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  • Ranking the HoF Player: 176-180

    Project Summary: To rank the worthiness of the players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame from most worthy to least worthy.

    Election Format: Voters are to submit ballots ranking their 10 most worthy remaining Hall of Fame players in order of worthiness. Each first place vote will be worth 10 points, with each successive rank being worth one point less than the previous rank, ending in a tenth place vote being worth 1 point. Players will also receive one additional point for each ballot they are listed on and players must be listed on at least three ballots in order to be elected. The five players with the highest support at the end of each election will be elected in the order of their support. Elections will last approximately seven days.
    - Tiebreakers: Tiebreakers at the end of an election will be decided in the following order: 1) Total ballot appearances in that election; 2) Total points in that election irrespective of number of ballots; 3) Number of first place votes in that election; 4) Average ranking on ballots appeared on in that election. Players that lose a tiebreaker for the fifth spot in an election will be voted in as the sixth player in that election, with the next election to elect just four players.

    Factors to Consider: As this project focuses on players inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame, subjective qualities beyond just statistics should be taken into consideration in determining a player's relative worthiness. In that vein, the voting guidelines that the BBWAA is to follow in actual National Baseball Hall of Fame elections, may be instructive (though not necessarily determinative in this project): "Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

    Player Eligibility: Only players that have been elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame as players are eligible, including Negro League players and 19th Century players. A complete list of individuals that have been inducted as players is available at the National Baseball Hall of Fame's website, and is recreated below along with each player's corresponding BBF Rank as determined by this project:

    Results
    1) Babe Ruth
    2) Willie Mays
    3) Ty Cobb
    4) Ted Williams
    5) Hank Aaron
    6) Honus Wagner
    7) Walter Johnson
    8) Lou Gehrig
    9) Cy Young
    10) Stan Musial
    11) Mickey Mantle
    12) Rogers Hornsby
    13) Jackie Robinson
    14) Tris Speaker
    15) Josh Gibson
    16) Eddie Collins
    17) Satchel Paige
    18) Grover Alexander
    19) Frank Robinson
    20) Joe DiMaggio
    21) Oscar Charleston
    22) Mike Schmidt
    23) Lefty Grove
    24) Tom Seaver
    25) Cap Anson
    26) Christy Mathewson
    27) Rickey Henderson
    28) Jimmie Foxx
    29) Nap Lajoie
    30) Joe Morgan
    31) Johnny Bench
    32) Mel Ott
    33) Warren Spahn
    34) Yogi Berra
    35) Cal Ripken
    36) George Brett
    37) Pop Lloyd
    38) Kid Nichols
    39) Eddie Mathews
    40) Bob Feller
    41) Roberto Clemente
    42) Bob Gibson
    43) Joe Williams
    44) Carl Yastrzemski
    45) Hank Greenberg
    46) Dan Brouthers
    47) Steve Carlton
    48) Sandy Koufax
    49) Ed Delahanty
    50) Johnny Mize
    51) Al Kaline
    52) Turkey Stearnes
    53) Wade Boggs
    54) Charlie Gehringer
    55) Mickey Cochrane
    56) Reggie Jackson
    57) Arky Vaughan
    58) Roger Connor
    59) Nolan Ryan
    ---Top 25% Cutoff---
    60) Robin Yount
    61) Rod Carew
    62) Tony Gwynn
    63) Carl Hubbell
    64) Roy Campanella
    65) Ernie Banks
    66) Sam Crawford
    67) Duke Snider
    68) George Davis
    69) King Kelly
    70) John Ward
    71) Eddie Murray
    72) Bullet Rogan
    73) Harmon Killebrew
    74) Buck Ewing
    75) Billy Hamilton
    76) Gaylord Perry
    77) Carlton Fisk
    78) Paul Waner
    79) Juan Marichal
    80) Al Simmons
    81) John Clarkson
    82) Martin Dihigo
    83) Robin Roberts
    84) Willie McCovey
    85) Frankie Frisch
    86) Phil Niekro
    87) Eddie Plank
    88) Gary Carter
    89) Whitey Ford
    90) Tim Keefe
    91) Mordecai Brown
    92) Luke Appling
    93) Brooks Robinson
    94) Ferguson Jenkins
    95) Willie Stargell
    96) Frank Baker
    97) Jim Palmer
    98) Joe Cronin
    99) Bill Dickey
    100) Jesse Burkett
    101) Harry Heilmann
    102) Fred Clarke
    103) Buck Leonard
    104) Hoyt Wilhelm
    105) Ed Walsh
    106) Bert Blyleven
    107) Barry Larkin
    108) Gabby Hartnett
    109) Dave Winfield
    110) George Sisler
    111) Mule Suttles
    112) Joe Medwick
    113) Jim O'Rourke
    114) Jud Wilson
    115) Ozzie Smith
    116) Paul Molitor
    117) Charles Radbourn
    118) Monte Irvin
    ---Top 50% Cutoff---
    119) Ryne Sandberg
    120) Roberto Alomar
    121) Ron Santo
    122) Billy Williams
    123) Willie Keeler
    124) Willie Wells
    125) Cristobal Torriente
    126) Dennis Eckersley
    127) Zack Wheat
    128) Larry Doby
    129) Amos Rusie
    130) Goose Goslin
    131) Bill Terry
    132) Don Drysdale
    133) Dizzy Dean
    134) Lou Brock
    135) Rube Waddell
    136) Cool Papa Bell
    137) Hal Newhouser
    138) Joe Gordon
    139) Kirby Puckett
    140) Lou Boudreau
    141) Ralph Kiner
    142) Rich Gossage
    143) Dazzy Vance
    144) Pee Wee Reese
    145) Sam Thompson
    146) Pud Galvin
    147) Billy Herman
    148) Biz Mackey
    149) Louis Santop
    150) Early Wynn
    151) Stan Coveleski
    152) Edd Roush
    153) Don Sutton
    154) Ted Lyons
    155) Frank Chance
    156) Max Carey
    157) Jimmy Collins
    158) Earl Averill
    159) Richie Ashburn
    160) Andre Dawson
    161) Bobby Doerr
    162) Pie Traynor
    163) Elmer Flick
    164) Joe McGinnity
    165) Joe Kelley
    166) Roger Bresnahan
    167) Jim Bunning
    168) Ray Brown
    169) Red Ruffing
    170) Bid McPhee
    171) Bobby Wallace
    172) Orlando Cepeda
    173) Hugh Jennings
    174) Willard Brown
    175) Enos Slaughter

    Master List
    Code:
    Player				BBF Rank
    Hank Aaron			5
    Grover Alexander		18
    Roberto Alomar			120
    Cap Anson			25
    Luis Aparicio
    Luke Appling			92
    Richie Ashburn			159
    Earl Averill			158
    Frank Baker			96
    Dave Bancroft
    Ernie Banks			65
    Jake Beckley
    Cool Papa Bell			136
    Johnny Bench			31
    Chief Bender
    Yogi Berra			34
    Bert Blyleven			106
    Wade Boggs			53
    Jim Bottomley
    Lou Boudreau			140
    Roger Bresnahan			166
    George Brett			36
    Lou Brock			134
    Dan Brouthers			46
    Mordecai Brown			91
    Ray Brown			168
    Willard Brown			174
    Jim Bunning			167
    Jesse Burkett			100
    Roy Campanella			64
    Rod Carew			61
    Max Carey			156
    Steve Carlton			47
    Gary Carter			88
    Orlando Cepeda			172
    Frank Chance			155
    Oscar Charleston		21
    Jack Chesbro
    Fred Clarke			102
    John Clarkson			81
    Roberto Clemente		41
    Ty Cobb				3
    Mickey Cochrane			55
    Eddie Collins			16
    Jimmy Collins			157
    Earle Combs
    Roger Connor			58
    Andy Cooper
    Stan Coveleski			151
    Sam Crawford			66
    Joe Cronin			98
    Kiki Cuyler
    Ray Dandridge
    George Davis			68
    Andre Dawson			160
    Leon Day
    Dizzy Dean			133
    Ed Delahanty			49
    Bill Dickey			99
    Martin Dihigo			82
    Joe DiMaggio			20
    Larry Doby			128
    Bobby Doerr			161
    Don Drysdale			132
    Hugh Duffy
    Dennis Eckersley		126
    Johnny Evers
    Buck Ewing			74
    Red Faber
    Bob Feller			40
    Rick Ferrell
    Rollie Fingers
    Carlton Fisk			77
    Elmer Flick			163
    Whitey Ford			89
    Bill Foster
    Nellie Fox
    Jimmie Foxx			28
    Frankie Frisch			85
    Pud Galvin			146
    Lou Gehrig			8
    Charlie Gehringer		54
    Bob Gibson			42
    Josh Gibson			15
    Lefty Gomez
    Joe Gordon			138
    Goose Goslin			130
    Rich Gossage			142
    Frank Grant
    Hank Greenberg			45
    Burleigh Grimes
    Lefty Grove			23
    Tony Gwynn			62
    Chick Hafey
    Jesse Haines
    Billy Hamilton			75
    Gabby Hartnett			108
    Harry Heilmann			101
    Rickey Henderson		27
    Billy Herman			147
    Pete Hill
    Harry Hooper
    Rogers Hornsby			12
    Waite Hoyt
    Carl Hubbell			63
    Catfish Hunter
    Monte Irvin			118
    Reggie Jackson			56
    Travis Jackson	
    Ferguson Jenkins		94
    Hugh Jennings			173
    Judy Johnson
    Walter Johnson			7
    Addie Joss
    Al Kaline			51
    Tim Keefe			90
    Willie Keeler			123
    George Kell
    Joe Kelley			165
    George Kelly
    King Kelly			69
    Harmon Killebrew		73
    Ralph Kiner			141
    Chuck Klein
    Sandy Koufax			48
    Nap Lajoie			29
    Barry Larkin			107
    Tony Lazzeri
    Bob Lemon
    Buck Leonard			103
    Freddie Lindstrom
    Pop Lloyd			37
    Ernie Lombardi
    Ted Lyons			154
    Biz Mackey			148
    Mickey Mantle			11
    Heinie Manush
    Rabbit Maranville
    Juan Marichal			79
    Rube Marquard
    Eddie Mathews			39
    Christy Mathewson		26
    Willie Mays			2
    Bill Mazeroski
    Tommy McCarthy
    Willie McCovey			84
    Joe McGinnity			164
    Bid McPhee			170
    Joe Medwick			112
    Jose Mendez
    Johnny Mize			50
    Paul Molitor			116
    Joe Morgan			30
    Eddie Murray			71
    Stan Musial			10
    Hal Newhouser			137
    Kid Nichols			38
    Phil Niekro			86
    Jim O’Rourke			113
    Mel Ott				32
    Satchel Paige			17
    Jim Palmer			97
    Herb Pennock
    Tony Perez
    Gaylord Perry			76
    Eddie Plank			87
    Kirby Puckett			139
    Charles Radbourn		117
    Pee Wee Reese			144
    Jim Rice
    Sam Rice
    Cal Ripken			35
    Eppa Rixey
    Phil Rizzuto
    Robin Roberts			83
    Brooks Robinson			93
    Frank Robinson			19
    Jackie Robinson			13
    Bullet Rogan			72
    Edd Roush			152
    Red Ruffing			169
    Amos Rusie			129
    Babe Ruth			1
    Nolan Ryan			59
    Ryne Sandberg			119
    Ron Santo			121
    Louis Santop			149
    Ray Schalk
    Mike Schmidt			22
    Red Schoendienst
    Tom Seaver			24
    Joe Sewell
    Al Simmons			80
    George Sisler			110
    Enos Slaughter			175
    Hilton Smith
    Ozzie Smith			115
    Duke Snider			67
    Warren Spahn			33
    Tris Speaker			14
    Willie Stargell			95
    Turkey Stearnes			52
    Bruce Sutter
    Mule Suttles			111
    Don Sutton			153
    Ben Taylor
    Bill Terry			131
    Sam Thompson			145
    Joe Tinker
    Cristobal Torriente		125
    Pie Traynor			162
    Dazzy Vance			143
    Arky Vaughan			57
    Rube Waddell			135
    Honus Wagner			6
    Bobby Wallace			171
    Ed Walsh			105
    Lloyd Waner
    Paul Waner			78
    John Ward			70
    Mickey Welch
    Willie Wells			124
    Zack Wheat			127
    Hoyt Wilhelm			104
    Billy Williams			122
    Joe Williams			43
    Ted Williams			4
    Vic Willis
    Hack Wilson
    Jud Wilson			114
    Dave Winfield			109
    Early Wynn			150
    Carl Yastrzemski		44
    Cy Young			9
    Ross Youngs
    Robin Yount			60
    Ranking by Primary Position
    Catcher (13): Josh Gibson (15), Johnny Bench (31), Yogi Berra (34), Mickey Cochrane (55), Roy Campanella (64), Buck Ewing (74), Carlton Fisk (77), Gary Carter (88), Bill Dickey (99), Gabby Hartnett (108), Biz Mackey (148), Louis Santop (149), Roger Bresnahan (166)

    First Base (16): Lou Gehrig (8), Cap Anson (25), Jimmie Foxx (28), Hank Greenberg (45), Dan Brouthers (46), Johnny Mize (50), Roger Connor (58), Eddie Murray (71), Harmon Killebrew (73), Willie McCovey (84), Buck Leonard (103), George Sisler (110), Mule Suttles (111), Bill Terry (131), Frank Chance (155), Orlando Cepeda (172)

    Second Base (14): Rogers Hornsby (12), Jackie Robinson (13), Eddie Collins (16), Nap Lajoie (29), Joe Morgan (30), Charlie Gehringer (54), Rod Carew (61), Frankie Frisch (85), Ryne Sandberg (119), Roberto Alomar (120), Joe Gordon (138), Billy Herman (147), Bobby Doerr (161), Bid McPhee (170)

    Shortstop (17): Honus Wagner (6), Cal Ripken (35), Pop Lloyd (37), Arky Vaughan (57), Robin Yount (60), Ernie Banks (65), George Davis (68), John Ward (70), Luke Appling (92), Joe Cronin (98), Barry Larkin (107), Ozzie Smith (115), Willie Wells (124), Lou Boudreau (140), Pee Wee Reese (144), Bobby Wallace (171), Hugh Jennings (173)

    Third Base (11): Mike Schmidt (22), George Brett (36), Eddie Mathews (39), Wade Boggs (53), Brooks Robinson (93), Frank Baker (96), Jud Wilson (114), Paul Molitor (116), Ron Santo (121), Jimmy Collins (157), Pie Traynor (162)

    Left Field (18): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Rickey Henderson (27), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Ed Delahanty (49), Al Simmons (80), Willie Stargell (95), Jesse Burkett (100), Fred Clarke (102), Joe Medwick (112), Jim O'Rourke (113), Monte Irvin (118), Billy Williams (122), Zack Wheat (127), Goose Goslin (130), Lou Brock (134), Ralph Kiner (141), Joe Kelley (165)

    Center Field (18): Willie Mays (2), Ty Cobb (3), Mickey Mantle (11), Tris Speaker (14), Joe DiMaggio (20), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Duke Snider (67), Billy Hamilton (75), Cristobal Torriente (125), Larry Doby (128), Cool Papa Bell (136), Kirby Puckett (139), Edd Roush (152), Max Carey (156), Earl Averill (158), Richie Ashburn (159), Willard Brown (174)

    Right Field (18): Babe Ruth (1), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Mel Ott (32), Roberto Clemente (41), Al Kaline (51), Reggie Jackson (56), Tony Gwynn (62), Sam Crawford (66), King Kelly (69), Paul Waner (78), Harry Heilmann (101), Dave Winfield (109), Willie Keeler (123), Sam Thompson (145), Andre Dawson (160), Elmer Flick (163), Enos Slaughter

    Pitcher (50): Walter Johnson (7), Cy Young (9), Satchel Paige (17), Grover Alexander (18), Lefty Grove (23), Tom Seaver (24), Christy Mathewson (26), Warren Spahn (33), Kid Nichols (38), Bob Feller (40), Bob Gibson (42), Joe Williams (43), Steve Carlton (47), Sandy Koufax (48), Nolan Ryan (59), Carl Hubbell (63), Bullet Rogan (72), Gaylord Perry (76), Juan Marichal (79), John Clarkson (81), Martin Dihigo (82), Robin Roberts (83), Phil Niekro (86), Eddie Plank (87), Whitey Ford (89), Tim Keefe (90), Mordecai Brown (91), Ferguson Jenkins (94), Jim Palmer (97), Hoyt Wilhelm (104), Ed Walsh (105), Bert Blyleven (106), Charles Radbourn (117), Dennis Eckersley (126), Amos Rusie (129), Don Drysdale (132), Dizzy Dean (133), Rube Waddell (135), Hal Newhouser (137), Rich Gossage (142), Dazzy Vance (143), Pud Galvin (146), Early Wynn (150), Stan Coveleski (151), Don Sutton (153), Ted Lyons (154), Joe McGinnity (164), Jim Bunning (167), Ray Brown (168), Red Ruffing (169)

    Ranking by Primary Decade
    1880s (11): Cap Anson (25), Dan Brouthers (46), Roger Connor (58), King Kelly (69), John Ward (70), Buck Ewing (74), John Clarkson (81), Tim Keefe (90), Jim O'Rourke (113), Charles Radbourn (117), Pud Galvin (146)

    1890s (12): Cy Young (9), Kid Nichols (38), Ed Delahanty (49), George Davis (68), Billy Hamilton (75), Jesse Burkett (100), Willie Keeler (123), Amos Rusie (129), Sam Thompson (145), Joe Kelley (165), Bid McPhee (171), Hugh Jennings (173)

    1900s (14): Honus Wagner (6), Christy Mathewson (26), Nap Lajoie (29), Sam Crawford (66), Eddie Plank (87), Mordecai Brown (91), Fred Clarke (102), Rube Waddell (135), Frank Chance (155), Jimmy Collins (157), Elmer Flick (163), Joe McGinnity (164), Roger Bresnahan (166), Bobby Wallace (170)

    1910s (12): Ty Cobb (3), Walter Johnson (7), Tris Speaker (14), Eddie Collins (16), Grover Alexander (18), Pop Lloyd (37), Joe Williams (43), Frank Baker (96), Ed Walsh (105), Zack Wheat (127), Louis Santop (149), Max Carey (156)

    1920s (15): Babe Ruth (1), Rogers Hornsby (12), Oscar Charleston (21), Turkey Stearnes (52), Bullet Rogan (72), Frankie Frisch (85), Harry Heilmann (101), George Sisler (110), Cristobal Torriente (125), Goose Goslin (130), Dazzy Vance (143), Biz Mackey (148), Stan Coveleski (151), Edd Roush (152), Pie Traynor (162)

    1930s (29): Lou Gehrig (8), Josh Gibson (15), Satchel Paige (17), Lefty Grove (23), Jimmie Foxx (28), Mel Ott (32), Hank Greenberg (45), Charlie Gehringer (54), Mickey Cochrane (55), Arky Vaughan (57), Carl Hubbell (63), Paul Waner (78), Al Simmons (80), Martin Dihigo (82), Joe Cronin (98), Bill Dickey (99), Gabby Hartnett (108), Mule Suttles (111), Joe Medwick (112), Jud Wilson (114), Willie Wells (124), Bill Terry (131), Dizzy Dean (133), Cool Papa Bell (136), Billy Herman (147), Ted Lyons (154), Earl Averill (158), Ray Brown (168), Red Ruffing (169)

    1940s (15): Ted Williams (4), Stan Musial (10), Joe DiMaggio (20), Bob Feller (40), Johnny Mize (50), Luke Appling (92), Buck Leonard (103), Monte Irvin (118), Hal Newhouser (137), Joe Gordon (138), Lou Boudreau (140), Pee Wee Reese (144), Bobby Doerr (161), Willard Brown (174), Enos Slaughter (175)

    1950s (13): Mickey Mantle (11), Jackie Robinson (13), Warren Spahn (33), Yogi Berra (34), Eddie Mathews (39), Roy Campanella (64), Duke Snider (67), Robin Roberts (83), Whitey Ford (89), Larry Doby (128), Ralph Kiner (141), Early Wynn (150), Richie Ashburn (159)

    1960s (18): Willie Mays (2), Hank Aaron (5), Frank Robinson (19), Roberto Clemente (41), Bob Gibson (42), Sandy Koufax (48), Al Kaline (51), Ernie Banks (65), Harmon Killebrew (73), Juan Marichal (79), Willie McCovey (84), Brooks Robinson (93), Hoyt Wilhelm (104), Ron Santo (121), Billy Williams (122), Don Drysdale (132), Jim Bunning (167), Orlando Cepeda (172)

    1970s (17): Tom Seaver (24), Joe Morgan (30), Johnny Bench (31), Carl Yastrzemski (44), Steve Carlton (47), Reggie Jackson (56), Nolan Ryan (59), Rod Carew (61), Gaylord Perry (76), Carlton Fisk (77), Phil Niekro (86), Ferguson Jenkins (94), Willie Stargell (95), Jim Palmer (97), Bert Blyleven (106), Lou Brock (134), Don Sutton (153)

    1980s (1): Mike Schmidt (22), Rickey Henderson (27), Cal Ripken (35), George Brett (36), Wade Boggs (53), Robin Yount (60), Tony Gwynn (62), Eddie Murray (71), Gary Carter (88), Dave Winfield (109), Ozzie Smith (115), Paul Molitor (116), Ryne Sandberg (119), Dennis Eckersley (126), Rich Gossage (142)

    1990s (3): Barry Larkin (107), Roberto Alomar (120), Kirby Puckett (139)

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  • #2
    This is a big election as 178 and after mark the bottom 25% of the Hall.

    1) Bob Lemon
    2) Ray Dandridge
    3) Lefty Gomez
    4) Jake Beckley
    5) Sam Rice
    6) Red Faber
    7) Pete Hill
    8) Addie Joss
    9) Vic Willis
    10) Phil Rizzuto

    I think this marks the first vote for Vic Willis. He twice led the league in pitching WAR and ERA+ and has a career WAR of 57.2. Seems like someone we may have overlooked a bit.

    Three players I wanted to vote for but didn't have the space: Tony Perez, Joe Sewell, Rollie Fingers.
    Last edited by DoubleX; 04-25-2012, 07:47 AM.

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    • #3
      1) Sam Rice
      2) Hugh Duffy
      3) Chuck Klein
      4) Mickey Welch
      5) Jake Beckley
      6) Heinie Manush
      7) Jim Rice
      8) Nellie Fox
      9) Red Faber
      10) Bob Lemon

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      • #4
        1. Lefty Gomez
        2. Johnny Evers
        3. Hugh Duffy
        4. Tony Perez
        5. Jake Beckley
        6. Hilton Smith
        7. Joe Sewell
        8. Addie Joss
        9. Chief Bender
        10. Mickey Welch

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        • #5
          1 - Leon Day
          2 - Ray Dandridge
          3 - Mickey Welch
          4 - Red Faber
          5 - Hugh Duffy
          6 - Jake Beckley
          7 - Bob Lemon
          8 - Frank Grant
          9 - Nellie Fox
          10 - Phil Rizzuto


          My next batch, in order - Luis Aparicio, Tony Perez, Addie Joss, Joe Sewell, Rabbit Maranville,
          Eppa Rixey, Bill Foster, Kiki Cuyler, Heinie Manush, Burleigh Grimes, Chief Bender

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          • #6
            1. Pete Hill (10)
            2. Frank Grant (9)
            3. Addie Joss (8)
            4. Joe Sewell (7)
            5. Willie Foster (6)
            6. Red Faber (5)
            7. Bob Lemon (4)
            8. Nellie Fox (3)
            9. Luis Aparicio (2)
            10. Eppa Rixey (1)
            Jose Mendez
            Tony Perez
            Rollie Fingers
            Hugh Duffy
            Jake Beckley
            Hilton Smith
            Ben Taylor
            Lefty Gomez
            Mickey Welch
            Vic Willis


            I'm getting close to the end of the line for players who I would personally accept as Hall of Famers. And I'm inclusive. :cap:
            Last edited by J W; 04-25-2012, 08:35 PM.
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            • #7
              1. Phil Rizzuto
              2. Johnny Evers
              3. Bob Lemon
              4. Rabbit Maranville
              5. Red Faber
              6. Hugh Duffy
              7. Sam Rice
              8. Chuck Klein
              9. Pete Hill
              10. Leon Day

              In queue: Bruce Sutter, Kiki Cuyler, Jake Beckley, Ray Dandridge, Joe Sewell

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              • #8
                1. Will Foster
                2. Jose Mendez
                3. Frank Grant
                4. Phil Rizzuto
                5. Jake Beckley
                6. Hugh Duffy
                7. Bob Lemon
                8. Hilton Smith
                9. Hack Wilson
                10. Ben Taylor
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                  10. Ben Taylor
                  If you have a chance, could you shed some light on why he shows up at this point? I'm under the impression that he is the worst NeLer in the HOF with the exception of Judy Johnson. Perhaps I'm mistaken and am being too harsh on him.

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                  • #10
                    I see him as like George Sisler, but with the peaks and valleys flattened out. For more details, see this thread: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...ion/ben_taylor

                    I don't think he's HOF quality, since the peak is what gets Sisler in, but he's a far better hitter than Judy Johnson, even accounting for the difference in position. Johnson had no power and little plate patience--and an average not a lot above what an average MLBer of the time would have gotten. Taylor was stronger than Johnson relative to his peers. See this: http://www.seamheads.com/NegroLgs/player.php?ID=756
                    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                    • #11
                      1. Pete Hill
                      2. Bill Foster
                      3. Leon Day
                      4. Hilton Smith
                      5. Hugh Duffy
                      6. Jake Beckley
                      7. Bob Lemon
                      8. Red Faber
                      9. Addie Joss
                      10. Ray Dandridge
                      "Age is a question of mind over matter--if you don't mind, it doesn't matter."
                      -Satchel Paige

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                      • #12
                        1. Catfish Hunter
                        2. Bruce Sutter
                        3. Jim Rice
                        4. Tony Perez
                        5. Bob Lemon
                        6. Rollie Fingers
                        7. Leon Day
                        8. Ray Dandridge
                        9. Luis Aparicio
                        10. Chuck Klein
                        3 6 10 21 29 31 35 41 42 44 47

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                        • #13
                          1. Pete Hill
                          2. Mickey Welch
                          3. Jake Beckley
                          4. Jose Mendez
                          5. Sam Rice
                          6. Addie Joss
                          7. Willie Foster
                          8. Bob Lemon
                          9. Chuck Klein
                          10. Hugh Duffy

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                            I see him as like George Sisler, but with the peaks and valleys flattened out. For more details, see this thread: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...ion/ben_taylor

                            I don't think he's HOF quality, since the peak is what gets Sisler in, but he's a far better hitter than Judy Johnson, even accounting for the difference in position. Johnson had no power and little plate patience--and an average not a lot above what an average MLBer of the time would have gotten. Taylor was stronger than Johnson relative to his peers. See this: http://www.seamheads.com/NegroLgs/player.php?ID=756
                            I actually envision Taylor as something like Jake Beckley, which is why I have him underneath Beckley in my queue. I've got the four NLers ranked below Taylor, in order from best to worst: Leon Day, Ray Dandridge, Andy Cooper and Judy Johnson.

                            ...which reminds me, I forgot to add Hilton Smith. I edited the waiting list above; the ballot remains the same.

                            One player I've been voting on for some time but haven't been vocal about is Frank Grant. He is an enigmatic player so I understand the low rating. I'm starting to wonder now where he will end up... near the top of the last quartile or at the bottom of the barrel?
                            Last edited by J W; 04-25-2012, 08:41 PM.
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                            • #15
                              1. Rollie Fingers
                              2. Nellie Fox
                              3. Mickey Welch
                              4. Kiki Cuyler
                              5. Chuck Klein
                              6. Hugh Duffy
                              7. Jim Rice
                              8. Hilton Smith
                              9. Luis Aparicio
                              10. Bob Lemon

                              Next : Hack Wilson, Vic Willis, Ray Dandrige, Jake Beckley

                              Soon : Lefty Gomez, Catfish Hunter

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