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  • #16
    I understand that Johnson and Somers don't have overwhelming cases. I originally thought they had something more to add, but now I find I'm running a bit dry. But I will still offer them up as nominations.

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    • #17
      Somers has enough to avoid needing a second. He'll be placed before the voters. Johnson needs a second to do likewise.
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by dgarza View Post
        I understand that Johnson and Somers don't have overwhelming cases. I originally thought they had something more to add, but now I find I'm running a bit dry. But I will still offer them up as nominations.
        Besides for the Red Sox, Somers is also someone to consider with the Cleveland Indians. Somers' finances are why the American League succeeded in the early years.

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        • #19
          Bill Monbouquette
          In 1962 he pitched a no-hitter.

          96-91 = .513
          107 ERA+

          All-Star Games
          1960-1 (P)
          1960-2
          1962-1
          1963

          Bases On Balls per 9 IP
          1964 AL 1.539 (1st)

          Strikeouts / Base On Balls
          1963 AL 4.143 (1st)


          In 2000, he was inducted into the Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame.

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          • #20
            Jimmy Collins
            I'm making a case here for Collins both as a player and as a contributor...

            A good batter, but mostly remembered for his defensive work at 3B.
            Widely credited with creating something resembling the modern style of third base defense. He is specifically credited with having developed the barehanded pickup and off-balance throw to first base in defending bunts.
            He was often regarded as the best defensive 3B ever until the 1960s or so.

            .296/.336/.423
            124 OPS+
            26.7 WAR

            Arguably the 2nd best 3B in Red Sox history
            Code:
                                                     
            Rk          Player WAR/pos From   To    G
            1       Wade Boggs    70.3 1982 1992 1625
            2    Larry Gardner    27.9 1908 1917 1123
            3    Jimmy Collins    26.7 1901 1907  741
            4    Frank Malzone    14.8 1955 1965 1359
            5     Tim Naehring    11.6 1990 1997  547
            Defensive WAR
            1901 AL 1.9 (1st)

            Putouts as 3B
            1903 AL 178 (1st)
            1904 AL 191 (1st)

            Assists as 3B
            1901 AL 328 (1st)

            Range Factor/Game as 3B
            1901 AL 3.85 (1st)
            1903 AL 3.37 (1st)

            Fielding % as 3B
            1902 AL .954 (1st)
            1903 AL .952 (1st)

            Collins was a player/manager for the Boston Americans.
            He lead them to their 1st WS championship in 1903 and to a 2nd pennant in 1904, although no WS was played in '04.
            Code:
                                                                                                                  
            Rk   Year Age               Tm          Lg   G   W   L W-L%                                     Finish
            1    1901  31 Boston Americans          AL 138  79  57 .581      2                      Player/Manager
            2    1902  32 Boston Americans          AL 138  77  60 .562      3                      Player/Manager
            3    1903  33 Boston Americans          AL 141  91  47 .659      1            WS Champs Player/Manager
            4    1904  34 Boston Americans          AL 157  95  59 .617      1           AL Pennant Player/Manager
            5    1905  35 Boston Americans          AL 153  78  74 .513      4                      Player/Manager
            6    1906  36 Boston Americans AL 1st of 2 115  35  79 .307      8                      Player/Manager
                                               6 years 842 455 376 .548    3.2 2 Pennants and 1 World Series Title
            Selected to HOF in 1945 by Old Timers Committee. He was the first 3B inducted as a 3B.

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            • #21
              Mike Greenwell
              .303/.368/.463
              121 OPS+
              23.7 WAR

              All-Star Games
              1988 *
              1989 *

              Silver Sluggers
              1988 AL (OF)

              Assists as LF
              1989 AL 11 (1st)
              1990 AL 12 (1st)
              1995 AL 11 (1st)

              Greenwell batted .300+ in 5 of his full seasons (100+ games)
              Code:
                                                  
              Rk                     Yrs From   To
              1         Ted Williams  14 1939 1960
              2           Wade Boggs  10 1982 1991
              3             Jim Rice   7 1975 1986
              4         Tris Speaker   7 1909 1915
              5    Nomar Garciaparra   6 1997 2003
              6     Carl Yastrzemski   6 1963 1974
              7         Johnny Pesky   6 1942 1951
              8        Manny Ramirez   5 2001 2006
              9            Mo Vaughn   5 1994 1998
              10      Mike Greenwell   5 1987 1993
              11        Pete Runnels   5 1958 1962
              12       Billy Goodman   5 1948 1954

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              • #22
                Rick Burleson
                Burleson was a very good defensive SS who was also one of the better hitting SSs of his day.
                .274/.326/.362

                All-Star Games
                1977 (SS)
                1978
                1979 *

                Gold Gloves
                1979 AL (SS)

                Putouts as SS
                1977 AL 285 (1st)
                1980 AL 301 (1st)

                Assists as SS
                1980 AL 528 (1st)

                Range Factor/Game as SS
                1980 AL 5.35 (1st)

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                • #23
                  George Scott
                  1B with pretty good power, but also known as a good gloveman at 1B.

                  .257/.326/.421
                  154 HRs

                  All-Star Games
                  1966 (1B)
                  1977 *

                  Gold Gloves
                  1967 AL (1B)
                  1968 AL (1B)
                  1971 AL (1B)

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                  • #24
                    Jim Piersall
                    Piersall was known for his great defensive abilities in the OF, mostly at CF.
                    He was probably the 2nd best defensive Red Sox all-time.
                    WAR Runs Fielding
                    Code:
                                                               
                    Rk             Player Rfield From   To    G
                    1    Carl Yastrzemski    183 1961 1983 3308
                    2        Jim Piersall    118 1950 1958  931
                    3          Wade Boggs     84 1982 1992 1625
                    4       John Valentin     79 1992 2001  991
                    5       Everett Scott     74 1914 1921 1096
                    WAR Runs Fielding also suggest he might have been the best defensive OFer ever through the 1950s. (He still ranks high, tied in 5th with Barry Bonds all-time)
                    Code:
                                                                   
                    Rk           Player Rfield From   To   Age    G
                    1      Jim Piersall    135 1950 1959 20-29 1031
                    2    Richie Ashburn     94 1948 1959 21-32 1794
                    3      Tris Speaker     92 1907 1928 19-40 2790
                    4       Fred Clarke     91 1894 1915 21-42 2246
                    5         Al Kaline     89 1953 1959 18-24  904
                    .273/.340/.397
                    18.0 WAR

                    All-Star Games
                    1954 *
                    1956 *

                    Gold Gloves
                    1958 AL (CF)

                    Defensive WAR
                    1955 AL 2.7 (1st)
                    1956 AL 3.2 (1st)

                    Doubles
                    1956 AL 40 (1st)

                    Assists as CF
                    1957 AL 12 (1st)

                    Putouts as RF
                    1953 AL 349 (1st)

                    Total Zone Runs as CF
                    1955 AL 25 (1st)
                    1956 AL 31 (1st)
                    1958 AL 14 (1st)

                    Total Zone Runs as OF
                    1953 AL 20 (1st)
                    1955 AL 25 (1st)
                    1956 AL 31 (1st)
                    Last edited by dgarza; 06-13-2012, 04:54 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jjpm74 View Post
                      Besides for the Red Sox, Somers is also someone to consider with the Cleveland Indians. Somers' finances are why the American League succeeded in the early years.
                      Except for the fact the Indians' second chance election has come and gone.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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                      • #26
                        Ellis Burks
                        .280/.341/.455
                        115 OPS+

                        All-Star Games
                        1990

                        Gold Gloves
                        1990 AL (OF)

                        Silver Sluggers
                        1990 AL (OF)

                        Assists as CF
                        1987 AL 15 (1st)

                        Fielding % as CF
                        1990 AL .994 (1st)

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                        • #27
                          Bob Stanley
                          115-97 = .542
                          132 Saves
                          118 ERA+
                          21.6 pWAR

                          Led League in ERA+ in 1982 completely as a relief pitcher

                          Most Games All Time Red Sox
                          2nd in Save

                          3-time led the Major Leagues in relief innings (1981–83)
                          Set an American League record in relief innings (168.1, 1982)

                          All-Star Games
                          1979 *
                          1983 *

                          Red Sox Hall of Fame in 2000

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                          • #28
                            Frank Sullivan
                            In the military 1951-52

                            90-80 = .529
                            116 ERA+
                            21.6 pWAR

                            All-Star Games
                            1955 *
                            1956

                            One of the best AL pitchers in the 50s
                            Code:
                                                              
                            Rk           Player  WAR From   To
                            1      Billy Pierce 41.4 1950 1959
                            2        Early Wynn 34.6 1950 1959
                            3        Ned Garver 26.1 1950 1959
                            4       Whitey Ford 24.9 1950 1959
                            5       Mike Garcia 24.2 1950 1959
                            6         Bob Lemon 23.2 1950 1958
                            7    Frank Sullivan 21.5 1953 1959
                            8      Bobby Shantz 21.0 1950 1959
                            9      Ellis Kinder 20.5 1950 1957
                            10    Virgil Trucks 19.0 1950 1958
                            WAR for Pitchers
                            1957 AL 6.1 (1st)

                            Walks & Hits per IP
                            1957 AL 1.055 (1st)

                            Wins
                            1955 AL 18 (1st)

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                            • #29
                              Billy Goodman
                              A versatile player, playing all over the IF and some OF

                              Won batting crown in 1950

                              .306/.386/.387
                              20.2 WAR

                              All-Star Games
                              1949 *
                              1953 (2B)

                              11th is Boston AVG (500 games)
                              13th in OBP (500 games)

                              Had one of the highest Batting Averages in the AL for the decade 1947-1956
                              Code:
                                                                    
                              Rk          Player   BA    G From   To
                              1     Ted Williams .344 1079 1947 1956
                              2    Dale Mitchell .311 1097 1947 1956
                              3    Billy Goodman .306 1159 1947 1956
                              4     Johnny Pesky .297  970 1947 1954
                              5       Yogi Berra .294 1333 1947 1956
                              Boston Red Sox Hall of Fame in November 2004.
                              Last edited by dgarza; 06-13-2012, 08:29 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Rick Ferrell
                                Ferrell was most productive during his Boston years

                                .302/.394/.410
                                103 OPS+

                                His OBP is tied 8th All Time Red Sox
                                Code:
                                                                      
                                Rk          Player  OBP    G From   To
                                1     Ted Williams .482 2292 1939 1960
                                2      Jimmie Foxx .429  887 1936 1942
                                3       Wade Boggs .428 1625 1982 1992
                                4     Tris Speaker .414 1065 1907 1915
                                5    Manny Ramirez .411 1083 2001 2008
                                6     Pete Runnels .408  732 1958 1962
                                7     Johnny Pesky .401 1029 1942 1952
                                8        Mo Vaughn .394 1046 1991 1998
                                9       Joe Cronin .394 1134 1935 1945
                                10    Rick Ferrell .394  522 1933 1937

                                All-Star Games
                                1933 (C)
                                1934
                                1935
                                1936 (C)

                                Putouts as C
                                1934 AL 531 (1st)
                                1936 AL 556 (1st)

                                Assists as C
                                1933 AL 92 (1st)

                                Caught Stealing as C
                                1933 AL 55 (1st)
                                1935 AL 50 (1st)

                                Caught Stealing %
                                1935 AL 58.8 (1st)

                                Fielding % as C
                                1934 AL .990 (1st)

                                Selected to HOF in 1984 by Veteran's Committee

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