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    This will be one of two second chance round elections begun this week. What we'll do for the second chance election is a Yes/No vote requiring the greater of 6 or 75% of the votes to induct. The election will be limited to the listed nominees. The elections will only be open for a week--but there will be at least three or four days for discussion and new nominations. You can abstain from an entire ballot (player or contributor), but if you vote in that portion of the ballot, only the guys you expressly vote yes for get credit for a positive vote. The others in that section of the ballot will be considered to have gotten a "no" vote. There will be no limits on how many nominees you can vote for . I will also provide the nomination discussions for the nominees.

    In this case, the election will not begin until Saturday, June 16 at 7 am EDT, and will end at 7 am EDT June 23. Nominations close 43 hours before the election begins, or June 14 at noon EDT. Ballots not cast within the stated election time frame will not count.


    The Red Sox have the following already inducted:

    Inducted Players (28): Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens, Dom DiMaggio, Bobby Doerr, Dwight Evans, Carlton Fisk, Jimmie Foxx, Nomar Garciaparra, Lefty Grove, Harry Hooper, Tex Hughson, Jackie Jensen, Fred Lynn, Pedro Martinez, Mel Parnell, Rico Petrocelli, Johnny Pesky, Manny Ramirez, Jim Rice, Babe Ruth, Reggie Smith, Tris Speaker, Vern Stephens, Luis Tiant, John Valentin, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzsemski, Cy Young

    - Inducted Contributors (5): Bill Carrigan, Joe Cronin, Theo Epstein, Terry Francona, Tom Yawkey

    The list of nominees at present is:
    Players
    Ellis Burks
    Rick Burleson
    Jimmy Collins
    Rick Ferrell
    Larry Gardner
    Billy Goodman
    Mike Greenwell
    Ellis Kinder
    Dutch Leonard
    Frank Malzone
    Bill Monbouquette
    Jim Piersall
    Dick Radatz
    Pete Runnels
    Everett Scott
    George Scott
    Bob Stanley
    Frank Sullivan
    Jason Varitek
    Mo Vaughan
    Tim Wakefield

    Contributors
    Jimmy Collins
    Curt Gowdy
    Charles Somers


    Note: Please remember that as recent retirees, no case is required to be presented for Varitek or Wakefield.
    Last edited by jalbright; 06-14-2012, 08:25 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
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  • #2
    Two Red Sox I would like to at least give a second chance to are Dick Radatz and Ellis Kinder.

    Radatz wasn't with the Sox for long, only from 1962-66. But he was the best reliever in WAR in the majors for that period, and the single best reliever in WAR in 1962, 1963 and 1964. For me, that's enough to put him in the Sox HOF.

    Kinder excelled in both starting and relieving roles for the Sox. In 1949, he was The Sporting News' Pitcher of the Year. If we use WAR instead, he was 5th in pitcher WAR in the AL in 1949, and 9th in each of 1950, 1951 and 1953. He was the best reliever in the majors in WAR in 1951 and 1953.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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    • #3
      Nominations end June 14th @ noon?

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      • #4
        Yes. I'll clear up the 1st post--I screwed up the change of the dates.
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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        • #5
          Just to nitpick... Joe Cronin was originally listed as a contributor. Should he still be?

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          • #6
            Frank Malzone
            Malzone missed the 1952-1953 seasons due to military service.

            A 3B with some power and known for his defense, Malzone was a very popular Red Sox player, as we can see in his 8 All Star Game selections in 6 years. He was a starter 5 times. Only Boggs, Williams, and Yastrzemski have been starters more often.
            All-Star Games
            1957 *
            1958 (3B)
            1959-1 *
            1959-2 (3B)
            1960-1 (3B)
            1960-2 (3B)
            1963 (3B)
            1964

            Gold Gloves
            1957 ML (3B)
            1958 AL (3B)
            1959 AL (3B)

            Red Sox team career records:
            1st in HRs & RBIs for a 3B
            9th in Hits
            10th in At Bats

            Putouts as 3B
            1957 AL 151 (1st)

            Assists as 3B
            1957 AL 370 (1st)
            1958 AL 378 (1st)
            1959 AL 357 (1st)

            Total Zone Runs as 3B
            1958 AL 10 (1st)

            Range Factor/Game as 3B
            1957 AL 3.41 (1st)
            1958 AL 3.34 (1st)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by dgarza View Post
              Just to nitpick... Joe Cronin was originally listed as a contributor. Should he still be?
              Change made to respond to the self-described nitpick.
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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              • #8
                Curt Gowdy
                Radio & TV announcer for the Red Sox in the 1950s through the mid-60s.

                In 1970, Gowdy became the first sportscaster to receive the George Foster Peabody Award.
                He was elected to the National Sportswriters and Sportscasters Hall of Fame in 1981.
                In 1985, he was inducted into the American Sportscasters Association Hall of Fame.
                He was given the Ford C. Frick Award from the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1984.
                Lifetime achievement Emmy in 1992.
                Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame in 1995.

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                • #9
                  Mo Vaughn
                  .304/.394/.542
                  230 HRs
                  140 OPS+
                  23.0 WAR

                  1995 AL MVP

                  All-Star Games
                  1995 *
                  1996 (1B)
                  1998

                  Silver Sluggers
                  1995 AL (1B)

                  Red Sox Team records :
                  6th in SLG
                  7th in HRs
                  8th in OBP, OPS+

                  One of the Top 10 AL Sluggers in the 90s

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                  • #10
                    Everett Scott (Red Sox 1914-1921)

                    set a Major League record for consecutive games (1307 - since surpassed by Lou Gehrig and Cal Ripken); 832 of those games were with the Red Sox.

                    excellent fielding shortstop:

                    7 times top two in SS F% (#1 six times)
                    6 times top three in dWAR+ (#1 four times)
                    5 times top four in SS putouts (#1 twice)
                    5 times top two in SS assists (#1 once)
                    3 times top four in SS range factor (#1 once)

                    (he had some good years after being traded to NYY after the '21 season too; I'm only listing accomplishments with the Red Sox)
                    Last edited by westsidegrounds; 06-12-2012, 11:15 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Ban Johnson
                      As the AL was forming, Ban Johnson is the one who gave Boston its AL team, by deciding to switch out Buffalo for Boston last minute

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dgarza View Post
                        Ban Johnson
                        As the AL was forming, Ban Johnson is the one who gave Boston its AL team, by deciding to switch out Buffalo for Boston last minute
                        I find this relationship to be a bit precarious. Is there any other association between Ban Johnson and the Red Sox outside of deciding that Boston was a better market than Buffalo?

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                        • #13
                          I was debating how to handle Ban Johnson, and at this point, I think I'll require a second. Remember, that means somebody other than dgarza (the nominator) must indicate he/she will vote for Johnson for the Red Sox hall by this Friday at 7 pm or his name will not be placed in consideration.
                          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                          • #14
                            Pete Runnels
                            Runnels was a 2 Time Batting Champ - lost a 3rd on the final day of the 1958 season - in 5 seasons he always hit between .314-.326
                            1960 AL .320 (1st)
                            1962 AL .326 (1st)

                            .320/.408/.427
                            125 OPS+

                            Comeback Player of Year award in 1958 when his batting average went from .230 to .322.

                            All-Star Games
                            1959-1 *
                            1959-2 (1B)
                            1960-1 (2B)
                            1960-2 (2B)
                            1962-2 *

                            5th on the All Time Red Sox Batting list (6th in OBP) [500 game min.]:
                            Code:
                                                                           
                            Rk              Player   BA  OBP    G From   To
                            1         Ted Williams .344 .482 2292 1939 1960
                            2           Wade Boggs .338 .428 1625 1982 1992
                            3         Tris Speaker .337 .414 1065 1907 1915
                            4    Nomar Garciaparra .323 .370  966 1996 2004
                            5         Pete Runnels .320 .408  732 1958 1962
                            6          Jimmie Foxx .320 .429  887 1936 1942
                            7         Johnny Pesky .313 .401 1029 1942 1952
                            8          Roy Johnson .313 .386  515 1932 1935
                            9        Manny Ramirez .312 .411 1083 2001 2008
                            10           Fred Lynn .308 .383  828 1974 1980

                            He returned to Boston to coach the Red Sox two years (1965-1966), and on September 8, 1966 the Red Sox fired manager Billy Herman (64-82) and named Runnels as interim pilot. He managed them for the last 16 games of the year with a .500 record.

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                            • #15
                              Charles Somers
                              Original principal owner of the Boston Red Sox, a team which had no official nickname until 1908, but was initially sometimes called the "Somersets" in his honor.

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