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    This will be one of three second chance round elections this week. What we'll do for the second chance election is a Yes/No vote requiring the greater of 6 or 75% of the votes to induct. The election will be limited to the listed nominees. The elections will only be open for a week--but there will be at least three or four days for discussion and new nominations. You can abstain from an entire ballot (player or contributor), but if you vote in that portion of the ballot, only the guys you expressly vote yes for get credit for a positive vote. The others in that section of the ballot will be considered to have gotten a "no" vote. There will be no limits on how many nominees you can vote for . I will also provide the nomination discussions for the nominees. The deadline for suggesting nominees is twelve hours before the election begins.

    In this case, the election will not begin until Saturday, May 12 at 7 am EDT, and will end at 7 am EDT May 19. Nominations close 12 hours before the election begins, or May 11 at 7 pm EDT. Ballots not cast within the stated election time frame will not count.


    The Padres have the following already inducted:

    Players inducted (5): Tony Gwynn, Trevor Hoffman, Randy Jones, Terry Kennedy, Dave Winfield

    Contributors inducted: none

    The list of nominees at present is:

    Players
    Andy Ashby
    Ken Caminiti
    Nate Colbert
    Mark Davis

    Contributors
    Bruce Bochy
    Jerry Coleman
    Ted Giannoulas/The San Diego Chicken
    Ray Kroc
    Jack McKeon
    Dick Williams
    Last edited by jalbright; 05-11-2012, 11:05 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    dgarza had done this case for Mark Davis for the Padres:

    Originally posted by dgarza View Post
    Mark Davis
    2x All Star (1988,1989)

    Won 3 awards in 1989 :
    NL CY
    NL Sporting News Pitcher of the Year
    NL Rolaids Relief

    Led NL in Saves and Games Finished (1989)
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #3
      dgarza posted this case for Andy Ashby for the Padres:

      Originally posted by dgarza View Post
      Andy Ashby
      70-62
      .530 %
      3.59 ERA
      113 ERA+

      2x All Star (1998,1999)

      Padre Team Records :
      3rd in pWAR
      4th in K/BB (500 IPs min.)
      5th in Wins, Strikeouts, BB/9 (500 IPs min.)
      6th in IPs

      Padre Career pWAR :
      Code:
                                                   
      Rk               Player  WAR     IP From   To
      1        Trevor Hoffman 28.1  952.1 1993 2008
      2            Jake Peavy 24.0 1342.2 2002 2009
      3            Andy Ashby 22.5 1212.0 1993 2004
      4           Randy Jones 22.0 1766.0 1973 1980
      5            Andy Benes 21.1 1235.0 1989 1995
      Led NL in :
      Starts (1995)
      Shutouts (1999)
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #4
        r Nate Colbert of the Padres (no second required):

        Originally posted by dgarza View Post
        Nate Colbert
        Colbert gave the Padres a bright spot right away, establishing himself as the powerhitter of the team. And the All Time Padre HR hitter.
        He hit 163 HRs in the 1st 6 seasons of the Padres's existence, averaging over 30 HRs in 162 games. With an OPS+ of 127 & WAR of 15.3.

        3 straight All Star (1971-1973).

        Padre Career Records :
        1st in HRs - still? yes
        5th in SLG (500 game min.)
        6th in RBIs
        7th in Runs, Walks
        8th in OPS+ (500 game min.)
        10th in Hits, Triples

        NL Records 1969-1974 :
        9th in HRs :
        Code:
                                               
        Rk             Player  HR   G From   To
        1          Hank Aaron 223 797 1969 1974
        2     Willie Stargell 210 848 1969 1974
        3        Johnny Bench 196 914 1969 1974
        4             Lee May 192 906 1969 1974
        5          Tony Perez 178 921 1969 1974
        6         Bobby Bonds 177 933 1969 1974
        7      Willie McCovey 167 745 1969 1974
        8      Billy Williams 164 904 1969 1974
        9        Nate Colbert 163 866 1969 1974
        10           Jim Wynn 143 863 1969 1974
        Record for RBI highest percentage of team runs, 22.75% (111/488, 1972: second place is Wally Berger, 22.61%, 1935 Braves).

        On August 1, 1972, Colbert tied Stan Musial with five home runs in one day against the Atlanta Braves. In the first game of the doubleheader, Colbert had two homers and five RBI. He followed with three homers and eight RBI in the nightcap.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #5
          dgarza proposed Ken Caminiti as a second chance nominee for the Padres. He'll get that chance, but the steroid connection means he won't be getting my vote as he's just on the plus side for me if you ignore that issue.

          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
          Case for...

          Ken Caminiti
          1996 NL MVP
          2x AS (1996, 1997) [Started 3B in 1997]
          3 straight Gold Gloves NL 3B (1995, 1996, 1997)
          Silver Slugger NL 3B (1996)

          Holds Single Season Team Record for :
          RBIs with 130 in 1996
          WAR Runs Batting with 60 in 1996

          Team Career Records :
          1st in SLG (500 game min.), OPS+ (500 game min.), ISO (500 game min.)
          3rd in AVG (500 game min.), OBP (500 game min.)

          3B Putouts NL
          2nd (1994, 1996)
          3rd (1995)

          3B Assists NL
          1st (1995)
          2nd (1996, 1997)

          3B Total Zone Runs NL
          1st (1994)

          3B Range Factor/9 NL
          2nd (1997)

          3B Range Factor/Game NL
          1st (1997)
          3rd (1995, 1996)

          3B Fielding % NL
          3rd (1994)

          Became Padres' Spring Training instructor after playing days were over.
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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          • #6
            Bruce Bochy

            His tenure as manager in San Diego was up and down (.494 win%), but he did amass 951 wins with the team as well as four division crowns and an NL pennant. Nobody else has come close to that level of success.
            http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...-showalter.gif

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            • #7
              -double post-
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              • #8
                Jack McKeon
                Padres MGR:
                Most Games Over .500 - 29
                Highest Winning % - .541

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                • #9
                  Dick Williams
                  Took SD to their 1st post-season appearance, all the way to the WS no less.

                  Never a season under .500.
                  Code:
                                                                                                    
                  Rk   Year Age               Tm               Lg   G   W   L W-L%            Finish
                  16   1982  53 San Diego Padres               NL 162  81  81 .500                 4
                  17   1983  54 San Diego Padres               NL 163  81  81 .500                 4
                  18   1984  55 San Diego Padres               NL 162  92  70 .568      1 NL Pennant
                  19   1985  56 San Diego Padres               NL 162  83  79 .512                 3
                                         San Diego Padres 4 years 649 337 311 .520    3.0  1 Pennant

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                  • #10
                    Jerry Coleman
                    Analyst and former play-by-play radio announcer for the San Diego Padres.
                    In 1972 Coleman became lead radio announcer for the San Diego Padres, a position he has held every year since but 1980, when the Padres hired him to manage (predating a trend of broadcasters-turned-managers that started in the late 1990s).

                    Honored in 2005 by the National Baseball Hall of Fame with the Ford C. Frick Award for his broadcasting contributions.

                    In the fall of 2007 Jerry was inducted to the National Radio Hall of Fame as a Sports Broadcaster for his years as the play by play voice of the San Diego Padres.

                    Managed Padres for 1 year.

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                    • #11
                      Ray Kroc
                      Owned the San Diego Padres baseball team from 1974 until his death in 1984.
                      He was not interested in moving the team to Washington and kept the team in San Diego.

                      from Padres HOF MLB site :

                      Ray Kroc

                      Inducted 1999

                      Ray Kroc bought the Padres franchise on January 25, 1974, when the club literally had its boxes packed and was ready to move to Washington, D.C. An entrepreneur who created the McDonald's fast-food empire, Kroc established then and there that the Padres would remain in San Diego. He oversaw the club's rise from a perennial loser in the standings and at the gate to a viable franchise that eventually would win the National League pennant in 1984. After topping out at 644,272 before he purchased the club, the Padres drew more than 1 million fans every year except the strike-shortened 1981 season, and the team on the field grew to respectability, earning its first winning record in 1978. Kroc died in January 1984 and didn't get to see his team reach the World Series that year - though the club carried an "RAK" emblem its uniform that season. Kroc's wife, Joan, assumed the role of owner after his death until her sale of the club in 1990.

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                      • #12
                        About a day and a half left for nominations.
                        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                        • #13
                          The San Diego Chicken/Ted Giannoulas

                          from Wikipedia :

                          The Chicken at one point appeared at more than 520 San Diego Padres games in a row.

                          Conflict emerged between KGB Radio and Giannoulas, and the latter was fired in 1977. Another unnamed employee was hired to don a chicken outfit at a Padres game. Fans, many of whom were aware that Giannoulas was not in the outfit, booed the chicken loudly.

                          After a lawsuit was decided in Giannoulas's favor in June 1979 (by Judge Raul Rosado), Giannoulas was allowed to continue to perform in a chicken costume (though not the same as the original costume), and his Chicken emerged from an egg at a "Grand Hatching" seen by 47,000 people as "Also sprach Zarathustra", the theme used in 2001: A Space Odyssey, played.

                          The success of the Famous Chicken helped lead to mascots becoming widespread throughout professional sports, particularly Major League Baseball. The Chicken was named one of the 100 most powerful people in sports for the 20th century by The Sporting News.

                          The Chicken appears on a card in the 1982, 1983, and 1984 Donruss sets with an offer on the back of the card where you could send the card to The Chicken himself to autograph it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                            The San Diego Chicken/Ted Giannoulas

                            from Wikipedia :

                            The Chicken at one point appeared at more than 520 San Diego Padres games in a row.

                            Conflict emerged between KGB Radio and Giannoulas, and the latter was fired in 1977. Another unnamed employee was hired to don a chicken outfit at a Padres game. Fans, many of whom were aware that Giannoulas was not in the outfit, booed the chicken loudly.

                            After a lawsuit was decided in Giannoulas's favor in June 1979 (by Judge Raul Rosado), Giannoulas was allowed to continue to perform in a chicken costume (though not the same as the original costume), and his Chicken emerged from an egg at a "Grand Hatching" seen by 47,000 people as "Also sprach Zarathustra", the theme used in 2001: A Space Odyssey, played.

                            The success of the Famous Chicken helped lead to mascots becoming widespread throughout professional sports, particularly Major League Baseball. The Chicken was named one of the 100 most powerful people in sports for the 20th century by The Sporting News.

                            The Chicken appears on a card in the 1982, 1983, and 1984 Donruss sets with an offer on the back of the card where you could send the card to The Chicken himself to autograph it.
                            Interesting case. If you focus solely on the Padres, I don't think he belongs. If you look at baseball as a whole, I think he does. The issue is, which focus do you use, or if you try to find somewhere between the two, exactly where do you pick?
                            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by jalbright View Post
                              Interesting case. If you focus solely on the Padres, I don't think he belongs. If you look at baseball as a whole, I think he does. The issue is, which focus do you use, or if you try to find somewhere between the two, exactly where do you pick?
                              I did not state it as part of his case here, since it was not baseball related...

                              ...but to muddy the waters even more, it seems like the San Diego Chicken existed as a San Diego "celebrity" before "he" got involved with baseball, doing radio and concert spots. So there is an even stronger SD connection there, but it's not all baseball.

                              And to give more weight to Ted Giannoulas himself, it seems as if the fans knew he as person made the difference for the San Diego Chicken, not just the Chicken as a mascot in concept.

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