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  • Marlins BBF HOF second chance round

    This will be one of three second chance round elections this week. What we'll do for the second chance election is a Yes/No vote requiring the greater of 6 or 75% of the votes to induct. The election will be limited to the listed nominees. The elections will only be open for a week--but there will be at least three or four days for discussion and new nominations. You can abstain from an entire ballot (player or contributor), but if you vote in that portion of the ballot, only the guys you expressly vote yes for get credit for a positive vote. The others in that section of the ballot will be considered to have gotten a "no" vote. There will be no limits on how many nominees you can vote for . I will also provide the nomination discussions for the nominees. The deadline for suggesting nominees is twelve hours before the election begins.


    In this case, the election will not begin until Saturday, April 21 at 7 am EDT, and will end at 7 am EDT April 28. Nominations close 12 hours before the election begins, or April 20 at 7 pm EDT. Ballots not cast within the stated election time frame will not count.


    The Marlins have the following already inducted:

    Inducted Players : none

    Inducted Contributors : none

    The list of nominees at present is:

    Players
    Luis Castillo
    Jeff Conine
    Cliff Floyd
    Charles Johnson
    Mike Lowell
    Gary Sheffield

    Contributors
    Jack McKeon
    Wayne Huzienga
    Felo Ramirez
    Dave Van Horne
    Last edited by jalbright; 04-18-2012, 05:40 PM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    dgarza provided this case for Charles Johnson for the Marlin HOF. He's on the list without a second.

    Charles Johnson
    1994-1998,2001-2002
    2x All Star (1997,2001)
    4 straight Gold Gloves (1995,1996,1997,1998). Won his 1st in his Rookie Year.
    Johnson set a Major League record in 1997 by playing in 123 games without committing a single error.
    His .993 career fielding percentage ranks 16th all-time among major league catchers.

    Led NL in :
    Assists as C (1995)
    Caught Stealing (1997)
    Fielding % as C (1996,1997)
    Total Zone Runs as C (1995,1996,1997,1998)

    During his career, Johnson was 2nd only to Ivan Rodriguez in throwing out runners.

    Leads all Marlins in WAR Runs Fielding :
    Code:
                                              
    Rk                 Player Rfield From   To
    1         Charles Johnson     53 1994 2002
    2             Mark Kotsay     51 1997 2000
    3             Jeff Conine     39 1993 2005
    4           Luis Castillo     36 1996 2005
    5       Giancarlo Stanton     35 2010 2012
    Leads all NL Catchers in the 90s in WAR Runs Fielding :
    Code:
                                             
    Rk                Player Rfield From   To
    1        Charles Johnson     53 1994 1998
    2           Tom Pagnozzi     52 1990 1998
    3         Kirt Manwaring     46 1990 1999
    4           Rick Wilkins     40 1991 1999
    5            Brad Ausmus     28 1993 1998
    2nd of NL Catchers from 1980-2002 in WAR Runs Fielding :
    Code:
                                             
    Rk                Player Rfield From   To
    1            Gary Carter     72 1980 1992
    2        Charles Johnson     60 1994 2002
    3           Tom Pagnozzi     50 1987 1998
    4              Tony Pena     49 1980 1997
    5         Kirt Manwaring     47 1987 1999
    6th of NL Catchers from 1876-2002 in WAR Runs Fielding :
    Code:
                                            
    Rk               Player Rfield From   To
    1       Charlie Bennett    142 1878 1893
    2           Gary Carter    112 1974 1992
    3          Johnny Bench     75 1967 1983
    4          Del Crandall     70 1949 1965
    5          Steve Yeager     68 1972 1985
    6       Charles Johnson     60 1994 2002
    7        Clay Dalrymple     54 1960 1968
    8         Jack Clements     52 1884 1900
    9          Tom Pagnozzi     50 1987 1998
    10            Tony Pena     49 1980 1997
    In the 1997 World Series, Johnson batted .357/.379/.464/.844 with 10 Hits, 4 Runs, 1 HR, 3 RBIs.
    In Game 7, Bottom of the 9th, he singled to put a runner in scoring position. The runner eventually scored to tie the game. The Marlins went on to with the Series in the 11th.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      dgarza posted this case for Mike Lowell of the Marlins:

      Originally posted by dgarza View Post
      Mike Lowell
      3x All Star (2002,2003,2004)
      2005 NL 3B Gold Glove
      2003 NL 3B Silver Slugger
      1999 Tony Conigliaro Award

      Marlin Team Career Records :
      1st in Doubles, RBIs, Sac. Flies, Extra Base Hits
      2nd in HRs, Total Bases
      3rd in Games, PAs, ABs, Runs Produced

      Marlins WAR, 1999-2005 :
      Code:
                                                    
      Rk                Player     WAR/pos From   To
      1          Luis Castillo        20.7 1999 2005
      2            Mike Lowell        16.4 1999 2005
      3            Cliff Floyd        13.7 1999 2002
      4             Derrek Lee         8.8 1999 2003
      5         Miguel Cabrera         8.2 2003 2005
      In the 3 All Star games played as a Marlin, Lowell was :
      .500/.500/.667/1.167
      At Bats - 6
      Runs - 1
      Hits - 3
      Doubles - 1

      Led League in :
      Putouts at 3B (2001,2002)
      Fielding % at 3B (1999,2003,2005)
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        dgarza added this case for Jeff Conine of the Marlins:

        Jeff Conine
        Jeff Conine was really the first Marlins player of any significance. You might even call him their first consistent star. (Sheffield was good, but it took him several year to pull together a complete season for Florida).
        He played all 162 games their inaugural season. That season, he fared the best out of the Marlins in award honors, placing 3rd in the NL ROY hunt.
        Conine was the first Marlins position player to garner MVP votes, which he did in 1994. And again in 1995.

        2x All Star (1994,1995)
        In the 1995 ASG, Conine hit a pinch hit solo HR in the 8th to break up a 2-2 tie. He was named the MVP of the ASG.

        Conine was a very valuable part of Florida's 2 WS championship teams.
        Is postseason line is .304/.365/.382/.748 - with 31 Hits, 11 Walks, and 8 RBIs
        In the 2003 NLCS, he batted .458/.500/.708/1.208 - including 1 Double, 1 Triple, and 1 HR.

        Conine has the distinction of being the only player to appear in the opener of the Marlins' inaugural season, the 1997 World Series Marlins' championship team, and the 2003 World Series Marlins' championship team.

        Conine also has on Florida Marlins Fox Sports Net telecasts, been part of the Marlins front office as an assistant, and has been on Marlins pre-game and post-game shows.

        Popularity? In 2008, the Florida Marlins signed Conine to a one-day contract to honor him and to allow him to retire as a Marlin.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

        Comment


        • #5
          dgarza offers what I will agree is about as good a case as can be made for someone for the Marlins' HOF. That said, I'm still of the opinion there aren't any retired Marlin players worthy of that honor. That said, Castillo gets a shot in the Marlin second chance election.

          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
          Case for...

          Luis Castillo
          3x AS (2002, 2003, 2005)
          3 straight Gold Gloves (2003, 2004, 2005)
          Led NL in Stolen Bases (2000, 2002) and Singles (2000, 2002)
          Led Marlins in WAR (2000, 2003)

          Castillo was part of both Marlins' World Series championship teams.
          In 2003, he helped get them there by hitting a foul ball to Steve Bartman.

          35 game hitting streak in 2002.

          Holds team record for most Games, At Bats, Plate Appearances, Runs, Hits, Triples, Walks, Stolen Bases, Sac Hits, Times on Base.
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

          Comment


          • #6
            Cliff Floyd
            16.8 WAR/pos (4th in franchise history)
            16.4 oWAR (6th)
            0.294 BA (5th)
            0.374 OBP (4th)
            0.523 SLG (3rd)
            0.898 OPS (3rd)
            637 G (9th)
            2247 AB (9th)
            2569 PA (9th)
            392 R (8th)
            661 H (9th)
            1176 TB (9th)
            167 2B (7th)
            110 HR (8th)
            409 RBI (7th)
            268 BB (9th)
            90 SB (5th)
            375 1B (10th)
            134 OPS+ (3rd)
            286 XBH (8th)
            961 TOB (10th)
            73.17 SB% (5th)
            5.1 AB/SO (13th)
            20.4 AB/HR (5th)
            *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

            Comment


            • #7
              Jack McKeon (for contributor)
              538 games managed (2nd in franchise history)
              281 wins (1st)
              0.522 W-L% (1st)
              1 WS win (2003)
              *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

              Comment


              • #8
                Wayne Huizenga
                Huizenga brought Florida its 1st MLB team and its 1st World Series title (in the team's 5th year of existence).

                Comment


                • #9
                  Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                  Wayne Huizenga
                  Huizenga brought Florida its 1st MLB team and its 1st World Series title (in the team's 5th year of existence).
                  And promptly tore it apart because he wasn't going to get the locals to pay for the new stadium he wanted. Pass.

                  The above is about how I handle his case with my vote. However, he's been properly nominated and will be put before the voters.
                  Last edited by jalbright; 04-16-2012, 02:00 PM.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Felo Ramirez
                    In 1993, Ramirez joined the Florida Marlins as their Spanish language announcer.

                    Ford Frick Award in 2001.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Dave Van Horne
                      Radio announcer for the Marlins since 2001.

                      Van Horne is the 2011 recipient of the Ford C. Frick Award.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Gary Sheffield
                        .288/.426/.543
                        156 OPS+
                        HRs - 122
                        RBIs - 380
                        Stolen Bases - 74

                        2x All Star (1993 [started],1996)
                        .500/.500/1.250

                        Silver Slugger (1996)

                        1993 ESPY- Breakthrough Athlete

                        Post-Season :
                        .320/.521/.540/1.061
                        Runs - 13
                        Hits - 16
                        HRs - 3
                        RBIs - 7
                        Walks - 20

                        Sheffield holds several Marlins records :
                        Career :
                        1st in OBP (500 game min.), SLG (500 game min.), OPS+ (500 game min.), ISO (500 game min.), Batting Wins
                        Seasonal :
                        1st in HRs, Walks, OBP (100 game min.), SLG (100 game min.), OPS+ (100 game min.), ISO (100 game min.), Runs Created, Times on Base, WAR Runs Batting, Batting Runs, Batting Wins

                        Led League in :
                        OBP (1996)
                        OPS+ (1996)
                        Batting Runs (1996)
                        Batting Wins (1996)

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Nominations are now closed. The election begins tomorrow at 7 am EDT.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            This election is now open.

                            Players
                            Luis Castillo-N
                            Jeff Conine-N
                            Cliff Floyd-N
                            Charles Johnson-N
                            Mike Lowell-N
                            Gary Sheffield-N

                            Contributors
                            Jack McKeon-N
                            Wayne Huzienga-N
                            Felo Ramirez-N
                            Dave Van Horne -N

                            I voted for a blank ballot the first time, and I haven't been persuaded to change that. If McKeon, Floyd, or Castillo will not make it without my vote but would with it, I will look at them again. Otherwise, I expect my ballot to remain as is.
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Players
                              Luis Castillo - Y
                              Jeff Conine - Y
                              Cliff Floyd - Y
                              Charles Johnson - Y
                              Mike Lowell - Y
                              Gary Sheffield - Y

                              Contributors
                              Jack McKeon - Y
                              Wayne Huzienga - N
                              Felo Ramirez - N
                              Dave Van Horne - N
                              *** Submit your personal HOF as your ballot for the Single Ballot BBF Hall of Fame! *** Also: Buck the Fraves!

                              Comment

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