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    Role Players' Hall of Fame

    We have arguments about whether career DH's or closers do enough to qualify for the hall, but what about the specialists who do something supremely well, but in a small or peripheral role: set-up men, pinch hitters, back-up catchers. . . . . Who would be in the Role Players' Hall of Fame if we had one?

    My nominee for utility infielder is a little unusual, because he was a regular, but Gil McDougald didn't really have a full time position and he was about as good as most anyone who did.
    Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce
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    Jeff Nelson?
    "The first draft of anything is crap." - Ernest Hemingway

    There's no such thing as an ultimate stat.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 1905 Giants View Post
      Jeff Nelson?
      Oooh, that reminds me of a set-up man, a really good one, I hadn't even thought of in this context--Mike Timlin. He was bad-mouthed for letting inherited runners score, but he had some great seasons.
      Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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      • #4
        Set-up / middle relief could include Jesse Orosco and Tom Gordon.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by dgarza View Post
          Set-up / middle relief could include Jesse Orosco and Tom Gordon.
          Jesse is certainly an inner circle loogie. Gordon was great, but for long relief, what about Bob Stanley?
          Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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          • #6
            Three others in the Gil McDougald mold: Jim Gilliam, Dick McAuliffe, and Travis Fryman
            Seen on a bumper sticker: If only closed minds came with closed mouths.
            Some minds are like concrete--thoroughly mixed up and permanently set.
            A Lincoln: I don't think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.

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            • #7
              The first two people who come to mind are Jose Oquendo and Smoky Burgess. Oquendo once played all 9 positions in a single game and was a very versatile player who could play any position. Burgess was a great bat off the bench and an excellent backup catcher to have around.

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              • #8
                Sammy "Babe Ruth's Legs" Byrd

                Charlie "Most World Series Checks Per At Bat?" Silvera

                Mickey "And at Shortstop ... " Stanley

                And of course Herb Washington

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                • #9
                  I guess Pete Runnels won't work since he wasn't really a role player, but he is a good example of someone who could hit, but never found a position. Had he played later, he might have had a more Edgar Martinez-type career.

                  Gilliam is probably the ultimate 'put him anywhere you need him' player, as well as the very definition of a great #2 hitter.

                  Also, Rusty Staub, Dusty Rhodes and Manny Mota (plus the aforementioned Burgess) for PH duties.

                  Another reliever with longevity as his most impressive stat- Kent Tekulve.
                  Found in a fortune cookie On Thursday, August 18th, 2005: "Hard words break no bones, Kind words butter no parsnips."

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                  • #10
                    Darren Oliver? He's been putting up some pretty good numbers lately.
                    "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                    "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                    • #11
                      We just had a couple of threads with Elmer Valo. I really don't know why he wasn't full time. Platoon issues?

                      Somehow that makes me think of Lee Lacy, who you'd think would be good enough to play regularly somewhere.

                      Bill James said that Lee Lacy might become the Myril Hoag of his generation. Does anyone have any idea what that means? I'm baffled.
                      Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
                        Another reliever with longevity as his most impressive stat- Kent Tekulve.
                        Well, let's be fair. He was just born 100 years too late for his skill set. (Actually, I think he's very underrated, Quiz already holding down the no-respect underhand delivery all star slot.
                        Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by toomanyhatz View Post
                          Another reliever with longevity as his most impressive stat- Kent Tekulve.
                          Well, let's be fair. He was just born 100 years too late for his skill set. (Actually, I think he's very underrated, Quiz already holding down the no-respect underhand delivery all star slot.)
                          Indeed the first step toward finding out is to acknowledge you do not satisfactorily know already; so that no blight can so surely arrest all intellectual growth as the blight of cocksureness.--CS Peirce

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                          • #14
                            I was just looking at Tekulves career and if I had to pick between him and Bruce Sutter, I would probably choose Tekulve.
                            "(Shoeless Joe Jackson's fall from grace is one of the real tragedies of baseball. I always thought he was more sinned against than sinning." -- Connie Mack

                            "I have the ultimate respect for Whitesox fans. They were as miserable as the Cubs and Redsox fans ever were but always had the good decency to keep it to themselves. And when they finally won the World Series, they celebrated without annoying every other fan in the country."--Jim Caple, ESPN (Jan. 12, 2011)

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                            • #15
                              Harvey Kuenn?
                              "Chuckie doesn't take on 2-0. Chuckie's hackin'." - Chuck Carr two days prior to being released by the Milwaukee Brewers

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