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Orioles BBF franchise HOF second chance round

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  • #16
    Jerry Hoffberger

    My final nomination as a contributor... Hoffberger was the man at the top from the inception of the Orioles through 1979. He began as a majority owner before taking full ownership in 1965. After suffering through a few growing pains, the team broke through in 1960, winning 89 games and finishing second in their Division. From there, the run was on. From 1960 until the end of his tenure as owner, a full two decades, the team finished below .500 twice. Hoffberger sold his team to Edward Bennett Williams after the 1979 season, which for older fans in Baltimore signifies the beginning of the end of the dynasty.
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    • #17
      JW's contributor nominees have been added to the list of candidates for this second chance election.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by J W View Post
        Jerry Hoffberger

        My final nomination as a contributor... Hoffberger was the man at the top from the inception of the Orioles through 1979. He began as a majority owner before taking full ownership in 1965. After suffering through a few growing pains, the team broke through in 1960, winning 89 games and finishing second in their Division. From there, the run was on. From 1960 until the end of his tenure as owner, a full two decades, the team finished below .500 twice. Hoffberger sold his team to Edward Bennett Williams after the 1979 season, which for older fans in Baltimore signifies the beginning of the end of the dynasty.
        My question in terms of getting my vote is this: how much was Hoffberger responsible for he success of the team on the field? Was he the one who hired Paul Richards or some of the other nominees? If he's just a money guy who moved the team to Baltimore, I'm not likely to vote for him.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jalbright View Post
          My question in terms of getting my vote is this: how much was Hoffberger responsible for he success of the team on the field? Was he the one who hired Paul Richards or some of the other nominees? If he's just a money guy who moved the team to Baltimore, I'm not likely to vote for him.
          Hoffberger also helped to convince the Senators's Clark Griffith, who was opposed to the Baltimore move, to allow the St. Louis Browns' move to Baltimore by making his National Bohemian beer a Senators sponsor.

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          • #20
            Rafael Palmeiro
            .284/.366/.520
            127 OPS+
            Hits - 1071
            HRs - 223
            RBIs - 701
            Stolen Bases - 38 for 52 - 73.1%

            All Star (1998) - went 2 for 2 in the Game
            2x Gold Glove (1997,1998)
            Silver Slugger (1998)

            Team Career Records :
            3rd in SLG (500 game min.), ISO (500 game min.)
            5th in HRs
            6th in OPS+ (1000 game min.)
            8th in WAR Runs Batting
            11th in RBIs

            4 30-HR seasons :
            Code:
                                                                 
            Rk                   Yrs From   To                Age
            1       Eddie Murray   5 1980 1987 24-31 Ind. Seasons
            2    Rafael Palmeiro   4 1995 1998 30-33 Ind. Seasons
            3        Boog Powell   4 1964 1970 22-28 Ind. Seasons
            4     Frank Robinson   3 1966 1969 30-33 Ind. Seasons
            5        Jim Gentile   2 1961 1962 27-28 Ind. Seasons
            4 100-RBI seasons :
            Code:
                                                                    
            Rk                      Yrs From   To                Age
            1          Eddie Murray   5 1980 1985 24-29 Ind. Seasons
            2       Rafael Palmeiro   4 1995 1998 30-33 Ind. Seasons
            3            Cal Ripken   4 1983 1996 22-35 Ind. Seasons
            4         George Sisler   4 1920 1925 27-32 Ind. Seasons
            5           Boog Powell   3 1966 1970 24-28 Ind. Seasons
            6          Goose Goslin   3 1930 1932 29-31 Ind. Seasons
            7             Red Kress   3 1929 1931 24-26 Ind. Seasons
            8          Ken Williams   3 1921 1925 31-35 Ind. Seasons
            4 .500-SLG seasons (100 game min.) :
            Code:
                                                                    
            Rk                      Yrs From   To                Age
            1          Ken Williams   7 1921 1927 31-37 Ind. Seasons
            2          Eddie Murray   5 1980 1985 24-29 Ind. Seasons
            3        Frank Robinson   5 1966 1971 30-35 Ind. Seasons
            4       Rafael Palmeiro   4 1994 1998 29-33 Ind. Seasons
            5           Boog Powell   4 1964 1970 22-28 Ind. Seasons
            6         George Sisler   4 1919 1922 26-29 Ind. Seasons
            7         Harold Baines   3 1993 1999 34-40 Ind. Seasons
            8            Cal Ripken   3 1983 1991 22-30 Ind. Seasons
            9         Harlond Clift   3 1936 1938 23-25 Ind. Seasons
            10   Baby Doll Jacobson   3 1920 1925 29-34 Ind. Seasons
            Led League in "
            Assists at 1B (1995,1996,1998)
            Total Zone Runs at 1B (1998)
            Range Factor/9 at 1B (1998)
            Range Factor/Game at 1B (1998)
            Last edited by dgarza; 04-16-2012, 01:54 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by J W View Post
              Paul Richards

              Richards should certainly be nominated as he was the original architect of the Orioles, serving as both general manager and field manager for the team in their first seven years since moving from Cleveland. He moved on to the fledgeling Colt 45s after the 1961 season. Under Richards' watch, the Orioles gathered and developed much of the talent that blossomed in the 1960s, concentrating on strong pitching and defense.
              I agree with the nomination of Paul Richards, but the team came from Saint Louis, not Cleveland.

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              • #22
                Brain fart. Funny how both teams that came to Baltimore were named the Browns though.

                Regarding Hoffberger... I think ultimately he was a money man; however, the money came from a few blocks away at the National Bohemian beer company and the environment that Hoffberger created at both his factory and at Memorial Stadium fostered success for the team. Hoffberger knew everybody in the organization by name and they knew him. Harry Dalton is the man synonymous with Hoffberger, who hired him one year after taking over as principal owner in '65. Pretty much every big star who played for the Orioles in the 60s-70s showed up at his funeral in 1999.

                I'll have a few player nominations later if no one else offers them.
                Last edited by J W; 04-17-2012, 02:36 AM.
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                • #23
                  Hoyt Wilhelm
                  6x All Star
                  twice in 1959
                  twice in 1961
                  twice in 1962

                  As a Starter, Led League :
                  pWAR (1959)
                  ERA (1959)
                  ERA+ (1959)

                  Wilhelm's 173 ERA+ in 1959 is the highest in team's history.
                  His 7.4 pWAR in 1959 is the 3rd best in team's history.

                  Team Career Records :
                  1st in ERA+ (500 IP min.)
                  Code:
                                              
                  Rk               Player ERA+
                  1          Hoyt Wilhelm  156
                  2            Stu Miller  145
                  3          Mike Mussina  130
                  4           Billy ODell  128
                  5         Urban Shocker  127
                  2nd in Oppnt. OPS+ (500 IP min.) [limited historical data]
                  3rd in H/9 (500 IP min.)
                  5th in WHIP (500 IP min.)
                  7th in K/9 (500 IP min.)
                  9th in K/BB (500 IP min.)

                  No Hitter in Sept. 1958.

                  Inducted into the Hall of Fame by BBWAA as Player in 1985

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                  • #24
                    I know the 1890's Orioles aren't in any way the same franchise but I'm just curious if guys like Keeler, Jennings, McGraw, etc. are included in the Orioles hall?
                    "No matter how great you were once upon a time — the years go by, and men forget,” - W. A. Phelon in Baseball Magazine in 1915. “Ross Barnes, forty years ago, was as great as Cobb or Wagner ever dared to be. Had scores been kept then as now, he would have seemed incomparably marvelous.”

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by bluesky5 View Post
                      I know the 1890's Orioles aren't in any way the same franchise but I'm just curious if guys like Keeler, Jennings, McGraw, etc. are included in the Orioles hall?
                      Those guys aren't considered part of the Browns/Orioles group in this project. However, they are part of a group in this project, the Defunct NL teams. Really, except for international guys (Japan, Mexico, Cuba, etc) and minor leagues, we're not leaving any league/teams with more than a two year history out in the cold. The Federal League, Union Association, and Players League are all orphans--but that's it.
                      Last edited by jalbright; 04-17-2012, 05:32 PM.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #26
                        Roberto Alomar
                        .312/.382/.480
                        122 OPS+

                        3 straight ASG
                        Starter in 1996,1997,1998
                        .444/.500/.778/1.278
                        1998 ASG MVP

                        2x Gold Glove
                        (1996,1998)

                        Silver Slugger (1996)

                        Franchise 2B Career Records :
                        Highest AVG, OBP, & SLG (300 game min.)

                        Franchise 2B Seasonal records :
                        Highest AVG, OBP, SLG, & WAR Runs Batting (100 game min.)

                        Led League in :
                        Assists at 2B (1998)

                        Inducted into the Hall of Fame by BBWAA as Player in 2011.

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                        • #27
                          Mike Cuellar
                          Part of that famous late 60s/70s Oriole starting rotation.

                          3x All Star (1970,1971,1974)

                          1969 AL Cy Award

                          Postseason:
                          85.1 IP
                          2.85 ERA
                          1.137 WHIP
                          56 Ks

                          Became the first player to hit a grand slam in any League Championship Series in 1970 against the Minnesota Twins. He remains the only pitcher to hit a grand slam in any League Championship Series.

                          In the 1969 World Series, his ERA was 1.13 in 2 starts.

                          Won 20 games 4 times :
                          Code:
                                                                               
                          Rk                   Yrs From   To                Age
                          1         Jim Palmer   8 1970 1978 24-32 Ind. Seasons
                          2       Mike Cuellar   4 1969 1974 32-37 Ind. Seasons
                          3       Dave McNally   4 1968 1971 25-28 Ind. Seasons
                          4      Urban Shocker   4 1920 1923 29-32 Ind. Seasons
                          Won 18 games 6 times [straight] :
                          Code:
                                                                               
                          Rk                   Yrs From   To                Age
                          1         Jim Palmer   8 1970 1978 24-32 Ind. Seasons
                          2       Mike Cuellar   6 1969 1974 32-37 Ind. Seasons
                          3       Mike Mussina   4 1992 1999 23-30 Ind. Seasons
                          4       Dave McNally   4 1968 1971 25-28 Ind. Seasons
                          5      Urban Shocker   4 1920 1923 29-32 Ind. Seasons
                          Team Career Records :
                          3rd in Shutouts
                          4th in % (500 IP min.)
                          5th in Strikeouts

                          Led League in :
                          Wins (1970)
                          Winning % (1970,1974)
                          Complete Games (1970)

                          From 1969-1976 in the AL :
                          3rd in Wins, Shutouts
                          4th in Complete Games
                          7th in % (500 IP min.)

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                          • #28
                            Davey Johnson

                            Years with team: 1965-1972
                            Main position(s): 2B
                            Plate Appearances: 3929
                            Statistics with team: 904 hits, .259/.330/.378, 104 OPS+, 17.6 WAR
                            Honors with team: 3 gold gloves, 3 all star appearances

                            Johnson has a case, along with Bobby Grich, Robby Alomar and Brian Roberts, to be called best second baseman in franchise history. He started on the team for their first four World Series appearances (1966, 1969, 1970, 1971)... he put up huge numbers in the 1970 postseason, batting .364 (1.371 OPS) in three against the Twins and .313 (.914 OPS) in five games against the Big Red Machine. His best personal season came one year after he was traded to Atlanta. Later in life, he led the Orioles as manager to their last two postseason appearances (1996-1997) including the '97 season where they led the AL East wire-to-wire and lost the ALCS to the Indians in a nerve-wracking 1-0 game in extra innings.
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                            • #29
                              Doug DeCinces

                              Years with team: 1972-1981
                              Main position(s): 3B
                              Plate Appearances: 3257
                              Statistics with team: 738 hits, .253/.323/.428, 112 OPS+, 21.3 WAR
                              Honors with team:

                              Doug DeCinces had the (mis)fortune to be "the guy that followed Brooks Robinson". That said, he still put up admirable numbers for the team through the 1970s. His big season came in 1978 where he hit 28 home runs and put up a 149 OPS+. After the 1981 season he was traded to the California Angels for Dan Ford, and like Johnson put up his career season finishing 3rd in '82 MVP voting.
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                              • #30
                                Ned Garver

                                Years with team: 1948-1952
                                Main position(s): SP
                                Batters Faced: 4639
                                Statistics with team: 60-68, 3.62 ERA, 125 ERA+, 1.423 WHIP, 24.6 WAR
                                Honors with team: 1 all star appearance, MVP runner-up in 1951

                                Another "Hall of Very Good" type player who started his big-league career with the franchise. Garver would likely have won the AL Cy Young Award in 1951, a season where he won 20 games and notably batted .305 with a 109 OPS+ as a pitcher. Garver was part of an eight player trade that sent him to the Detroit Tigers near the end of the 1952 season.
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