AIR HOF project, 4th election (1939)

[jalbright]

This is the fourth election of the AIR (Actual Induction Rate) HOF. We're going to elect folks at the pace Cooperstown did, which means 6 players and 3 contributors for 1939.

This election will be open until Saturday November 3 at 7 am EST.

The link to the prior election is: http://www.baseball-fever.com/showth...10#post2078410

[jalbright]

The Rules:

1) BBF users in good standing may participate, provided they have not been banned from multiple projects in this forum. Anyone who has been told his or her votes will not count in more than one project in this forum will not have his or her vote counted unless he or she applies to the project manager for the right to vote and gets that request granted. However, if there is more than one vote being cast from any one computer or IP, it must be cleared in advance. Should there be unannounced multiple votes from the same IP, I will investigate the circumstances, and all user names involved may be barred from this project as a result, and all but one of the multiple usernames permanently banned from the site. I only anticipate exceptions for family members living in the same home, but I will entertain requests on other bases. Please note that I and the other mods who participate in the project have the capability of determining the IP from which posts come, and I for one intend to monitor same. I have had to deal with a single user manipulating a project with multiple votes, and I don't intend to repeat the experience.

2) Elections will require a six (6) voter quorum. If we do not get ten voters and there are candidate(s) who would be elected no matter what the voters needed to make a quorum did, those candidate(s) will be inducted. Otherwise, no one will be inducted. Further, if we fail to elect a full complement of candidates for the ballot in question in two of any four consecutive elections, the portion(s) of the project failing to meet the election requirement will end. If, for instance, we're doing fine on the player end but not the contributor end, I would drop the contributor end under this rule.

3) We will start in 1936, just as Cooperstown did. Each year Cooperstown elected a player, we will vote for our top 15 players ranked #1 through 15, Points will be awarded on the basis of 21 minus the rank, so first will be worth 20 ponts, 2d 19 points and so on down to 6 pts for 15th. We will induct the same number of players the Hall did in that year. Some years, the Hall inducted no one, and those years, we will not either. If a voter does not number his selections, I will try to get him/her to do so. If they do not do so before the end of the election period, I may in my sole discretion invalidate the ballot. I have included this provision in order to ease the process of recording the votes. On another point, I know, the 1936 backlog is huge--but that was a historical issue they couldn't avoid, so neither will we.

4) We will also have a contributor ballot, and will elect as many as were inducted that year. Contributors will be ranked 1 through6, with points awarded 9-8-7-6-5-4. Voters may choose to participate in either one of the ballots or both. There will be many years without a contributor ballot, as many years no contributors were inducted.

5) It is permissible to vote for a candidate on both the contributor and player lists.

6) You are allowed to change your ballot at any time the voting is open. However, if you change your ballot, you've got to notify me (jalbright) by PM or by a new post in the voting thread, or the changes likely will not be registered.

7) Players will become eligible at the earliest of the following three criteria:
a) the year of death plus two will be used if that yields an earlier date;
b) the first missed season after the player reaches age 40; and
c) five years after the player’s career ended.
Please note that the Negro Leagues will be considered ended in 1952 for purposes of this rule.

8) Contributors become eligible at age 65 or in the year of death plus two. whichever comes first.

9) Each election will run for approximately two weeks unless expressly altered by the project manager, contributors and players done simultaneously.

10) No one is excluded from being a candidate, regardless of the league they played in, except those elected in either the contributor or player ballots. At that point, they are removed from further consideration. If there are players who returned to the Negro Leagues or Japan after going to the majors, the departure from the majors will be their career end date for purposes of this project.

11) The standard for including a player on one's ballot is that the player must in the voter's opinion be among the very best eligible players (preferably the number voted on, but if a voter wishes to support someone they feel is 18th in a 15 person ballot instead of one of the top 15, it's too close for anyone to reasonably object. On the other hand, supporting the 30th best eligible candidate on a 15 person ballot is probably beyond the pale). I reserve the power to invalidate ballots which I do not feel are a reasonably knowledgeable, good faith effort to rank the players. One issue I am quite concerned about is that I do not want to see what clearly appear to be attempts to manipulate the ballot so as to elect a candidate. In isolation, I probably could live with this, but if it became a widely used tactic, the project would devolve into something I have no desire to be associated with. Moreover, I think that this position asks everyone else to cast legitimate votes so that you can manipulate the system to favor your pet candidates. I cannot accept that, as it strikes me as unfair to other voters. For example, you can't expect to favor even a legitimate HOF candidate like Bill Dahlen over Babe Ruth to get Dahlen elected without being asked to provide a reasonable justification for ranking Dahlen over Ruth. If you can provide a reasonable justification in that scenario, the ballot will stand. If not, you will be asked to make a change. I realize voters will sometimes have idiosyncratic choices, and I try to allow for that. However, a clear flouting of a consensus is apt to be met with a request that the ballot be justified pursuant to this rule. Certainly, a reasonable justification does not indicate in essence simply that you want Dahlen elected. Furthermore, if I invalidate multiple ballots by the same individual as failing to meet this rule, that individual will forever lose the right to have his/her ballots counted. Voters are encouraged to consider character, sportsmanship, and compliance with the rules and spirit of baseball in their rankings of players.

12) I will post lists of eligible players and contributors before each election. If you have a question about the eligibility of a candidate, please ask. I will provide a list of future eligibility dates as well.

13) My eligibility lists come from all persons in the BBF HOF, BBTF Hall of Merit, and Cooperstown, plus all persons getting a vote in a BBF HOF election in the past year and a half or in a BBWAA election. This is a relatively comprehensive list, and thus I must request that if you want another candidate included, you provide some justification for why said candidate is worthy of getting a vote in this project. The main area I think this might come into play is if a voter supports a person who was eligible for the final selections from the recent pre WWII or Negro League committees but not on my master list. That fact alone would serve as ample justification for putting said candidate on the list. We may learn more about Cuban ball or what have you and thus include others after a case is made for them, however. The contributor list is undoubtedly not as comprehensive, and this fact will be taken into consideration. For players, any request for a multiple time all-star in the all-star era will be approved. Players of that quality will generally be approved without much ado. However, when a player lacks that kind of qualification, I will likely ask for you to get a second from among our voters via a post in the current election thread. When in doubt, I will also require a second for suggested contributors. If a second is forthcoming, the player will be added. If not, the request will be rejected. I want to limit requests and seconds to players or contributors you actually might vote for.

14) Other than the sportsmanship and character issues, players are to be evaluated solely upon their play. I would prefer that if a player is qualified by his play standing alone that he be elected on that basis. However, a candidate may only be elected either as a contributor or a player, but not both. Contributors are the area where the entire body of work during his career in the sport, including his play, managing, scouting, executive, writing, broadcasting or other work in the sport is relevant. Contributors are to be ranked based on who the voter thinks is most worthy of induction into the Contributor group in this project.

15) Any ballot with two (2) or more spots unfilled with eligible candidates is invalid. In the event of the listing of ineligible names, I will try to notify the voter so that he/she can correct the ballot before the end of the voting period. If the change is made timely, it will count. If not, and there are two or more invalid names, the ballot will not be considered valid. If there is only one, the ineligible name will be stricken and all names after it on the affected ballot will be moved up one spot.

16) Any players listed beyond the 15th place for any ballot will be ignored. If more than one person is listed as tied for the last available place and the ballot is oversize, all names will be dropped, which may lead to the invalidation of the ballot.

17) Ties are not permitted in ballot listings. I reserve the right to invalidate ballots for use of ties in the rankings, be it within a single ballot or over the course of several ballots. If the voter does not correct such a listing voluntarily, except in the case of an oversize ballot tie for the last eligible place, if do not invalidate the ballot, I will choose the placement of the two "tied" candidates, generally preferring the candidate preferred by the other voters.

18) For any ties between candidates straddling the in/out line of selections, the first tiebreaker is the number of candidates. If there Is still a tie for first, the next consideration is the ranking of the candidates by the ballots cast. If there are more than two candidates tied, use a 2-1-0 or whatever is appropriate for the number of players tied system. If a voter does not list a candidate, he receives zero points in the tiebreaker procedure. Once one person separates from the tied group, restart with the remaining candidates until there are only as many candidates as the rules call for being elected. If it is still tied after that, those with the most #1 votes as the next step, then the most #2 votes and so on to see if that breaks the tie. If not, we will induct all candidates who remain tied at that point.

19) One thing we're going to have to be aware of is the timeline in the case of at least a few contributors. Two which jump out at me are Buck O'Neill, 1976, and Branch Rickey, 1946. I intend to eventually vote for both men, but in 1946, Jackie Robinson was still in Montreal. Really, Branch should wait until at least 1947 after Jackie's success in the majors to get credit for that move. If you think Rickey belongs in the top 5 in 1946 without his role in breaking the color line, that's fine--but he shouldn't get credit for that important success until it actually happened. Buck O'Neill did some important things up until 1976, but after that he was in Ken Burns' Baseball and he was instrumental in the establishment of the Negro Leagues Hall of Fame (both occurred in or around 1994). If you think he belongs based on accomplishments before those two things, that's perfectly acceptable, but please don't credit him with them before they actually happened.

[jalbright]

Here's the new class of players who become eligible in 1939:

Elliott Jumbo
Frisch Frankie
Grantham George
Grimm Charlie
Marberry Firpo
McManus Marty
Redding Dick
Rogan Bullet Joe
Stephenson Riggs
Terry Bill
Traynor Pie
Uhle George
Wilson Hack

There's only one contributor to add to the list, Bill Klem

[jalbright]

The official results for the holdover players last election:

120	Lloyd , Pop
115	Mathewson , Christy
113	Alexander , Pete
103	Anson , Cap
101	Williams , Smoky Joe
100	Brouthers , Dan
89	Nichols , Kid
85	Delahanty , Ed 
62	Connor , Roger
50	Hamilton , Billy
42	Davis , George
36	Sisler, George
35	Crawford , Sam
28	Baker , Frank
25	Kelly , King
16	Ewing , Buck
15	O'Rourke , Jim
14	Heilmann, Harry
12	Wheat , Zack
11	Brown , Mordecai
11	Caruthers , Bob 
10	Plank , Eddie
8	Barnes , Ross
7	Clarkson , John 
6	Coveleski , Stan
6	Oms, Alejandro
6	Torriente, Cristobal

The official results for the holdover contributors last election:

42	Hulbert , William
33	Johnson , Ban
21	Adams , Doc
18	Griffith , Clark
11	Creighton , Jim
8	Wright , George

[jalbright]

Alphabetical list of those already inducted

Players
Ty Cobb
Eddie Collins
Rogers Hornsby
Walter Johnson
Nap LaJoie
Babe Ruth
Tris Speaker
Honus Wagner
Cy Young

Contributors
Alexander Cartwright
Harry Chadwick
Rube Foster
Connie Mack
John McGraw
Al Spalding
Harry Wright

[jalbright]

Inductions by year

Players

1936: Ty Cobb, Walter Johnson, Tris Speaker, Honus Wagner, Cy Young
1937: Eddie Collins, Nap LaJoie, Babe Ruth
1938: Rogers Hornsby

Contributor
1937: Alexander Cartwright, Harry Chadwick, Connie Mack, John McGraw, Harry Wright
1938: Rube Foster, Al Spalding

[jalbright]

Candidates eligible for election:

Players

Adams	Babe
Adams	Sparky
Alexander	Pete
Altrock	Nick
Anson	Cap
Archer	Jimmy
Austin	Jimmy
Baker	Frank
Bancroft	Dave
Barnes	Ross
Barry	Jack
Battin	Joe
Beaumont	Ginger
Beckley	Jake
Bender	Chief
Bennett	Charlie
Benton	Larry
Bergen	Marty
Bigbee	Carson
Blades	Ray
Blue	Lu
Bodie	Ping
Boley	Joe
Bond	Tommy
Bradley	Bill
Breitenstein	Ted
Bresnahan	Roger
Brouthers	Dan
Brown	Mordecai
Browning	Pete
Burkett	Jesse
Burns	George
Bush	Donie
Bush 	Joe
Cadore	Leon
Camnitz	Howie
Carey	Max
Carrigan	Bill
Caruthers	Bob 
Chance	Frank
Chapman	Ray
Chase	Hal
Chesbro	Jack
Childs	Cupid
Cicotte	Eddie
Clarke	Fred
Clarkson	John 
Coakley	Andy
Collins	Jimmy
Collins	Shano
Connor	Roger
Conroy	Wid
Coombs	Jack
Cooper	Wilbur
Coveleski	Stan
Crandall	Doc
Cravath	Gavvy
Crawford	Sam
Creighton	Jim
Criger	Lou
Cross	Lave
Cruise	Walt
Cummings	Candy
Dahlen	Bill
Daubert	Jake
Davis	George
Davis	Harry
Delahanty	Ed 
Dinneen	Bill
Doak	Bill
Donlin	Mike
Donovan	Bill
Dooin	Red
Doyle	Jack 
Doyle	Larry
Duffy	Hugh
Dugan	Joe
Dunlap	Fred
Ehmke	Howard
Elberfeld	Kid
Elliott	Jumbo
Ens	Jewel
Evers	Johnny
Ewing	Buck
Faber	Red
Falkenberg	Cy
Fletcher	Art
Flick	Elmer
Fonseca	Lew
Foster	Eddie
Fraser	Chick
Frisch	Frankie
Galvin	Pud
Glasscock	Jack
Gleason	Kid
Gonzalez	Mike
Gore	George
Gowdy	Hank
Grant	Eddie
Grant	Frank
Grantham	George
Griffith	Clark
Grimes	Burleigh
Grimm	Charlie
Groh	Heinie
Hahn	Noodles
Haines	Jesse
Hamilton	Billy
Hargrave	Bubbles
Harris	Bucky
Heilmann	Harry
Herzog	Buck 
Hill	Pete
Hinchman	Bill
Hines	Paul
Hooper	Harry
Hoy	Dummy
Huggins	Miller
Irwin	Charlie
Jackson	Joe
Jennings	Hughie
Johnson	Home Run
Jones	Charley
Jones	Fielder
Jones	Sam P.
Jordan	Tim
Joss	Addie
Judge	Joe
Keefe	Tim
Keeler	Willie
Kelley	Joe
Kelly	King
Kerr	Dickie
Killefer	Bill
Kilroy	Matt
Kling	Johnny
Knabe	Otto
Kremer	Ray
Lange	Bill
Larkin	Henry
Latham	Arlie
Leach	Tommy
Leach	Freddy
Leever	Sam
Lewis	Duffy
Lloyd	Pop
Lobert	Hans
Long	Herman
Lowe	Bobby
Luque	Dolf
Lyons	Denny
Magee	Sherry
Maranville	Rabbit
Marberry	Firpo
Marquard	Rube
Mathews	Bobby
Mathewson	Christy
Mays	Carl
McAleer	Jimmy
McCarthy	Tommy
McCormick	Jim
McGinnity	Joe
McGowan	Bill
McInnis	Stuffy
McLean	Larry
McManus	Marty
McPhee	Bid
McVey	Cal
Meadows	Lee
Mendez	Jose
Meusel	Bob
Milan	Clyde
Miller	Dots
Miller	Hack
Miller	Bing
Moore	Dobie
Moran	Pat
Mostil	Johnny
Mullane	Tony
Murphy	Danny
Murray	Red
Nehf	Art
Nichols	Kid
O'Doul	Lefty
Oeschger	Joe
O'Farrell	Bob
O'Leary	Charlie
Oms	Alejandro
O'Neill	Tip
O'Neill	Steve
O'Rourke	Jim
Orr	Dave
Pabor	Charlie
Paskert	Dode
Pearce	Dickey
Peckinpaugh	Roger
Peitz	Heinie
Pennock	Herb
Perdue	Hub
Perkins	Cy
Phillippe	Deacon 
Pike	Lip
Pipp	Wally
Plank	Eddie
Poles	Spotswood
Pruett	Hub
Quinn	Jack
Radbourn	Charlie
Raymond	Bugs
Redding	Dick
Remsen	Jack
Rice	Sam
Richardson	Hardy
Ring	Jimmy
Ritchey	Claude
Rixey	Eppa
Robertson	Dave
Rogan	Bullet Joe
Rommel	Eddie
Roush	Edd 
Rucker	Nap
Rudolph	Dick
Ruel	Muddy
Rusie	Amos
Ryan 	Jimmy
Santop	Louis
Schacht	Al
Schaefer	Germany
Schalk	Ray
Schang	Wally
Schreckengost	Ossie
Schulte	Frank
Scott	Everett
Scott	Jack
Severeid	Hank
Sewell	Joe
Seymour	Cy
Sheckard	Jimmy
Sherdel	Bill
Shocker	Urban
Sisler	George
Smith	Earl
Smith	Sherry
Sparks	Tully
Stahl	Jake
Start	Joe
Steinfeldt	Harry
Stephenson	Riggs
Stovey	Harry
Street	Gabby
Sutton	Ezra
Sweeney	Bill
Tannehill	Jesse
Tenney	Fred
Terry	Bill
Thomas	Ira
Thompson	Sam
Tiernan	Mike
Tinker	Joe
Toney	Fred
Torriente	Cristobal
Traynor	Pie
Turner	Terry
Uhle	George
Van Haltren	George
Vance	Dazzy
Veach	Bobby
Waddell	Rube
Walberg	Rube
Wallace	Bobby
Walsh	Ed
Wambsganss	Bill
Ward	John M.
Warfield	Frank
Welch	Mickey
Wheat	Zack
White	Deacon 
White	Sol
White	Will 
Williams	Cy
Williams	Ken
Williams	Smoky Joe
Williamson	Ned
Willis	Vic
Wilson	Hack
Witt	Whitey
Wood	Joe
Wright	George
Yerkes	Steve
Youngs	Ross
Zachary	Tom
Zimmer	Chief

Contributors

Abe	Iso
Adams	Doc
Anson	Cap
Bancroft	Frank
Barrow	Ed
Bulkely	Morgan
Chance	Frank
Clarke	Fred
Commiskey	Charlie
Conlan	Charles
Connolly	Tom
Creighton	Jim
Cummings	Candy
Dreyfuss	Barney
Dunn	Jack
Elias	Al Munro
Gleason	Kid
Griffith	Clark
Hanlon	Ned
Huggins	Miller
Hulbert	William
Johnson	Ban
Klem	Bill
Landis	Kenesaw
Lardner	Ring
Leavitt, Jr.	Charles W.
McCarthy	Tommy
Mendez	Jose
Moran	Pat
Mutrie	Jim
Osborn	Frank
Reach	A. J.
Richter	Francis
Robinson	Wilbert
Selee	Frank
Shibe	Ben
Taylor	C. I.
Thayer	Ernest
Ward	John M.
Warfield	Frank
White	Sol
Wilson	Horace
Wright	George

[jalbright]

Players

1. Smoky Joe Williams
2. Kid Nichols
3. Pete Alexander
4. Pop Lloyd
5. Roger Connor
6. Dan Brouthers
7. Cap Anson
8. Christy Mathewson
9. Bob Caruthers
10. Ed Delahanty
11. George Davis
12. Bullet Joe Rogan
13. Billy Hamilton
14. John Clarkson
15. Frankie Frisch

Oms drops off along with the elected Hornsby and they are replaced with newcomers Rogan and Frisch.

Contributors

1. William Hulbert
2. Ban Johnson
3. Doc Adams
4. Jim Creighton
5. Clark Griffith
6. Ed Barrow

[TheMendozaLine]

Players

1. Pete Alexander
2. Christy Mathewson
3. Pop Lloyd
4. Cap Anson
5. Kid Nichols
6. Ed Delahanty
7. Dan Brouthers
8. Roger Connor
9. Smokey Joe Williams
10. Sam Crawford
11. George Davis
12. George Sisler
13. Billy Hamilton
14. Harry Heilmann
15. Frank Baker

Contributors

1. William Hulbert
2. Ban Johnson
3. Doc Adams
4. Clark Griffith
5. George Wright
6. Ed Barrow

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Players
1.) Pete Alexander
2.) Christy Mathewson
3.) Pops Lloyd
4.) Smokey Joe Williams
5.) Cap Anson
6.) Dan Brouthers
7.) Kid Nichols
8.) Three Finger Brown
9.) Roger Connor
10.) John Clarkson
11.) Eddie Plank
12.) Ed Delahanty
13.) Tim Keefe
14.) Frankie Frisch
15.) Billy Hamilton

Contributors
1.) William Hulbert
2.) Ban Johnson
3.) Doc Adams
4.) Clark Griffith
5.) Goerge Wright
6.) Ed Barrow

[jalbright]

Contributors

....
6. TBD (I will have my choice in prior to the deadline)

Understood. Please just either make a post indicating you have updated your ballot or PM me with a heads up that you've done the update to make sure I catch it. That said, the ballot would count the way it is, but with one open spot.

[jjpm74]

Players:

1. Smokey Joe Williams
2. King Kelly
3. Pop Lloyd
4. Christy Mathewson
5. Jim O'Rourke
6. Dan Brouthers
7. George Sisler
8. Frankie Frisch
9. Zach Wheat
10. Cap Anson
11. Ed Delahanty
12. Billy Hamilton
13. Ross Barnes
14. Kid Nichols
15. Frank Baker

Contributors:

1. Jim Creighton
2. William Hulbert
3. Clark Griffith
4. Doc Adams
5. Bill Klem
6. Ban Johnson

[TheMendozaLine]

Jim, Ed Barrow is my 6th choice for contributor.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I'm guessing jjpm forgot Pete Alexander?

[jalbright]

Jim, Ed Barrow is my 6th choice for contributor.

Noted and duly recorded. Thanks.