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  • AIR HOF project, 2nd election (1937)

    This is the first election of the AIR (Actual Induction Rate) HOF. We're going to elect folks at the pace Cooperstown did, which means 3 players and 5 contributors for 1937.

    This election will be open until Saturday October 6 at 7 am EDT.


    The link to the prior election in this project is: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...ion-%281936%29
    Last edited by jalbright; 10-06-2012, 08:50 AM.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

  • #2
    The Rules:

    1) BBF users in good standing may participate, provided they have not been banned from multiple projects in this forum. Anyone who has been told his or her votes will not count in more than one project in this forum will not have his or her vote counted unless he or she applies to the project manager for the right to vote and gets that request granted. However, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance. Should there be unannounced multiple votes from the same IP, I will investigate the circumstances, and all user names involved may be barred from this project as a result, and all but one of the multiple usernames permanently banned from the site. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same. I have had to deal with a single user manipulating a project with multiple votes, and I don't intend to repeat the experience.

    2) Elections will require a eight (8) voter quorum. If we do not get ten voters and there are candidate(s) who would be elected no matter what the voters needed to make a quorum did, those candidate(s) will be inducted. Otherwise, no one will be inducted. Further, if we fail to elect a full complement of candidates for the ballot in question in two of any four consecutive elections, the portion(s) of the project failing to meet the election requirement will end. If, for instance, we're doing fine on the player end but not the contributor end, I would drop the contributor end under this rule.

    3) We will start in 1936, just as Cooperstown did. Each year Cooperstown elected a player, we will vote for our top 15 players ranked #1 through 15, Points will be awarded on the basis of 21 minus the rank, so first will be worth 20 ponts, 2d 19 points and so on down to 6 pts for 15th. We will induct the same number of players the Hall did in that year. Some years, the Hall inducted no one, and those years, we will not either. If a voter does not number his selections, I will try to get him/her to do so. If they do not do so before the end of the election period, I may in my sole discretion invalidate the ballot. I have included this provision in order to ease the process of recording the votes. On another point, I know, the 1936 backlog is huge--but that was a historical issue they couldn't avoid, so neither will we.

    4) We will also have a contributor ballot, and will elect as many as were inducted that year. Contributors will be ranked 1 through6, with points awarded 9-8-7-6-5-4. Voters may choose to participate in either one of the ballots or both. There will be many years without a contributor ballot, as many years no contributors were inducted.

    5) It is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists.

    6) You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the voting is open. However, if you change your ballot, you've got to notify me (jalbright) by PM or by a new post in the voting thread, or the changes likely will not be registered.

    7) Players will become eligible at the earliest of the following three criteria:
    a) the year of death plus two will be used if that yields an earlier date;
    b) the first missed season after the player reaches age 40; and
    c) five years after the player’s career ended.
    Please note that the Negro Leagues will be considered ended in 1952 for purposes of this rule.

    8) Contributors become eligible at age 65 or in the year of death plus two. whichever comes first.

    9) Each election will run for approximately two weeks unless expressly altered by the project manager, contributors and players done simultaneously.

    10) No one is excluded from being a candidate, regardless of the league they played in, except those elected in either the contributor or player ballots. At that point, they are removed from further consideration. If there are players who returned to the Negro Leagues or Japan after going to the majors, the departure from the majors will be their career end date for purposes of this project.

    11) The standard for including a player on one's ballot is that the player must in the voter's opinion be among the very best eligible players (preferably the number voted on, but if a voter wishes to support someone they feel is 18th in a 15 person ballot instead of one of the top 15, it's too close for anyone to reasonably object. On the other hand, supporting the 30th best eligible candidate on a 15 person ballot is probably beyond the pale). I reserve the power to invalidate ballots which I do not feel are a reasonably knowledgeable, good faith effort to rank the players. One issue I am quite concerned about is that I do not want to see what clearly appear to be attempts to manipulate the ballot so as to elect a candidate. In isolation, I probably could live with this, but if it became a widely used tactic, the project would devolve into something I have no desire to be associated with. Moreover, I think that this position asks everyone else to cast legitimate votes so that you can manipulate the system to favor your pet candidates. I cannot accept that, as it strikes me as unfair to other voters. For example, you can't expect to favor even a legitimate HOF candidate like Bill Dahlen over Babe Ruth to get Dahlen elected without being asked to provide a reasonable justification for ranking Dahlen over Ruth. If you can provide a reasonable justification in that scenario, the ballot will stand. If not, you will be asked to make a change. I realize voters will sometimes have idiosyncratic choices, and I try to allow for that. However, a clear flouting of a consensus is apt to be met with a request that the ballot be justified pursuant to this rule. Certainly, a reasonable justification does not indicate in essence simply that you want Dahlen elected. Furthermore, if I invalidate multiple ballots by the same individual as failing to meet this rule, that individual will forever lose the right to have his/her ballots counted. Voters are encouraged to consider character, sportsmanship, and compliance with the rules and spirit of baseball in their rankings of players.

    12) I will post lists of eligible players and contributors before each election. If you have a question about the eligibility of a candidate, please ask. I will provide a list of future eligibility dates as well.

    13) My eligibility lists come from all persons in the BBF HOF, BBTF Hall of Merit, and Cooperstown, plus all persons getting a vote in a BBF HOF election in the past year and a half or in a BBWAA election. This is a relatively comprehensive list, and thus I must request that if you want another candidate included, you provide some justification for why said candidate is worthy of getting a vote in this project. The main area I think this might come into play is if a voter supports a person who was eligible for the final selections from the recent pre WWII or Negro League committees but not on my master list. That fact alone would serve as ample justification for putting said candidate on the list. We may learn more about Cuban ball or what have you and thus include others after a case is made for them, however. The contributor list is undoubtedly not as comprehensive, and this fact will be taken into consideration. For players, any request for a multiple time all-star in the all-star era will be approved. Players of that quality will generally be approved without much ado. However, when a player lacks that kind of qualification, I will likely ask for you to get a second from among our voters via a post in the current election thread. When in doubt, I will also require a second for suggested contributors. If a second is forthcoming, the player will be added. If not, the request will be rejected. I want to limit requests and seconds to players or contributors you actually might vote for.

    14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant. Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.

    15) Any ballot with two (2) or more spots unfilled with eligible candidates is invalid. In the event of the listing of ineligible names, I will try to notify the voter so that he/she can correct the ballot before the end of the voting period. If the change is made timely, it will count. If not, and there are two or more invalid names, the ballot will not be considered valid. If there is only one, the ineligible name will be stricken and all names after it on the affected ballot will be moved up one spot.

    16) Any players listed beyond the 15th place for any ballot will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.

    17) Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. I reserve the right to invalidate ballots for use of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, if do not invalidate the ballot, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.

    18) For any ties between candidates straddling the in/out line of selections, the first tiebreaker is the number of candidates. If there Is still a tie for first, the next consideration is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 2-1-0 or whatever is appropriate for the number of players tied system. If a voter does not list a candidate, he receives zero points in the tiebreaker procedure. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If it is still tied after that, those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, we will induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.

    19) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.
    Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
    Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
    A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

    Comment


    • #3
      Here's the new class of players who will become eligible in 1937:

      Blades Ray
      Boley Joe
      Leach Freddy
      Miller Bing
      O'Farrell Bob
      Oms Alejandro
      Perkins Cy
      Pruett Hub
      Rommel Eddie
      Ruel Muddy
      Ruth Babe
      Sherdel Bill
      No doubt the two big names are Ruth (who will be #1 on my and probably most other ballots) and Oms.

      Here's the first contributor class, with those in the HOF, BBF HOF, Hall of Merit, Progressive Project Hall, BOB, and single ballot HOF bolded:
      Code:
      Abe	Iso
      Adams	Doc
      Anson	Cap
      Bancroft	Frank
      Barrow	Ed
      Bulkely	Morgan
      Cartwright	Alexander
      Chadwick	Harry
      Chance	Frank
      Clarke	Fred
      Commiskey	Charlie
      Conlan	Charles
      Connolly	Tom
      Creighton	Jim
      Cummings	Candy
      Dreyfuss	Barney
      Dunn	Jack
      Elias	Al Munro
      Foster	Rube
      Gleason	Kid
      Griffith	Clark
      Hanlon	Ned
      Huggins	Miller
      Hulbert	William
      Johnson	Ban
      Landis	Kenesaw
      Lardner	Ring
      Leavitt, Jr.	Charles W.
      Mack	Connie
      McCarthy	Tommy
      McGraw	John
      Mendez	Jose
      Moran	Pat
      Mutrie	Jim
      Osborn	Frank
      Reach	A. J.
      Richter	Francis
      Robinson	Wilbert
      Selee	Frank
      Shibe	Ben
      Spalding	Al
      Taylor	C. I.
      Thayer	Ernest
      Ward	John M.
      Warfield	Frank
      White	Sol
      Wilson	Horace
      Wright	George
      Wright	Harry
      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

      Comment


      • #4
        We only had players considered last round. The results for the holdovers:

        The official results:
        Code:
        144	Collins , Eddie
        126	LaJoie , Nap
        122	Alexander , Pete
        108	Anson , Cap
        105	Mathewson , Christy
        103	Lloyd , Pop
        86	Brouthers , Dan
        68	Williams , Smoky Joe
        62	Nichols , Kid
        37	Connor , Roger
        36	Delahanty , Ed 
        21	Crawford , Sam
        14	Kelly , King
        12	Barnes , Ross
        10	O'Rourke , Jim
        8	Heilmann, Harry
        8	Sisler, George
        7	Wheat , Zack
        Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
        Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
        A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

        Comment


        • #5
          Alphabetical list of those already inducted

          Players
          Ty Cobb
          Walter Johnson
          Tris Speaker
          Honus Wagner
          Cy Young

          Contributors
          Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
          Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
          A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

          Comment


          • #6
            Inductions by year

            Players

            1936: Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Cy Young

            Contributor
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

            Comment


            • #7
              Candidates eligible for election

              Players

              Code:
              Adams	Babe
              Adams	Sparky
              Alexander	Pete
              Altrock	Nick
              Anson	Cap
              Archer	Jimmy
              Austin	Jimmy
              Baker	Frank
              Bancroft	Dave
              Barnes	Ross
              Barry	Jack
              Battin	Joe
              Beaumont	Ginger
              Beckley	Jake
              Bender	Chief
              Bennett	Charlie
              Bergen	Marty
              Bigbee	Carson
              Blades	Ray
              Bodie	Ping
              Boley	Joe
              Bond	Tommy
              Bradley	Bill
              Breitenstein	Ted
              Bresnahan	Roger
              Brouthers	Dan
              Brown	Mordecai
              Browning	Pete
              Burkett	Jesse
              Burns	George
              Bush	Donie
              Bush 	Joe
              Cadore	Leon
              Camnitz	Howie
              Carey	Max
              Carrigan	Bill
              Caruthers	Bob 
              Chance	Frank
              Chapman	Ray
              Chase	Hal
              Chesbro	Jack
              Childs	Cupid
              Cicotte	Eddie
              Clarke	Fred
              Clarkson	John 
              Coakley	Andy
              Collins	Eddie
              Collins	Jimmy
              Collins	Shano
              Connor	Roger
              Conroy	Wid
              Coombs	Jack
              Cooper	Wilbur
              Coveleski	Stan
              Crandall	Doc
              Cravath	Gavvy
              Crawford	Sam
              Creighton	Jim
              Criger	Lou
              Cross	Lave
              Cruise	Walt
              Cummings	Candy
              Dahlen	Bill
              Daubert	Jake
              Davis	George
              Davis	Harry
              Delahanty	Ed 
              Dinneen	Bill
              Doak	Bill
              Donlin	Mike
              Donovan	Bill
              Dooin	Red
              Doyle	Jack 
              Doyle	Larry
              Duffy	Hugh
              Dugan	Joe
              Dunlap	Fred
              Ehmke	Howard
              Elberfeld	Kid
              Ens	Jewel
              Evers	Johnny
              Ewing	Buck
              Faber	Red
              Falkenberg	Cy
              Fletcher	Art
              Flick	Elmer
              Foster	Eddie
              Foster	Rube
              Fraser	Chick
              Galvin	Pud
              Glasscock	Jack
              Gleason	Kid
              Gonzalez	Mike
              Gore	George
              Gowdy	Hank
              Grant	Eddie
              Grant	Frank
              Griffith	Clark
              Grimes	Burleigh
              Groh	Heinie
              Hahn	Noodles
              Hamilton	Billy
              Hargrave	Bubbles
              Harris	Bucky
              Heilmann	Harry
              Herzog	Buck 
              Hill	Pete
              Hinchman	Bill
              Hines	Paul
              Hooper	Harry
              Hoy	Dummy
              Huggins	Miller
              Irwin	Charlie
              Jackson	Joe
              Jennings	Hughie
              Johnson	Home Run
              Jones	Charley
              Jones	Fielder
              Jones	Sam P.
              Jordan	Tim
              Joss	Addie
              Judge	Joe
              Keefe	Tim
              Keeler	Willie
              Kelley	Joe
              Kelly	King
              Kerr	Dickie
              Killefer	Bill
              Kilroy	Matt
              Kling	Johnny
              Knabe	Otto
              Kremer	Ray
              LaJoie	Nap
              Lange	Bill
              Larkin	Henry
              Latham	Arlie
              Leach	Tommy
              Leach	Freddy
              Leever	Sam
              Lewis	Duffy
              Lloyd	Pop
              Lobert	Hans
              Long	Herman
              Lowe	Bobby
              Luque	Dolf
              Lyons	Denny
              Magee	Sherry
              Maranville	Rabbit
              Marquard	Rube
              Mathews	Bobby
              Mathewson	Christy
              Mays	Carl
              McAleer	Jimmy
              McCarthy	Tommy
              McCormick	Jim
              McGinnity	Joe
              McGowan	Bill
              McGraw	John
              McInnis	Stuffy
              McLean	Larry
              McPhee	Bid
              McVey	Cal
              Meadows	Lee
              Mendez	Jose
              Meusel	Bob
              Milan	Clyde
              Miller	Dots
              Miller	Hack
              Miller	Bing
              Moore	Dobie
              Moran	Pat
              Mostil	Johnny
              Mullane	Tony
              Murphy	Danny
              Murray	Red
              Nehf	Art
              Nichols	Kid
              Oeschger	Joe
              O'Farrell	Bob
              O'Leary	Charlie
              Oms	Alejandro
              O'Neill	Tip
              O'Neill	Steve
              O'Rourke	Jim
              Orr	Dave
              Pabor	Charlie
              Paskert	Dode
              Pearce	Dickey
              Peckinpaugh	Roger
              Peitz	Heinie
              Pennock	Herb
              Perdue	Hub
              Perkins	Cy
              Phillippe	Deacon 
              Pike	Lip
              Pipp	Wally
              Plank	Eddie
              Poles	Spotswood
              Pruett	Hub
              Quinn	Jack
              Radbourn	Charlie
              Raymond	Bugs
              Remsen	Jack
              Rice	Sam
              Richardson	Hardy
              Ring	Jimmy
              Ritchey	Claude
              Rixey	Eppa
              Robertson	Dave
              Rommel	Eddie
              Roush	Edd 
              Rucker	Nap
              Rudolph	Dick
              Ruel	Muddy
              Rusie	Amos
              Ruth	Babe
              Ryan 	Jimmy
              Santop	Louis
              Schacht	Al
              Schaefer	Germany
              Schalk	Ray
              Schang	Wally
              Schreckengost	Ossie
              Schulte	Frank
              Scott	Everett
              Scott	Jack
              Severeid	Hank
              Seymour	Cy
              Sheckard	Jimmy
              Sherdel	Bill
              Shocker	Urban
              Sisler	George
              Smith	Earl
              Smith	Sherry
              Sparks	Tully
              Stahl	Jake
              Start	Joe
              Steinfeldt	Harry
              Stovey	Harry
              Street	Gabby
              Sutton	Ezra
              Sweeney	Bill
              Tannehill	Jesse
              Tenney	Fred
              Thomas	Ira
              Thompson	Sam
              Tiernan	Mike
              Tinker	Joe
              Toney	Fred
              Torriente	Cristobal
              Turner	Terry
              Van Haltren	George
              Vance	Dazzy
              Veach	Bobby
              Waddell	Rube
              Wallace	Bobby
              Walsh	Ed
              Wambsganss	Bill
              Ward	John M.
              Warfield	Frank
              Welch	Mickey
              Wheat	Zack
              White	Deacon 
              White	Sol
              White	Will 
              Williams	Cy
              Williams	Ken
              Williams	Smoky Joe
              Williamson	Ned
              Willis	Vic
              Witt	Whitey
              Wood	Joe
              Wright	George
              Yerkes	Steve
              Youngs	Ross
              Zimmer	Chief
              Contributors

              Code:
              Abe	Iso
              Adams	Doc
              Anson	Cap
              Bancroft	Frank
              Barrow	Ed
              Bulkely	Morgan
              Cartwright	Alexander
              Chadwick	Harry
              Chance	Frank
              Clarke	Fred
              Commiskey	Charlie
              Conlan	Charles
              Connolly	Tom
              Creighton	Jim
              Cummings	Candy
              Dreyfuss	Barney
              Dunn	Jack
              Elias	Al Munro
              Foster	Rube
              Gleason	Kid
              Griffith	Clark
              Hanlon	Ned
              Huggins	Miller
              Hulbert	William
              Johnson	Ban
              Landis	Kenesaw
              Lardner	Ring
              Leavitt, Jr.	Charles W.
              Mack	Connie
              McCarthy	Tommy
              McGraw	John
              Mendez	Jose
              Moran	Pat
              Mutrie	Jim
              Osborn	Frank
              Reach	A. J.
              Richter	Francis
              Robinson	Wilbert
              Selee	Frank
              Shibe	Ben
              Spalding	Al
              Taylor	C. I.
              Thayer	Ernest
              Ward	John M.
              Warfield	Frank
              White	Sol
              Wilson	Horace
              Wright	George
              Wright	Harry
              Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
              Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
              A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

              Comment


              • #8
                My ballot:

                Players:
                1. Babe Ruth
                2. Eddie Collins
                3. Smoky Joe Williams
                4. Nap LaJoie
                5. Kid Nichols
                6. Pete Alexander
                7. Pop Lloyd
                8. Roger Connor
                9. Dan Brouthers
                10. Cap Anson
                11. Christy Mathewson
                12. Bob Caruthers
                13. Ed Delahanty
                14. George Davis
                15. Billy Hamilton

                Contributors
                1. John McGraw
                2. Connie Mack
                3. Rube Foster
                4. Harry Wright
                5. Harry Chadwick
                6. William Hulbert
                Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                Comment


                • #9
                  just bumping this thread.
                  Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                  Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                  A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Players:

                    1. Babe Ruth
                    2. Eddie Collins
                    3. Smokey Joe Williams
                    4. King Kelly
                    5. Pop Lloyd
                    6. Nap Lajoie
                    7. Christy Mathewson
                    8. Jim O'Rourke
                    9. Dan Brouthers
                    10. George Sisler
                    11. Zach Wheat
                    12. Cap Anson
                    13. Ed Delahanty
                    14. Billy Hamilton
                    15. Ross Barnes

                    Contributors:

                    1. John McGraw
                    2. Harry Wright
                    3. Connie Mack
                    4. Jim Creighton
                    5. Al Spalding
                    6. William Hulbert

                    I would have liked to see Collins over Speaker, but Speaker's omission from my ballot last round was an oversight on my part.
                    Last edited by jjpm74; 09-24-2012, 02:30 PM.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I'm bumping this because we're almost a week in, and only two people (and I'm one) have voted thus far. I realize I started a day late and Yom Kippur was yesterday, but this isn't a positive development.
                      Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
                      Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
                      A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Players

                        1. Babe Ruth
                        2. Eddie Collins
                        3. Pete Alexander
                        4. Christy Mathewson
                        5. Pop Lloyd
                        6. Nap Lajoie
                        7. Cap Anson
                        8. Kid Nichols
                        9. Ed Delahanty
                        10. Dan Brouthers
                        11. Roger Connor
                        12. Smokey Joe Williams
                        13. Sam Crawford
                        14. George Davis
                        15. George Sisler

                        Contributors

                        1. John McGraw
                        2. Connie Mack
                        3. Harry Wright
                        4. Rube Foster
                        5. William Hulbert
                        6. Henry Chadwick
                        Last edited by TheMendozaLine; 10-01-2012, 06:53 AM. Reason: Added contributor

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          1. Babe Ruth
                          2. Eddie Collins
                          3. Nap Lajoie
                          4. Pete Alexander
                          5. Pop Lloyd
                          6. Christy Mathewson
                          7. Dan Brouthers
                          8. Roger Connor
                          9. Cap Anson
                          10. Kid Nichols
                          11. Smokey Joe Williams
                          12. Ed Delahanty
                          13. George Davis
                          14. Billy Hamilton
                          15. Home Run Baker

                          Contributors

                          1. Henry Chadwick
                          2. Alexander Cartwright
                          3. Rube Foster
                          4. John McGraw
                          5. Connie Mack
                          6. Harry Wright

                          Will have the contributor list in later.
                          Last edited by AstrosFan; 09-29-2012, 09:48 AM.
                          "Any pitcher who throws at a batter and deliberately tries to hit him is a communist."

                          - Alvin Dark

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            1 Babe Ruth
                            2 Eddie Collins
                            3 Nap Lajoie
                            4 Pete Alexander
                            5 Pop Lloyd
                            6 Cap Anson
                            7 Christy Mathewson
                            8 Dan Brouthers
                            9 Ed Delahanty
                            10 Kid Nichols
                            11 Smoky Joe Williams
                            12 Sam Crawford
                            13 Roger Connor
                            14 Buck Ewing
                            15 Frank Baker

                            Contributors:
                            1 Alexander Cartwright
                            2 John McGraw
                            3 Al Spalding
                            4 Connie Mack
                            5 Harry Wright
                            6 Henry Chadwick
                            Last edited by Freakshow; 09-28-2012, 08:32 PM.
                            Si quaeris peninsulam amoenam, circumspice.

                            Comprehensive Reform for the Veterans Committee -- Fixing the Hall continued.

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                              Players
                              1. Babe Ruth
                              2. Eddie Collins
                              3. Nap Lajoie
                              4. Pete Alexander
                              5. Christy Mathewson
                              6. Pop Lloyd
                              7. Cap Anson
                              8. Dan Brouthers
                              9. Sam Crawford
                              10. Smokey Joe Williams
                              11. Ed Delahanty
                              12. Kid Nichols
                              13. Roger Connor
                              14. George Sisler
                              15. Billy Hamilton

                              Contributors

                              1. Henry Chadwick
                              2. Alexander Cartwright
                              3. John McGraw
                              4. Connie Mack
                              5. Al Spalding
                              6. Rube Foster
                              Dave Bill Tom George Mark Bob Ernie Soupy Dick Alex Sparky
                              Joe Gary MCA Emanuel Sonny Dave Earl Stan
                              Jonathan Neil Roger Anthony Ray Thomas Art Don
                              Gates Philip John Warrior Rik Casey Tony Horace
                              Robin Bill Ernie JEDI

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