The MLB FanCave posted a picture of Thome coming into home plate after hitting his 13th walk off home run, which now puts him at #1 all-time in walk off HRs, and asked if you think Jim Thome is a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer. To my surprise, I noticed that a lot of people said no. In turn, I think a lot of people are crazy. What do you think, yes or no, and why or why not?
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Is Jim Thome a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer?
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We don't know who he'll be on the ballot with, and that could have a real impact on his first ballot chances. I'd suspect it'll be crowded, and that won't help him. Absent any scandal, he'll make it, though.Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
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Originally posted by Jobu Voodoo View PostThe MLB FanCave posted a picture of Thome coming into home plate after hitting his 13th walk off home run, which now puts him at #1 all-time in walk off HRs, and asked if you think Jim Thome is a 1st Ballot Hall of Famer. To my surprise, I noticed that a lot of people said no. In turn, I think a lot of people are crazy. What do you think, yes or no, and why or why not?
As good as his HR total is, he was overshadowed by many PED-users throughout his career. It's not his fault, of course; but it happened.
No MVP awards; 5 All-Star appearances in 22 seasons. That's not too overwhelming. I doubt many casual fans know he has 600+ HR.
But yes - he is a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. He won't get 95% of the vote, but he should get 80% on his first try.
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.Last edited by redban; 06-24-2012, 02:49 PM.
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Unless Thome is somehow linked to PED's at some point, which I seriously doubt will happen, I don't see why he shouldn't be a first ballot inductee.
I've never heard any hint of scandal about Thome, I don't think there will be a shadow of suspicion over him, as there seems to be with Bagwell and Piazza.They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.
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Originally posted by ol' aches and pains View PostI don't think there will be a shadow of suspicion over him, as there seems to be with Bagwell and Piazza.
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Originally posted by fenrir View PostWhich is odd, because Thome is/was a big strong guy who had his best years in his 30's. I'm not saying there should be suspicion on him, but I don't see what makes him different than Bagwell and Piazza.46 wins to match last year's total
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There are very few players who would completely surprise me if I heard they did PED's, but Thome is one of them. I suppose anything's possible, but I have never heard anyone accuse him or even suspect him of juicing.They call me Mr. Baseball. Not because of my love for the game; because of all the stitches in my head.
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Thome's 7th on the All Time HRs list? Really??? He has over 600 HRs? Really?
I'll be honest. I had no idea. I was just checking to see how many HRs he had and was thinking to myself, "I wonder if he even has 500 HRs." Then I see he has over 600. I was taken aback.
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As mentioned, when and with whom Thome's on the ballot for the first time will play a role. That said, he's spent much of his career as a DH, so that's a negative. He has a very modest BA, and that still carries some weight. He's very comparable as a hitter to Harmon Killebrew, and Killebrew didn't make it unti his fourth year. Thome MAY make it the first time around, but I think year 2-3 is more likely.
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Originally posted by dgarza View PostThome's 7th on the All Time HRs list? Really??? He has over 600 HRs? Really?
I'll be honest. I had no idea. I was just checking to see how many HRs he had and was thinking to myself, "I wonder if he even has 500 HRs." Then I see he has over 600. I was taken aback.
Big Ron, Thome's BA is .277 career. His OBP is .403. That is hardly modest. Killebrew's BA was .256 and his OBP is .376. That's not even close.
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Killebrew OPS+ = 143
Thome OPS+ = 147
Killebrew has more accolades though.
He won an MVP, and had 5 other years with a top 5 finish. Also 6 HR titles and 11 All-Star games.
Why did he get in on his 4th try? He should have been in 1st ballot.
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Originally posted by redban View PostKillebrew OPS+ = 143
Thome OPS+ = 147
Killebrew has more accolades though.
He won an MVP, and had 5 other years with a top 5 finish. Also 6 HR titles and 11 All-Star games.
Why did he get in on his 4th try? He should have been in 1st ballot.
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Originally posted by BigRon View PostThe answer is obvious."(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack
"I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)
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