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  • Today's players with 250+ steals: 2012 edition

    Last year, when I ran this poll, there were 18 active players with at least 250 career steals. This time around, there are 16.

    Those players are as follows, along with their runs, hits, HR, RBIs and batting averages:

    Juan Pierre: 560 SB, 993 R, 2058 H, 16 HR, 492 RBI, .296 AVG
    Ichiro Suzuki: 429 SB, 1149 R, 2481 H, 96 HR, 621 RBI, .325 AVG
    Carl Crawford: 427 SB, 830 R, 1609 H, 115 HR, 648 RBI, .293 AVG
    Johnny Damon: 404 SB, 1649 R, 2733 H, 231 HR, 1122 RBI, .285 AVG
    Omar Vizquel: 401 SB, 1433 R, 2843 H, 80 HR, 944 RBI, .272 AVG
    Bobby Abreu: 393 SB, 1424 R, 2405 H, 284 HR, 1336 RBI, .293 AVG
    Jose Reyes: 383 SB, 756 R, 1344 H, 81 HR, 383 RBI, .291 AVG
    Jimmy Rollins: 382 SB, 1102 R, 1904 H, 171 HR, 732 RBI, .271 AVG
    Derek Jeter: 342 SB, 1794 R, 3152 H, 245 HR, 1212 RBI, .314 AVG
    Chone Figgins: 335 SB, 692 R, 1273 H, 35 HR, 399 RBI, .278 AVG
    Rafael Furcal: 310 SB, 1021 R, 1743 H, 110 HR, 557 RBI, .284 AVG
    Alex Rodriguez: 310 SB, 1848 R, 2820 H, 636 HR, 1911 RBI, .301 AVG
    Scott Podsednik: 301 SB, 546 R, 1038 H, 42 HR, 301 RBI, .280 AVG
    Carlos Beltran: 298 SB, 1213 R, 1959 H, 316 HR, 1183 RBI, .283 AVG
    Brian Roberts: 274 SB, 775 R, 1374 H, 84 HR, 477 RBI, .281 AVG
    Alfonso Soriano: 265 SB, 987 R, 1788 H, 344 HR, 950 RBI, .274 AVG

    Dropping off this list from last year is Mike Cameron and Magglio Ordonez. There are no new names to add. The next closest guys are Michael Bourn (247) and Hanley Ramirez (225).

    Here are the percentages from last year:

    Ichiro Suzuki, 100.00%
    Derek Jeter, 100.00%
    Alex Rodriguez, 95.65%
    Omar Vizquel, 30.43%
    Bobby Abreu, 21.74%
    Johnny Damon, 8.70%
    Jose Reyes, 8.70%
    Carlos Beltran, 4.35%
    Carl Crawford, 4.35%
    Jimmy Rollins, 4.35%
    Alfonso Soriano, 4.35%
    The rest, 0.00%

    So, which of these guys do you think should make it to the Hall of Fame?
    82
    Juan Pierre
    1.22%
    1
    Ichiro Suzuki
    28.05%
    23
    Carl Crawford
    1.22%
    1
    Johnny Damon
    2.44%
    2
    Omar Vizquel
    7.32%
    6
    Bobby Abreu
    2.44%
    2
    Jose Reyes
    0.00%
    0
    Jimmy Rollins
    1.22%
    1
    Derek Jeter
    25.61%
    21
    Chone Figgins
    0.00%
    0
    Rafael Furcal
    0.00%
    0
    Alex Rodriguez
    24.39%
    20
    Scott Podsednik
    0.00%
    0
    Carlos Beltran
    6.10%
    5
    Brian Roberts
    0.00%
    0
    Alfonso Soriano
    0.00%
    0
    None of the above
    0.00%
    0

  • #2
    Ichiro, Jeter, Arod (but for).
    Abreu and Beltran I think belong but I would be surprised if they get in.
    Reyes too soon and I don't see him aging well. Vizquel I'm sorry but he doesn't do it for me, nor Damon they would go right to the bottom of the list at their position if they went in.

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    • #3
      Ichiro, Jeter, A-Rod, Beltran

      The first three do not need to do anything else to get there. Beltran needs to continue to hit well this year as he has done so far.

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      • #4
        I went with Ichiro, Damon, Vizquel, Jeter and Rodriguez. I know a lot of people don't like Vizquel, but the kind of accolades he accumulated are hard to sneeze at. Damon may not get 3,000 hits if he keeps on struggling, but I think I may still support him for the Hall. I support some of the other guys with 2,700+ hits that aren't in the Hall, so he'd fit in with my support of them.

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        • #5
          Career projections:

          Juan Pierre: 779 SB, 2873 H*
          Carl Crawford: 719 SB, 2661 H
          Jose Reyes: 658 SB, 2556 H
          Ichiro Suzuki: 521 SB, 3002 H
          Jimmy Rollins: 510 SB, 2537 H
          Chone Figgins: 468 SB, 1805 H
          Bobby Abreu: 431 SB, 2766 H
          Johnny Damon: 427 SB, 3073 H
          Scott Podsednik: 420 SB, 1446 H
          Omar Vizquel: 413 SB, 2993 H
          Rafael Furcal: 403 SB, 2369 H
          Derek Jeter: 381 SB, 3687 H
          Brian Roberts: 364 SB, 1911 H
          Alex Rodriguez: 346 SB, 3341 H
          Carlos Beltran: 329 SB, 2532 H
          Alfonso Soriano: 278 SB, 2286 H

          *Does anyone think if he actually makes it that far, he will stick around and try to get to 3,000?

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          • #6
            I say no to ARod due to the PEDs at this point.
            Jeter and Ichiro yes.
            "If I drink whiskey, I'll never get worms!" - Hack Wilson

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Cowtipper View Post
              Career projections:

              Juan Pierre: 779 SB, 2873 H*
              Carl Crawford: 719 SB, 2661 H
              Jose Reyes: 658 SB, 2556 H
              Ichiro Suzuki: 521 SB, 3002 H
              Jimmy Rollins: 510 SB, 2537 H
              Chone Figgins: 468 SB, 1805 H
              Bobby Abreu: 431 SB, 2766 H
              Johnny Damon: 427 SB, 3073 H
              Scott Podsednik: 420 SB, 1446 H
              Omar Vizquel: 413 SB, 2993 H
              Rafael Furcal: 403 SB, 2369 H
              Derek Jeter: 381 SB, 3687 H
              Brian Roberts: 364 SB, 1911 H
              Alex Rodriguez: 346 SB, 3341 H
              Carlos Beltran: 329 SB, 2532 H
              Alfonso Soriano: 278 SB, 2286 H

              *Does anyone think if he actually makes it that far, he will stick around and try to get to 3,000?
              If anyone will have him, yes. Also, if Vizquel manages to get to 2993 hits, I can't see how he would retire before 3000 and someone would definitely pick up a guy 7 hits away from 3000 just to get fans in the seats if nothing else.

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              • #8
                Looks like someone doesn't think ARod and Jeter will get in...

                I assume that person thinks Arod won't get in because of PED, but why Jeter? :noidea

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                • #9
                  Ichiro, Jeter, Vizquel, A-Rod.

                  I give Crawford an outside shot.
                  Last edited by 1905 Giants; 05-28-2012, 11:07 PM.
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                  "Fill in any figure you want for that boy (Mantle). Whatever the figure, it's a deal." - Branch Rickey

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                  • #10
                    Most similar players. First is the most similar players by career totals, second is most similar players through the player's current age.

                    Juan Pierre: Clyde Milan, Clyde Milan
                    Ichiro Suzuki: Lloyd Waner, Lloyd Waner
                    Carl Crawford: Shannon Stewart, Roberto Clemente
                    Johnny Damon: Vada Pinson, Paul Molitor
                    Omar Vizquel: Luis Aparicio, Bobby Wallace
                    Bobby Abreu: Bernie Williams, Bernie Williams
                    Jose Reyes: Glenn Wright, Jimmy Rollins
                    Jimmy Rollins: Jay Bell, Alan Trammell
                    Derek Jeter: Roberto Alomar, Craig Biggio
                    Chone Figgins: Bip Roberts, Hans Lobert
                    Rafael Furcal: Phil Rizzuto, Orlando Cabrera
                    Alex Rodriguez: Ken Griffey, Jr., Hank Aaron
                    Scott Podsednik: Doug Glanville, Al Bumbry
                    Carlos Beltran: Fred Lynn, Andre Dawson
                    Brian Roberts: Orlando Hudson, Orlando Hudson
                    Alfonso Soriano: Jermaine Dye, Jermaine Dye

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                    • #11
                      Vote totals from years past:


                      Code:
                      				2011		2010		2009
                      								
                      Bobby		Abreu		21.74		4.35		11.11
                      Carlos		Beltran		4.35		4.35		24.44
                      Mike		Cameron		0.00		0.00		0.00
                      Luis		Castillo			4.35		2.22
                      Carl		Crawford	4.35		4.35		8.89
                      Johnny		Damon		8.70		4.35		11.11
                      Ray 		Durham						0.00
                      Chone		Figgins		0.00		0.00		0.00
                      Rafael		Furcal		0.00		0.00		0.00
                      Derek		Jeter		100.00		100.00		100.00
                      Juan		Pierre		0.00		4.35		2.22
                      Scott		Podsednik	0.00		0.00		0.00
                      Edgar		Renteria	0.00		4.35		2.22
                      Jose		Reyes		8.70		0.00		8.89
                      Brian		Roberts		0.00		0.00		
                      Alex		Rodriguez	95.65		78.26		80.00
                      Jimmy		Rollins		4.35		4.35		13.33
                      Gary		Sheffield					57.78
                      Alfonso		Soriano		4.35		0.00		8.89
                      Ichiro		Suzuki		100.00		100.00		95.56
                      Omar		Vizquel		30.43		43.48		33.33

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                      • #12
                        Not much love for Carl Crawford I see. Many 3000+ hits players/HOFers had fewer hits (1616) than CC at the same age (30). Of active players, only Miguel Cabrera has more hits at a younger age. If CC is still playing at the age of 40 he will be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Yaz View Post
                          Not much love for Carl Crawford I see. Many 3000+ hits players/HOFers had fewer hits (1616) than CC at the same age (30). Of active players, only Miguel Cabrera has more hits at a younger age. If CC is still playing at the age of 40 he will be a unanimous first ballot Hall of Famer.
                          Speed guys often decline in a hurry around 30, and Crawford hasn't exactly helped his case since going to Boston.

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                          • #14
                            All of the 3000+ hits leaders declined after age 30 as well. Plus, a slower Carl Crawford is still faster than a 25 year old Derek Jeter. CC is on pace with the best of all time, even with a poor '11-'12.

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                            • #15
                              It's too early to judge Crawford, he's not exactly ready to retire. How many remember the buzz about Georgre Foster during his prime?

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