, "They Cut Down the Pine Tree," after a big Senators play. He was best known, however, for recreations of road games—a common practice in the 1930s, when line charges were too expensive for live road coverage.

                              He was named "Announcer of the Year" again in 1942.

                              Ford Frick Award in 1999.