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    This will be one of three second chance round elections this week. What we'll do for the second chance election is a Yes/No vote requiring the greater of 6 or 75% of the votes to induct. The election will be limited to the listed nominees. The elections will only be open for a week--but there will be at least three or four days for discussion and new nominations. You can abstain from an entire ballot (player or contributor), but if you vote in that portion of the ballot, only the guys you expressly vote yes for get credit for a positive vote. The others in that section of the ballot will be considered to have gotten a "no" vote. There will be no limits on how many nominees you can vote for . I will also provide the nomination discussions for the nominees. The deadline for suggesting nominees is twelve hours before the election begins.

    In this case, the election will not begin until Saturday, May 19 at 7 am EDT, and will end at 7 am EDT May 26. Nominations close 43 hours before the election begins, or May 17 at noon EDT. Ballots not cast within the stated election time frame will not count.


    I'm modifying the time for how long I'll accept nominations. Nominations will close at noon on Thursday rather than 7 pm Friday. Among the reasons for this are situations like yesterday when I'm away, the day before is a real pain in the rump. Another reason is that if I decide to go to requiring seconds for some nominations, I'll need some additional time for those seconds, and this move provides that.

    The Giants have the following already inducted:
    - Inducted Players (31): Johnny Antonelli, Barry Bonds, Bobby Bonds, Roger Bresnahan, George Burns, Orlando Cepeda, Will Clark, Roger Connor, George Davis, Art Devlin, Larry Doyle, Buck Ewing, Frankie Frisch, Carl Hubbell, Travis Jackson, Tim Keefe, Jeff Kent, Juan Marichal, Christy Mathewson, Willie Mays, Willie McCovey, Johnny Mize, Mel Ott, Gaylord Perry, Amos Rusie, Bill Terry, Robby Thompson, Mike Tiernan, Mickey Welch, Matt Williams, Ross Youngs

    - Inducted Contributors (3): Roger Craig, Leo Durocher, John McGraw


    The list of nominees at present is:

    Players
    Dick Bartell
    Jack Clark
    Al Dark
    Art Fletcher
    Larry Jansen
    Gary Lavelle
    Sal Maglie
    Joe McGinnity
    Kevin Mitchell
    Jo Jo Moore
    Jason Schmidt
    Hal Schumacher
    Bobby Thomson

    Contributors
    Al Dark
    Russ Hodges
    Jim Mutrie

    Al Dark is going on both ballots. If you believe he belongs solely as a player vote for him there. If you do, you still may want to cast a yes as a contributor. If you don't think he makes it solely for his play but that the overall contribution merits induction, then vote for him as a contributor. I will not be counting player ballots toward election as a contributor.
    Last edited by jalbright; 05-17-2012, 09:42 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    The case for Sal Maglie: Guess who the career leader in career won loss percentage for the Giants is? Not Marquard, McGinnity, Mathewson, Antonelli, Rusie, Keefe, G. Perry, or Welch. It's this guy.

    He had some fine individual season results as well:

    4 times in the top 10 in his league in pitching WAR;
    4 times in the top 10 in his league in ERA (one of them a title);
    4 times in the top 10 in his league in wins (one of them a title);
    4 times in the top 10 in his league in won-loss percentage (one of them a title); and
    5 times in the top 10 in his league in shutouts.

    This guy deserves a spot in the Giant HOF.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #3
      With the change in how long I'll allow nominations, there's under 3 days left for them.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #4
        Here are some brief cases for three Giants I think we overlooked:

        Art Fletcher:
        40.5 career WAR with the franchise
        Received MVP votes in 1913 and 1914
        Integral player in 4 World Series teams
        Excellent defensive shortstop.

        Joe McGinnity:
        151-88 with the organization
        31.7 career WAR with the franchise
        A workhorse who led the league in games from 1903-1907.
        Led the league in many pitching categories while with the team

        Bobby Thomson:
        23.6 WAR with the franchise
        3 time All Star
        Received MVP votes in 2 different years
        “Shot heard around the world”
        Last edited by jjpm74; 05-15-2012, 07:24 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
          Bobby Thomson:
          30.8 WAR with the franchise
          23.6 WAR these days

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dgarza View Post
            23.6 WAR these days
            I Fixed it, thanks.

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            • #7
              Jack Clark
              .277/.359/.477
              134 OPS+
              29.3 WAR
              163 HRs

              All-Star Games
              1978 *
              1979 *

              Extra Base Hits
              1978 NL 79 (1st)

              Putouts as RF
              1978 NL 328 (1st)
              1981 NL 188 (1st)
              1982 NL 283 (1st)

              Assists as RF
              1981 NL 14 (1st)
              1983 NL 18 (1st)

              Range Factor/9Inn as RF
              1978 NL 2.33 (1st)

              Range Factor/Game as RF
              1978 NL 2.26 (1st)

              Giant team career records (500 game min.):
              11th in HRs
              t12 in ISO
              13th in WAR Runs Batting
              t15th in SLG
              16th in OPS+
              Last edited by dgarza; 05-15-2012, 08:45 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                Robby Thompson
                Was the team's Opening Day starter at second for eleven straight years, from 1986 to 1996.
                Robby Thompson has already been elected.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                  Robby Thompson has already been elected.
                  Thanks, I'll put another player in that post

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post

                    Art Fletcher:
                    40.5 career WAR with the franchise
                    Received MVP votes in 1913 and 1914
                    Integral player in 4 World Series teams
                    Excellent defensive shortstop.
                    I'll add that he was one of the best (if not thee best) SS in baseball for 2 decades (1910-1929):
                    Code:
                                                                       
                    Rk              Player WAR/pos From   To   Age    G
                    1        Dave Bancroft    46.8 1915 1929 24-38 1903
                    2         Art Fletcher    45.6 1910 1922 25-37 1500
                    3    Roger Peckinpaugh    40.6 1910 1927 19-36 2011
                    4           Joe Sewell    40.5 1920 1929 21-30 1404
                    5    Rabbit Maranville    40.4 1912 1929 20-37 2068
                    Fletcher : 32.9 g/WAR
                    Bancroft : 40.7 g/WAR

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                    • #11
                      Kevin Mitchell
                      .278/.356/.536
                      151 OPS+
                      18.2 WAR
                      143 HRs

                      Awards
                      1989 ML Major League Player of the Year
                      1989 NL MVP

                      Silver Sluggers
                      1989 NL (OF)

                      All-Star Games
                      1989 (LF)
                      1990 (LF)

                      In the 1989 NLCS, Mitchell hit .353/.429/.706 with 2 homers and 7 RBIs.

                      Giant team career records (500 game min.) :
                      3rd in ISO
                      4th in SLG
                      6th in OPS+

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                      • #12
                        Russ Hodges
                        Broadcaster who did play-by-play for several baseball teams, most notably the New York and San Francisco Giants.

                        1980 Ford C. Frick Award Winner

                        Famously called the Shot Heard 'Round the World.

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                        • #13
                          Al Dark
                          As Manager :
                          San Francisco Giants
                          4 years
                          644 games
                          366-277 = .569
                          1 Pennant

                          As Player :
                          .292/.334/.439
                          103 OPS+
                          25.3 WAR
                          8.0 dWAR

                          Excellent World Series record!
                          Code:
                                                                                 
                          Year   Series Opp G PA AB R  H RBI   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS
                          1951       WS NYY 6 26 24 5 10   4 .417 .462 .667 1.128
                          1954       WS CLE 4 19 17 2  7   0 .412 .444 .412  .856
                          1955 ML Lou Gehrig Memorial Award

                          All-Star Games
                          1951 (SS)
                          1952
                          1954 (SS)

                          Defensive WAR
                          1950 NL 2.4 (1st)

                          Doubles
                          1951 NL 41 (1st)

                          Putouts as SS
                          1951 NL 295 (1st)
                          1952 NL 324 (1st)

                          Assists as SS
                          1951 NL 465 (1st)

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                          • #14
                            Jason Schmidt
                            78-37 = .678
                            1065 K / 1069.2 IPs
                            126 ERA+
                            1.183 WHIP
                            21.4 pWAR

                            2004 NL TSN Pitcher of the Year

                            All-Star Games
                            2003 (P)
                            2004
                            2006

                            Giant team career records (500 IP min):
                            3rd in Hits/9, K/9
                            4th Winning %
                            5th in K/BB
                            11th in Ks
                            12th in ERA+

                            Earned Run Average
                            2003 NL 2.34 (1st)

                            Walks & Hits per IP
                            2003 NL 0.953 (1st)

                            Shutouts
                            2003 NL 3 (1st)
                            2004 NL 3 (1st)

                            Adjusted ERA+
                            2003 NL 180 (1st)

                            Sacrifice Hits
                            2003 NL 15 (1st)

                            Schmidt was a Top 5 NL Starter from 2002-2006:
                            Code:
                                                                                                 
                            Rk            Player  WAR     IP  GS CG SHO  W  L W-L%   SO  ERA ERA+
                            1         Roy Oswalt 24.3 1059.2 157  8   3 84 44 .656  872 3.09  140
                            2    Carlos Zambrano 23.2  969.1 145  6   2 63 40 .612  861 3.19  138
                            3      Jason Schmidt 20.4 1003.1 151 14   9 71 36 .664 1000 3.35  127
                            4       Brandon Webb 20.2  852.2 129  8   4 47 45 .511  686 3.28  140
                            5      Randy Johnson 20.0  619.2  88 13   7 46 27 .630  749 2.79  164

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                            • #15
                              Hal Schumacher
                              158-121 = .566 %
                              111 ERA+
                              25.5 pWAR
                              28.5 Total WAR

                              Schumacher enlisted in the Naval Reserves in December 1942 and was discharged in November 1945.

                              All-Star Games
                              1933
                              1935 *

                              Hits per 9 IP
                              1933 NL 6.924 (1st)

                              Giants team career records :
                              8th in Wins, Shutouts

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